Runes of Magic US / AU

Bottom Line: You don't.

They have been physically removed after being archived. Thus we can not bring them back.

This is a fresh start for US forums, but unfortunately we now start to realize some of the threads we deemed outdated are very well missed by some of our community.

Please be assured we did not want to hurt any-ones feelings nor did we want to negate any hard work they did put into some of the stuff they posted. Due to balancing, revamps and updates though it was simply in most terms outdated or at least we thought so

We encourage you to post updated, new guides and we will shortly initiate a contest along that line.

Also, for future archiving, we will make sure we have an easier way to bring archived threads back. You may hit me with a baseball bat now.

As owner of more then one web site/forums I am well aware that if you have backup, you can build site back, just question is if you like to do it.

If you don't have backups, then we have bigger problems then lost knowledge...

This is really huge set-back for game and community and just shows as how much Frogster cares about both of those.

ps. Last night I was searching for help on quest, and only way to get help is to avoid any link that leads back here...

RoMage, thus is the way of the interwebs.

Our goal: Speed up the forums, re-organize, re-structure, listen to user wishes (add Palenque).

Further goal: Similar appearance as EU has, less closed threads that clutter up the search results.

Achieve rate: 90 % (never trust a poll that you have not faked yourself).

Unfortunately, and I am really sorry about this, some guides we reviewed and deemed outdated due to balancing progress and the way those threads were developing or presented, were not.

Humans make mistakes. Humans are no machines.

Good news is, humans can rebuilt.

And this is what we will do.

In short: The train has left the station, it will not come back.

Now lets look forward. Lessons have been learned, I can assure you that

And we will dig up a little something to make it worth your while to re-built (or even re-link from EU forums) that which seems lost.

Dioanea,

not sure if you see it, but most of people who made those helpful threads that we all used in past have left game many moons ago. Knowledge is lost and only way I see it back is if you (not specifically you, but your forum/web admin) create copy of old site that is read only and give us 3-6 months to harvest useful data.

I am sure that mostly no one will create new guides, at least not here for simple fact that they might be lost with another 'human' mistake.

Can we have someone that manages website (so not forum moderator, but web site administrator) to answer simple question, if read only forum is possible or not? (and if not, simple question is why not?)

Thank you!

No it is not.

Re-built is the only option.

And frankly, as much as has changed (and , granted, some has not), we basically need updated guides

And i have high hopes we have the player-base and knowledge right among all of you great people. (Or we go and move it across from EU forums).

Come on, US, show them who we are

Knowledge is not lost, RoMage.

It is in you and every player who still plays.

And why not? Did we have good backup before move/changes? I can host read only forum if hosting is problem.

The problem is not 'how much it changed', but instead of updating existing guides (not a lot of work), you're asking community to create new one?? (huge work even if someone wants to do it)

IMHO, not worth doing at this stage in game. I rather find info what I can from different sources or in game.

As you said, lost is lost, nothing we can do about it... (hope we are not talking about the game)

Recreate all the data that was in the forums. Recreate almost 3 yrs of data that has been wiped? Are you kidding? Reinvent the wheel, why don't ya. This was not a good move and no matter what you, Dionaea, say, that data is lost, never to be seen again.So, where is the cave called Slave Hole in Sascilla Stepps?. The answer was here a month ago....

Dang it... told myself I wouldn't post here since I'm not playing any longer... but... but...

You have to be kidding! Frogster, are you out of your mind? You deleted the entire collective contents of a forum that has been here since the game started?

Do you people understand what the term "Archive" means? It does NOT mean to delete. It means to take out of mainstream space and place into storage to make space for newer material. By its very nature archiving implies that the information is still there, stored somewhere away from the main space so it does not take up unnecessary room - but still accessible!!!

If the staff at Frogster think that the RoM community has not lost a lot of valuable information, then they must be on drugs, and no amount of koolaid-inspired pep talk from GM's or FM's is going to cover the fact that Frogster has royally screwed the pooch, yet again. I personally am highly insulted that posts and threads that I put real time, effort, thought and research into are just gone. How dare you just vaporware our work like that!

