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Tuesday, October 4th 2016, 11:06pm

So this suggestion was made in irc by antontakk.

GF decided to irritate the entire player base and change the old IS to their new stupid verison of IS. The IS change has been the single reason why a lot of players have quit. And GF claims that the reason they did it is because so they can have full control over the IS without having to consult RW. Well maybe its time for GF to put their money where their mouth is and actually show players that they have complete control of the IS.

Put shell and myth stats in the IS. Getting stats now days is just stupidly hard, specially myth stats. Each world boss only drops 5 myths. So assuming a 5 man raid, it will take 10 world boss kills for a single player to pull any of the recent items and then on top of that we have to consider the rate of getting a decent stat (25% chance of getting a stat worth using) and then on top of that the repsawn time of world bosses is so stupidly long that trying to get orange stats for your gear is literally no longer practical. If you are after a specific stat...eg str/patk then its an average of 40 world boss kills till you get that stat. :dash:

Since they refuse to have reguler myth events, they should put stats in IS for dias. And only the good stats that people actually want, not all the garbage.

200 dia for a lvl cap shell stat
400 dia for a lvl cap myth stat

Obviously it will be impractical to think they can put all the stats in IS. So maybe just put stats from current lvl cap and 1 lvl cap lower.

100 dia for shell stat from previous lvl cap
300 dia for a myth stat from previous lvl cap

The list of stats I propose is:
str/patk
int/matk
dex/patk
str/stam
stam/hp
stam/pdef
stam/patk
stam/matk
stam/wis

Some of these stats don't drop with the shell gears, so just put that stat on for myth, and vice versa.

AND NONE OF THE GARBAGE LIKE PUTTING THE STATS IN GASHA'S...IF PEOPLE PAY DIAS THEN IT SHOULD BE 100% CHANCE FOR THAT STAT.

Weeks following the release of the new IS GF was showing off how they can change the IS without even having to restart the servers or do a patch. Well then this should only take them few days to get implemented and get some credibility back with the player base.

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Tuesday, October 4th 2016, 11:22pm

No. Allow you to choose stats from vendors. That's literally all that has to be done.

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Tuesday, October 4th 2016, 11:40pm

But theres nothing for GF to gain by putting in the extra man hour to do so? and I believe it would be RW that will be doing something like that. And from what i've seen RW doesnt seem to pay any attention to what GF wants...

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Wednesday, October 5th 2016, 4:04pm

Quoted from "Borella"

No. Allow you to choose stats from vendors. That's literally all that has to be done.

That would be ideal, and is not something GameForge controls. the Item shop, otoh, is.
It would also be great if RuneWaker would make all the good yellows drop from all bosses in normal mode.
I'm not holding my breath on either of those things happening.

WRT Gashas, i agree the desired stat should be guaranteed, However, i think it might be acceptable to have (for example):

Ability of Rites Gasha - guaranteed to get an Ability of Rites, chance to additionally get an orange Rites stat etc.

As long as the prices aren't to high, I believe this suggestion would not only lead to extra diamond sales for GameForge, but allow players to gear up more reliably/easily. It would also serve to decouple the availability of instance stats from the (heavily diminished) end-game population.

P.S. Personally, i think Ancientgear's price recommendations might be high, i think a flat 100 dias per stat would be good, that's still 600 diamonds sold to stat one piece of gear. would still be more than $100 USD for stats for a full set of gear, even at diamond sale rates.

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Wednesday, October 5th 2016, 4:33pm

Well this made me giggle this morning hahaha. I used to be able to craft cloth gear and get a chance of getting Int/Matk from it, even suggested for the crafters to have a chance to get str/patk and dex/patk from it too, but noooooo, everyone crapped on me for even suggesting this to happen. Then you all went on a rant on how we should not be allowed to get those unless we run hardmode, guess what? you want those stats?? easy way to do it = RUN HARDMODE and deal with it.

IS was changed for Gameforge to control it? yes they did, because like everything else in the game, you have those special individuals that figured a way to hack into it and get free stuff without spending diamonds. But sure we should blame Gameforge for this, don't we ? NO WE DON'T, blame the lame players who can't accept to play the game as it was meant to be played.

All it seems is players want the IS to reflect that other place that does that, i say no to this idea.

People have come to me over the last 7 years with : You want endgame stats, endgame gear?? well go run hardmode yourself !!!! so i guess i can return the favor. Everything random in this game is way to random but it's how it is and doubt it will ever change.

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Wednesday, October 5th 2016, 5:46pm

Quoted from "AntonTakk"

P.S. Personally, i think Ancientgear's price recommendations might be high, i think a flat 100 dias per stat would be good, that's still 600 diamonds sold to stat one piece of gear. would still be more than $100 USD for stats for a full set of gear, even at diamond sale rates.

