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Saturday, October 31st 2015, 6:33pm

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dunno if you guys submit your own stuff/suggestions, but it might be worth a shot to use youtube videos as examples of how the game is being played

If you can find a vid that isn't lag-ridden, bring it. It couldn't hurt.

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Quite frankly I'd like to see a relabeling of some threads to see if it's being considered being put in game [possible], has been put in [coming in patch x], or being ignored/won't put in [no]

Are you -sure- you want this? I can envision a future where we get threads or PMs like 'Wailey! why did $person's suggestion get forwarded and not mine? Why did mine get a [no] so fast?' Just exactly as we now get 'why did I get a warning/ban/post removed and $person didn't?'

Also, it's a very meta thread. Suggestions about suggestions...

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Saturday, October 31st 2015, 6:51pm

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dunno if you guys submit your own stuff/suggestions, but it might be worth a shot to use youtube videos as examples of how the game is being played

If you can find a vid that isn't lag-ridden, bring it. It couldn't hurt.

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Quite frankly I'd like to see a relabeling of some threads to see if it's being considered being put in game [possible], has been put in [coming in patch x], or being ignored/won't put in [no]

Are you -sure- you want this? I can envision a future where we get threads or PMs like 'Wailey! why did $person's suggestion get forwarded and not mine? Why did mine get a [no] so fast?' Just exactly as we now get 'why did I get a warning/ban/post removed and $person didn't?'

Also, it's a very meta thread. Suggestions about suggestions...

absolutely sure

if we know something is being considered or looked at or is in the process of being implemented we dont need to continuously create threads on the topic

heron a video can be lag ridden and still be useful, just look at the class combos and you will see a trend

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 12:36am

I am so up for plus one I'm tired of people coming out of no where sending a whole thread into disarray. + 1 would solve that or a like.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 3:19pm

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 4:02pm

discussing reasons for supporting an idea essentially removes the ability for people to support an idea/suggestion/person for a reason completely unrelated to the topic, thus increasing the likelyhood that the "most liked" suggestions are actually suggestions that the players want, and can justify.

if the players can't justify why they want something, then they obviously don't need it, and GF/RW should take no steps towards implementing it.

they aren't asking for a thesis here, simply post your support and why you agree. it doesn't have to be long winded. simple postion+rationale is fine, even if the rationale is quite consice.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 5:05pm

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discussing reasons for supporting an idea essentially removes the ability for people to support an idea/suggestion/person for a reason completely unrelated to the topic, thus increasing the likelyhood that the "most liked" suggestions are actually suggestions that the players want, and can justify.

if the players can't justify why they want something, then they obviously don't need it, and GF/RW should take no steps towards implementing it.

they aren't asking for a thesis here, simply post your support and why you agree. it doesn't have to be long winded. simple postion+rationale is fine, even if the rationale is quite consice.

What ? I can't tell if your opposed or with the idea.
Implementing likes or +1 doesn't mean you still can't comment it's just another option. Most of the time when people agree they not going to comment but when they disagree they do. You not going to see a whole bunch of people repeating nice idea and yeah they should that because etc.
That's why +1 or a like is good, if they do implemented it they should also put a dislike or -1 to it simply stops drama and people trolling and trashing threads which I've seen plenty since my time here.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 5:19pm

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That's why +1 or a like is good, if they do implemented it they should also put a dislike or -1 to it simply stops drama and people trolling and trashing threads which I've seen plenty since my time here.

i think having a discussion pertaining to the rationale would be more useful than a single OP with a simple +/- count.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 5:22pm

It would be multiple likes or dislikes if people have something to add than fine if not simple like or dislike is fine. Will show community support or disapproval. No point in commenting if you have nothing to add.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 5:38pm

+1 still seems fine to me. I will add that if you really support a suggestion strongly, it's probably better to add more than that, because the total volume in text from disagreements could seem to drown out what actually could be a fairly popular suggestion.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 5:52pm

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+1 still seems fine to me. I will add that if you really support a suggestion strongly, it's probably better to add more than that, because the total volume in text from disagreements could seem to drown out what actually could be a fairly popular suggestion.