There was a wealth of knowledge and information that we had here that has been annihilated, and no amount of "rebuilding" is going to cover that gaping chasm in the knowledge-base of the players.

I check back here at least once a week to see if there is any redeeeming reason for me to un-retire from RoM - in the vain hope that Frogster / Runewaker pull their heads out of their posteriors and fix this bleeding game, but I've got to tell you that every week I end up more and more convinced that I did the right thing in leaving. The management of this game has gone from Hades to the fricken depths of the Abyss in the 4 months I've been gone.

FA shutting down... server moves borking siege... still no fixes for even the most fundamental of gamebreaking bugs... still no action on the ridiculously expensive cash shop and the blatantly gouging pay to win model... and now nuking the forums... /sigh... why do I bother coming back here?

As that smacktard Australian reporter Derryn Hinch would say: "Shame... shame..."

You done a bad, bad thing here Froggy.

Quoted from "RoMage;507187"

I am sure that mostly no one will create new guides, at least not here for simple fact that they might be lost with another 'human' mistake.

Agree. I've been working on a couple guides for a while now, but why should I continue to put forth the effort, when Frogster will toss it all in dumpster on a whim.

Quoted from "Dionaea;507189"

Come on, US, show them who we are

We're not children, Frogster, and we're not supid either. What assurance can you give that we will not be treated with the same contempt you showed our predecessors? Many brilliant people worked long and hard to produce a cumulative collection of knowledge that is irreplaceable. I can't find decent words to express how insulting it is that you've discarded it as refuse. Your inability to understand why it is a problem communicates how little you care. It is blatantly clear that the question, "How will this affect our forum community" was never asked, and worse, that it never even occurred to you.

Did you even think of all the time people put in typing in the old forums? Everything I google now I get that stupid error message. I was asked a question about the runes one receives after the Sammoge quest in Harf, googled it and ... well you know, got your fail error message. Sure some of the information was old, but at least is was information. My recommendation to any new players is dont post anything on this forum because they will most likely just erase your information at a later date anyway. Be better to just post stuff in you individual guilds forums and let this crap die. I don't normally bash you guys, or rage at any level but bottom line on this , is in fact, you FAIL!.

Whining about this isn't going to change anything. People can either step up and help the situation, or they can whine about it all being so unfair and do zero to help it. Or they can whine about the people whining and not help. (Though I like how they have taken my idea for a competition on board. They might even thank me again at some point :p).

Writing a guide isn't easy. But if you are really worried about it disappearing why not keep a copy? That way if evil Frogster wipe their forums then your work is not wasted.

There is a lot of information that has been lost, but none of it is irreplaceable. It is certainly a hugely unnecessary thing that has happened here, but it has happened and people need to deal with it. Otherwise the situation does not get better, and that should be the main aim?

Don't post on the forums? Nonsense. Stop being so childish.

Quoted from "KatalanOrk;507331"

Whining about this isn't going to change anything. People can either step up and help the situation, or they can whine about it all being so unfair and do zero to help it. Or they can whine about the people whining and not help. (Though I like how they have taken my idea for a competition on board. They might even thank me again at some point :p).

Writing a guide isn't easy. But if you are really worried about it disappearing why not keep a copy? That way if evil Frogster wipe their forums then your work is not wasted.

There is a lot of information that has been lost, but none of it is irreplaceable. It is certainly a hugely unnecessary thing that has happened here, but it has happened and people need to deal with it. Otherwise the situation does not get better, and that should be the main aim?

Don't post on the forums? Nonsense. Stop being so childish.

Really, we offer more then one way of how to fix it, if you haven't noticed.

Yeah, we should rediscover wheel as well, why use global knowledge, let us all forget that wheel do spin and start all over again from stone. Funny, who is childish here??

If suggestion here are taken as whining, then I will most likely opt for another option - find another game that cares about it's community and users. This one showed us more then once - they DO NOT CARE.