Based my prices on the current Erebos AH. str/patk isle is going for 23m avg, and the orange stats...well they go for any where between 80m to 100m+, I know because i've sold some at stupid prices. So even at 100k per dia (current avg dia price on erebos) its still cheaper at that price in IS.

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IS was changed for Gameforge to control it? yes they did, because like everything else in the game, you have those special individuals that figured a way to hack into it and get free stuff without spending diamonds. But sure we should blame Gameforge for this, don't we ? NO WE DON'T, blame the lame players who can't accept to play the game as it was meant to be played.

All it seems is players want the IS to reflect that other place that does that, i say no to this idea.

People have come to me over the last 7 years with : You want endgame stats, endgame gear?? well go run hardmode yourself !!!! so i guess i can return the favor. Everything random in this game is way to random but it's how it is and doubt it will ever change.

idk why you are so into hard modes, have yet to see you run any.

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Wednesday, October 5th 2016, 8:29pm

Quoted from "ancientgear"

Based my prices on the current Erebos AH. str/patk isle is going for 23m avg, and the orange stats...well they go for any where between 80m to 100m+, I know because i've sold some at stupid prices. So even at 100k per dia (current avg dia price on erebos) its still cheaper at that price in IS.

The prices for high end stats on Mithras seem to range from 12 mil for good yellows to at most 80 mil for good oranges, thou most of the good oranges were in for closer to 50 mil (this from a quick glance and comparison). still, price is flexible. I mainly wanted to point out that with stats likely to be a high-volume item, the prices can be fairly low and still result in LOTS of RL money for GameForge.

Quoted from "zidlef"

IS was changed for Gameforge to control it? yes they did, because like everything else in the game, you have those special individuals that figured a way to hack into it and get free stuff without spending diamonds.

The stated reason was more complete and flexible control over the IS, and to bring it inline with their other games. I am basing off that information. if you have access to some other data stating otherwise, chances are you are violating an NDA by mentioning it in the forums. I find it more likely that you're guessing wildly.

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I used to be able to craft cloth gear and get a chance of getting Int/Matk from it,

Patch notes stated that to be unintentional. further, with the equivilent PDPS, Tank, and Healer stats not dropping on appropriate pieces, it should have been obvious that it was not intended.

Quoted from "zidlef"

All it seems is players want the IS to reflect that other place that does that, i say no to this idea.

I Want the IS to reflect the state of the game.

I personally believe that it is way to hard to get good stats in RoM, it has been ever since they were removed from Ancient Memento and Energy of Justice pulls with the introduction of Chrysalia. Further, i believe that making it significantly easier to get good stats would result in more people running higher level content and on higher difficulties. Blue OD quest gear with proper stats and plussing will get you in to an end-game hard mode, replacing the armor with Phirius Shell or crafted gear and accessories with Mem or EoJ accessories with the same stats will make you able to do quite well in an end-game hard mode.

the availability of GEAR isn't a problem, IMO. The availability of GOOD STATS is.

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Magío

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Wednesday, October 5th 2016, 10:10pm

Bottom line, the problem being complained about in this thread is gear progression. It is too... not even difficult in my opinion, just slow and obnoxious. Gearing in this game is frustrating because there's just TOO many variables that are out of the player's control. RNG drops from instances, RNG durability, RNG stat drops/pulls (of which the majority are useless), RNG plussing, then after +16 it's RNG P2W wheel to obtain RNG plussing jewels to RNG your way to +20.

Removing at least one of these RNG hurdles would be huge. With that being said, I don't think putting stats in the IS is the way to go. Making the game even more P2W does pander to Failforge's model for their games, but we know how that's working out for the game. Dwindling population and stagnant economies (at least on the US side).

I agree with Borella on this one. Picking stats is the way to go in my opinion. Let's crunch some numbers. Even going 6/0 you usually need 3 Orange stats. 14-15 pieces of gear and an average of 9-10 PoMs per stat. To get a full set of Orange stats for it still requires ~400 Proofs. That's no grind to scoff at (excluding the easily exploitable Proof events).
Someone else who actually does minigames help me out and do the math for 3 yellow pulls for the same 14-15 gear pieces.