Word that's why I think like and dislike system would be best because at the end of the day numbers don't lie.
And no matter what one person disagreement is it won't really matter to the sum of the community.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 6:23pm

Except arguments against an idea raise challenges to it. To some, they may not see certain disadvantages without them being raised, even if it is just one person raising them. This also allows the OP to support his/her position further and make the suggestion stronger as a result. The same thing can happen with support from other players, as well. One person may agree for their own reasons, and that reason may be completely opposite the reasoning for the OP. Ultimately, a discussion is better. However, there is a point in a thread where no one comments because every reason for agreement and disagreement have been covered.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 7:06pm

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Except arguments against an idea raise challenges to it. To some, they may not see certain disadvantages without them being raised, even if it is just one person raising them. This also allows the OP to support his/her position further and make the suggestion stronger as a result. The same thing can happen with support from other players, as well. One person may agree for their own reasons, and that reason may be completely opposite the reasoning for the OP. Ultimately, a discussion is better. However, there is a point in a thread where no one comments because every reason for agreement and disagreement have been covered.

lol what ? anyways like i said before likes and dislikes doesnt stop discussions people and still comment but likes and dislikes will show how many people agree or dont agree and at the end of the day its the same reason. Like say dias prices need to be lowered 10 ppl like it 2 ppl dislike it. The 10 want it lowered because they cant really afford current prices but the 2 dont want it lowered because they want to control the market.
Some people dont like to indulge in forums because of trolling and getting bashed so that system would be best imo.
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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 7:25pm

please refrain from personal attacks and keep this constructive. LAST WARNING

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 7:32pm

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please refrain from personal attacks and keep this constructive. LAST WARNING

Word but what do you think ?

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 7:33pm

You're right, warriorking. Adding a +1/-1 to the forums wouldn't remove the possibility for discussion. However, it will cause some to just +1 or -1 without giving a reason. Whenever someone agrees or disagrees with something, they have a reason why they agree with it. That is (imo) why the forums currently doesn't have this feature: to try to get people to explain their reasoning.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 7:52pm

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You're right, warriorking. Adding a +1/-1 to the forums wouldn't remove the possibility for discussion. However, it will cause some to just +1 or -1 without giving a reason. Whenever someone agrees or disagrees with something, they have a reason why they agree with it. That is (imo) why the forums currently doesn't have this feature: to try to get people to explain their reasoning.

If they have nothing else to add and the other person has nothing to add than why not put that system in ?
And it hasn't been implemented because no one probably brought it up to now. No point in the discussing something if it's already been pointed out.
Also they can always state why they dont not everyone wants to talk in forums or type. People who want to can discuss why not and why it will be good not everyone is going to say good idea because such and such.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 8:09pm

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And it hasn't been implemented because no one probably brought it up to now.

i've seen this discussion on this very forum at least one other time i can think of off my head. this isn't some new groundbreaking concept. it hasn't been implemented because the people that run the forums, and the same people that handle communicating all the suggestions, don't think it is a good idea, or will have a detrimental effect on the process, or it simply isn't the highest priority, and is on the back burner for the last couple years.

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 8:11pm

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And it hasn't been implemented because no one probably brought it up to now. No point in the discussing something if it's already been pointed out.

Yes, it has. It was talked (typed) to death several years ago (prior to GR restructuring of the forums which lost a lot of the discussions regarding the +1/-1 addition to the forums.)

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Sunday, November 1st 2015, 11:14pm

<snip> a +1/-1 system might work. However, it also has its drawbacks. One of which being that it can remove some discussion from the forums. This is worse at the start of a thread. However, it gets better the further along the thread goes due to more points being covered. I personally want a +1/-1 system, but at the same time, I don't want it due to its drawbacks.

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Monday, November 2nd 2015, 12:09am

if ppl wanna post they can post

only thing not having 1/1 system does is keep the ppl away that simply wanna give a thumbs up or down and move on

even if its a handful of people its still a significant boost to the dozen or so regular posters

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