If they have backup of forum as they claim to have (and I am more likely to believe otherwise - just like not existing NA marketing department ) it takes only 30 min to restore it to 'fake' location and to keep everyone happy. But the things is that USA server population is not worth those 30 minutes of someones time. I was in more then one community that did this when switching to different kind of board. I agree new board should have fresh start, but all knowledge from old one should be kept and used.

Since this happened, I switched to couple guild's web sites for help with quests. It's sad that we have to depend on 3rd party. Hope this will not lead to switch to different game as well...

C'mon people. Has not a single one of you accidentally thrown away an important phone number or address or disposed of something that you didn't think, at the time, would be important or necessary only to find out later that you really needed it? The vast majority of the stuff lost can be reconstructed; and done so in a more up-to-date fashion. People will work out the formulas and ideas again and *gasp* learn the game for themselves instead of relying on a guide to tell them how to play. Are we peeved that some info was lost? Of course. I had a long-running MBTI poll that was nuked; I could set it up again, but I can't recover the previous poll results. If anything, I have more reason to be upset at that than anyone else has regarding lost gameplay guides.

The frog made a mistake; beating the dead horse won't reconstruct those guides. Do any of you people like it when you make a mistake and 15 people come along to point it out, criticize you, embarrass you publicly about it, and give you advice on how to fix it that can't be used? Water under the bridge people, water under the bridge. Instead of fixating on the mistake itself, get to work on damage-control.

It happens weekly where I work. That is where we restore files from backup and we keep backups for last 3 years.

Simple reason - no business can work if you don't keep your data secure.

Telling that is impossible to restore forum to different location might work for someone who don't know much about how forum/database work, but for everyone else is just another FAIL.

As it appears FEU is not capable to restore data, and that just makes us further worry if is worth collecting it again. IMHO it's not.

If frogster just wanted to get us to update things, all they had to do was unsticky the old guides and say "Either update this or watch it drop down the threads list."

Completely doing away with so many helpful threads was, imo, completely unnecessary. The old guides might be outdated, but that does not mean they aren't helpful. The only reason I play a M/S is because I saw a guide for it that was about a year and a half old, read through it, and though "Hey, that sounds like a cool class combo!" I didn't necessarily follow the guide word for word, but i defiantly used it in building up my character. Now that thread is gone (though i still have a copy of it from google cache) either I (who hasn't played m/s to endgame yet) or another more experienced M/S (which i dont happen to know any, if you are one hollar at me) have to COMPLETELY rebuild the guide.

Also, as a side note on google cache: Frogster...REALLY?!?! google has a better and more available archive of your forums than you do? Thats just a -bit- sad.

But, what REALLY annoys me isn't the large guides going away, but those tiny little threads of someone asking "Hey, where does -this- drop" and someone responding where, or someone asking "is -this- bugged" and someone responding "no, you have to do -this-." It's going to take months if not years to build back up to the level where the forums have these FAQ threads, as the only people missing them are the new players who now have to figure it out for themselves or depend on the sometimes foggy memories of older players (making the game harder for new players, pro move frogster.)

I realize that this is all complaining about whats already happened and probably wont change anything. But why should people be working hard posting guides if frogster doesn't even appreciate them enough to not delete them.

The point is not that this was not a monumentally dumb thing. Even if you wanted to update the guides, addon info etc, with a competition for diamonds, you could do this without removing the old ones. And for such things as Midknight's (there's a typo in your name by the way) thread and other unique things are gone for no real good reason, and that doesn't even to start to cover info on quests that are as unchanging as the majority of forum users to be reasonable rational beings.

The point is that retrieving the old threads is not possible. Now perhaps with enough complaints, that not possible might turn to not feasible to feasible, but when someone says that 'this is not possible' I am inclined to believe them; particularly when there is nothing to be done even if they are lying.

For as long as Frogster maintain that the threads are not available, you have two choices - help collect more data, or not. It depends largely on how you feel about the game community. Frogster as publisher are part of the community. Do you wish to enrich it, for the good of all, or do you want to complain, throw tantrums and achieve nothing?