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Wednesday, October 5th 2016, 11:44pm

Quoted from "Magío"

I agree with Borella on this one. Picking stats is the way to go in my opinion. Let's crunch some numbers. Even going 6/0 you usually need 3 Orange stats. 14-15 pieces of gear and an average of 9-10 PoMs per stat. To get a full set of Orange stats for it still requires ~400 Proofs. That's no grind to scoff at (excluding the easily exploitable Proof events).
Someone else who actually does minigames help me out and do the math for 3 yellow pulls for the same 14-15 gear pieces.

lmao, doesn't matter what the math says...as i've already stated above...the reason I suggested to put stats in IS is because and im sure others will agree, it will see a boost to GF's income. Ergo GF has an incentive to make this happen. Where as if we go with this choose your stat stuff then RW has to make the changes and they have no incentive to do so unlike GF, so they have 0 logical reason to put in the extra man hour and do something that will benefit the players...because that's not how they function is what i've realised so far playing ROM.

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Thursday, October 6th 2016, 12:30am

Anton since you seem to know very little and your quote :

Patch notes stated that to be unintentional. further, with the
equivilent PDPS, Tank, and Healer stats not dropping on appropriate
pieces, it should have been obvious that it was not intended.

Well tank and healer stats still drops from crafted gear, no matter what you say or Cike says or even some GM's input on this, we had them since level 80 till 92, we had a chance of them on dropping on the best EOJ gear too, not anymore. They would have left it as it was, the game and economy would be better.

Why do you still think after years in the game that i am a GM?? Trust me, you don't want me to be a GM and getting ranked up, cause you would see a lot of player get permaban/delete account, since i would have no piety for cheaters/botters or hackers. Since you like to put your head in the sand and play innocent, you know as well as everyone else that special website for all the special people :mad:

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GM's are just too lenient with some people and a lot should have been gone for years. But that is just my personal opinion since only a few of us play the game as it was meant to be played.

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Thursday, October 6th 2016, 1:45am

gearing is most definitely the issue. the absurd cost of gear mods essentially makes anything less than BiS near worthless to do.

this issue is compounded with the fact that aside from a few offpieces, there is no point in running around with easymode/normal gear if you have access to a HM/proof set even quite a few caps old. you simply miss out on too many important ghost stats. I know it has been getting better, but it's still a far cry from "lvl x normal mode set is the stepping stone to run lvl x hardmode" like sensible games work.

also, buff p/s. the nerf killed the class. QQ

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Thursday, October 6th 2016, 5:04pm

Quoted from "zidlef"

Well tank and healer stats still drops from crafted gear, no matter what you say or Cike says or even some GM's input on this

Tank and healer stats have always been some of the easiest to get. they even drop in easy modes.

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Why do you still think after years in the game that i am a GM??

I have never thought you were a GM, I was simply pointing out the likely hood that you were speculating wildly with no basis in reality.
Evem *I* Don't have so little faith in humanity as to believe anyone would make you (or me, FWIW) a GM.

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Trust me

NEVER!

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you would see a lot of player get permaban/delete account, since i would have no piety for cheaters/botters or hackers.

And I am 99.99% sure you would immediately be stripped of GM status, and the accounts reinstated that you banned w/o GameForge's consent. Further. I am reasonably sure that GMs are simply unable to delete an account.

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Since you like to put your head in the sand and play innocent

When have I ever done this? I make no secret that I have, on occasion, run headlong in to a rule or two.

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you know as well as everyone else that special website for all the special people .

I know at least three "Special" websites WRT RoM. and I admit I am aware of their offerings and their claimed capabilities. I do not, as a policy, condone their use. but that does not mean I am not going to arm my self with the knowledge of their claimed capabilities.
Also, I do not appreciate the insinuation. I will say nothing further on this topic as I am quite sure it violates the forum's terms of use.

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GM's are just too lenient with some people and a lot should have been gone for years. But that is just my personal opinion since only a few of us play the game as it was meant to be played.

The GMs have rules to follow and requirements/burdens of proof to be met before taking action. We should all be grateful for this.
Also, In my experience, Cheating/"Hacking"/etc in RoM is *VASTLY* less prevalent than many people appear to think.

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also, buff p/s. the nerf killed the class. QQ

+5% Healing Power passive pls :thumbsup:

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Thursday, October 6th 2016, 10:42pm

IMHO, putting stats in the diamond shop re-enforces the image of pay-to-win. Not saying I am opposed to the idea, It is basically the same as putting advances gear runes in the AH, so people who want them can get them without the long-term grind of collecting enough level 3 and 4 basic stats and transmuting them.

I would probably be suckered into buying more diamonds if I could stat up that way. I would just ask that the p2w whiners not partake of this foul evil poison.

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Friday, October 7th 2016, 8:41pm

god. please. do. not. put. stats. in. IS. thx.

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Friday, October 7th 2016, 11:35pm

LMFAO so many people against putting stats in the IS, complaining it will make the game p2w. Don't see anyone throwing a tantrum over the fact that golden hammers and runes are in IS too. Because if you are against stats in IS then by your logic golden hammers and runes should be removed from IS.

