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Monday, January 11th 2016, 11:19pm

Proper utilisation of Dreamland

So outside of farming instances (which at this point is kind of redundant seeing as the instances aren't released until gear from said instance has gone out of date) the only way for us to get stats is the shell/myth/eoj/AA/honor/dreamland vendors. And yet out of all of these vendors (ignoring rate of good pulls) dreamland by far is the most accessible one by a more varied range of players and yet it is the most underutilized one. The stats and gear dropped by dreamland vendors are more or less garbage. Dreamland is also the one least prone to exploitation.

For shell vendors it takes days to get enough shells to make a pull and then people are frustrated by a god awful stat. It takes players weeks of not months to get the stat they need from shells.

Players only become active around the myth vendors around myth events because other than that all the world bosses are always camped/farmed by the same players in the game.

The pot eoj in kashaylan is also in similar situation as world bosses, more or less always camped by the same people and on top of that there are bots that can be used for people to farm that eoj for hours on end. And I don't know the internal structure of GM's but I'm certain there aren't enough GM's to camp kashaylan pot eoj 24/7 365 days a year to catch the botters.

And then there's AA, those of you that take part in AA on a regular basis and actually fight will have realised that there are script/bot of some kind used by players to always be in AA with multiple alts 24 hours a day 7 days a week. And this bot is even harder to detect because players can just make a group of lvl 10 alts and run those through AA instead of their actual main toon.

Honor vendors imo are fine the way they are, nothing more to be said in that matter.

I realise I didn't mention mem vendors above. I didn't bother with this because I've never gotten any good stats out of them or know anyone that has. I have been told that the lvl 95 weapons do give decent stats, although I've never had any solid proof of this. But even if this case is true, the chance of maybe getting a good stat at 3k+ mem per pull seems like an absurdly impractical number to me.

And out of all of these dreamland is the only one where you don't have to compete with the elitists, you don't have to run alt after alt through mini games and then make one pull every few days or have multiple toons camping eoj/world bosses or lose out reward to botters.

I suggest make dreamland drop useful stats such as str/patk, int/matk, dex/patk, stam/hp, stam/pdef, stam/patk etc. As well as drop gears similer to those sold by eoj vendors. Dreamland can be run anytime of the day and can't be exploited as far as I know. For those that can't solo farm it, you don't need an entire 12 man raid to farm it, takes like 2-3 decent-ish geared people to farm it. Making dreamland more rewarding I believe is a concept that will sit well with most players in this game, from those that are hard core end gamers and wants the best of best stats to those that are casual players who doesn't have the time to sit at their computer day and night to farm things just to get any where.

Dreamland is one of the greater features in this game, please for the love of god make proper use of it.
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Tuesday, January 12th 2016, 1:44am

i totally agree that Dreamland drops should not only give us useless stats. Hope they change this and make pulls worthwhile. :)

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Tuesday, January 12th 2016, 2:16am

That would be nice, though I have to say, Dreamland is still boring to farm lol.
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Tuesday, January 12th 2016, 3:16pm

Dreamland is a great place to gain TP!!!!!

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Thursday, January 14th 2016, 11:21pm

First of all - I'm all for making Dreamland rewards better.

About your other points:

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WB/myths - I 100% agree; increasing number of channels on maps with WB's would be a good idea imho. Now, after the pom event it is a bit better, but before it, in December, people even didn't world-shout for possibility of getting the lvl 60 elite, just not to let other guilds know what time the WB was killed...

Eoj @ Kashaylan - as always, there may be something we don't know. But using macros and in-game mechanics you cannot bot this event (and if you use external programs you would probably choose a less visible EoJ quest on older maps... :P ). Ancientgear, I would bet quite a lot that all you see is ppl legitimately clicking on the bottles by hand. And it CANNOT BE "CAMPED" - a nice thing about this quest is that people basically don't disturb each other! If you see someone doing it - join in! Do just one quest per event and spend the rest of the 20 minutes on the main toon doing something more interesting. You won't get as much EoJ as someone who destroying his mouse by stultifyingly clicking on the three bottles, but your effort will be almost none... Honestly, whenever you see someone doing the Kashaylan (or any other EoJ events) - just join in! :D

AA => I also have serious suspicions about the "automation" you think you can see. You probably look there at peak hours, you see ppl's alts "all the time" while they have probably logged in alts while they do dailies etc. on the main toon - at the same time when you have your gaming time.