Golden hammers acheives the same effect as having OD gear at the end of the day. If people don't like having to use golden hammers then just go and farm OD, but those that can't/doesnt want to farm OD have the option of just using UD and hammering it.

Just like runes...if you don't like paying dias for it then just go bloody farm the lower lvl runes needed to make the higher lvl ones. Last I checked aside from few exceptions all runes in the game can be crafted.

So if there are stats in IS and you don't want to pay dias for it then DON'T BLOODY BUY IT, PERIOD. It's not freaking rocket science, no one is forcing you to buy anything. Just go farm the stats you need if you are that much into grinding. But just because you don't like/want something that doesn't mean other people also don't like/want said thing.

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Saturday, October 8th 2016, 12:02am

the "if you don't like y, don't partake" argument is worn out around here imo.

all it's gotten us is a whole lot of people that "don't play the game"

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Saturday, October 8th 2016, 3:44pm

Bottom line, the problem being complained
about in this thread is gear progression. It is too... not even
difficult in my opinion, just slow and obnoxious

Isn't that the definition of difficult: Slow and obnoxious? The game has fewer and fewer players because it is slow and obnoxious. If you want more people to play the game you have to make it enjoyable for most people not the elite few. That is what people are asking for. They want to be able to play the game not work at it. This is a game not a job. Many deaths to run an instance to get a chance at a piece of gear that in most cases worthless is a good way to kill a game. Which is what is happening right now.
People want to partake in this game but can't . That is why they post here. Put everything in the Item Shop and put diamonds back in the Auction House. Pretty soon everyone will be able to do everything and there will be a lot more players. But that would upset the elite few.

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Saturday, October 8th 2016, 7:18pm

the main issue would be people don't want to put in the work to play the game, don't want to gear up, don't want to spend money, don't want to spend too much time in game, don't want anything that requires more than 15 minutes for them to get it, simply put : THEY WANT EVERYTHING HANDED DOWN TO THEM!!!!

Who cares about dying doing hardmode instances?? who cares if you don't always get what you want from said instances? it is made to have fun and run it over and over. I could run instances 12 hours a day if people would be willing to put in the effort to do so, i don't care if it'S Grotto or higher instances, even GCH and TOSH but those we don't have enough people who knows what the heck to do lol.

Ya it can suck if you can only afford to play 1 hour a day to do runs but plenty of people would be willing to run anything, but gotta be able to overlook the attitude and be able to deal with people.

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Saturday, October 8th 2016, 7:56pm

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Isn't that the definition of difficult: Slow and obnoxious?
The game has fewer and fewer players because it is slow and obnoxious. If you want more people to play the game you have to make it enjoyable for most people not the elite few. That is what people are asking for. They want to be able to play the game not work at it. This is a game not a job. Many deaths to run an instance to get a chance at a piece of gear that in most cases worthless is a good way to kill a game. Which is what is happening right now.
People want to partake in this game but can't . That is why they post here. Put everything in the Item Shop and put diamonds back in the Auction House. Pretty soon everyone will be able to do everything and there will be a lot more players. But that would upset the elite few.

No.
"elite few", endgamers?
An endgamer started out at the same place someone like you did. What's the difference in having you not be able to partake?

Why would it upset us? You make so many assumptions throughout your posts in several thread that are all wrong... quit blaming others lol.

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the main issue would be people don't want to put in the work to play the game, don't want to gear up, don't want to spend money, don't want to spend too much time in game, don't want anything that requires more than 15 minutes for them to get it, simply put : THEY WANT EVERYTHING HANDED DOWN TO THEM!!!!

Wow I agree with Zid. That's how bad your opinion is... thank you Zid.

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Saturday, October 8th 2016, 8:52pm

Quoted from "Cike"

the "if you don't like y, don't partake" argument is worn out around here imo.

all it's gotten us is a whole lot of people that "don't play the game"

No Wheel of fortune makes people quit the game, spending days if not weeks doing minis,drill ground, sieges to get 1 stat makes people quit the game. Making things more available for a greater range of players doesn't make them quit the game...

I myself am currently on the 4th day of my great journey to get a str/patk brinewind with exactly 0 luckso far. And I pull with 7 toons, I would not like to think what people that only has 1 toon do.

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the main issue would be people don't want to put in the work to play the game, don't want to gear up, don't want to spend money, don't want to spend too much time in game, don't want anything that requires more than 15 minutes for them to get it, simply put : THEY WANT EVERYTHING HANDED DOWN TO THEM!!!!

LMFAO if I wanted to work then I would get this little thing known as a job where you get paid money instead of playing rom.

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