Anyway, it's just my allergy to throwing the word "bot" around lightly. If you have some reason to believe someone is abusing the system by too much automation - by all means please, please report it to the support. Or start another discussion if you think some brainstorming about it is needed. But I just don't like you building up (in the middle of a post about something else!) an atmosphere that everyone doing the Kashaylan or AA (or waterfall, or secret garden, or...) is a "botter".

And the last remark: as I wrote, I'm all for making the Dreamland rewards better. But (a bit on the formal side) I don't understand your remark about "elitists". For basically everything else, if there is place in pt, you can (and we in our guild do) take "tourists" - undergeared players, just to let them get some memos and show them what top instances look like, for example (if they die, they will work out their debt later). Dreamland is an exception - you do _not_ accept undergeared players to join the pt... Kind of the same as when you say "dreamland is the only one where [...] you don't have to run alt after alt through" - well guess what? If Dreamland is made worth it, if people have alts good enough to run Dreamland, they will. If they have a pt of 2 ppl (a dps in honor gear + a heal?) good enough to run it, they won't invite extra ppl to the pt. They will keep resetting and keep running Dreamland as long as they don't fall themselves into a dream at 5AM. :P

So while the idea to make Dreamland better is great (not bad a zone indeed; and - gives you tp :) ), your remarks about bots, alts and elitists are probably quite irrelevant here. Just imo.
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Friday, January 15th 2016, 1:51am

Ancientgear about you accusing players botting EOJ's event at the bottles, let me tell you a few things here:

I do it with 4 or 5 of my alts from time to time, there is a way to BOT it as you say? but if you are convince someone is using an external program to do it, make a ticket and turn them in, GM's hate BOT's as much as i do. When i do it, i do it all 3 channels and when other people show up, i never win or finish in top 3 loll, hard to switch in between clients and do that lol. This is a great EOJ to do to get points. I have seen GM's pop in very often, people who are apparently gone but when you circle the tent, you might see them trying to climb a wall, jumping off cliffs loll and that just confirms it for the GM's and then you see them log off, few hours later you see one raging in world or trade chat that they have been banned blabla for no reason LMAO. I could spend 14 hours a day doing EOJ and in between timers watch TV or a movie, come back every 15 minutes or so, rinse and repeat.

As for AA, i thought it was not bottable at all since the sign in window is always random spot?? but ah well, we learn new things everyday. The main thing is people cheat, hack, Bot because they cannot play the game, they have no skill and shouldn't even be here at all. It is the player's responsability to report said actions to the proper people so they can take action on them.

But with 2 servers only now, all the GM's for those 2 said server, if people want to cheat or Bot, let them, they will be gone before you know it and good riddance to them. Play clean or get the hell out, i always said.

FYi if you see a toon clicking the bottles at EOJ event while the timer is waiting on the next round, try whispering them and if no response, go to IRC and try to get a GM to check it out, that is your best bet. Don't go every 5 minutes to bug the GM's and it turns out not to be the case or just you don't like the toon/person there. Always check the behavior of said toon before making a complaint not to waste anyone's time. ^^

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Friday, January 15th 2016, 10:29am

I thought I will never ever ever ever say it, but here I am:

I agree with Zid 100%!

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PS: do you guys have 3 channels @ Kashaylan? Lucky bastards ;) - we have only 2...
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Friday, January 15th 2016, 5:21pm

Don't report me when my lvl 90 warrior is there clicking bottles between timers... That's where I'm currently doing dailies. Though I did do 1 round of eoj the other day with some spare time I had.
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Friday, January 15th 2016, 9:51pm

hahaha 10 dailies at bottles in Kasha takes 2 minutes max, when you see one click bottles for 15 minutes and not responding, that would be a good clue loll

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Friday, January 15th 2016, 11:42pm

I didn't mean to imply that I'd be there for 15 minutes. Yeah, less than 2.
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