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Saturday, February 1st 2014, 10:14pm

Abnormal amount of crashing

The past few days I've decided hey, why not blow off some steam and SW with some of the friends I have left here, even if I'm not playing religiously like I used to. Unfortunately, it seems the game doesn't want to let me do that. Just last night I crashed over 9 times during the course of a single siege war. This is awful. My settings are at the lowest they'll possibly go. This never used to happen with my Laptop, I was unfortunate to crash even once or twice.

Siege is practically unplayable like this, when I quite literally crash every 4-5 minutes. I don't know if there's anything in my DXDIAG that could explain it. I have the clean mem thing everyone says to get, and it's set up to clear like every 5 minutes, so I just don't understand why the crashing issue has gotten so much worse than it ever was before.

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Saturday, February 1st 2014, 10:50pm

client version, when did u last do a full reinstall, what addons are u using?

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Saturday, February 1st 2014, 10:58pm

Whatever the hell the current version is, a month and a half ago, all of them.
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Sunday, February 2nd 2014, 1:02am

One of my guildies has been crashing in siege a lot too lately. I haven't crashed in siege in over half a year (for some reason I start crashing as soon as I say this, every time >.>).
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Sunday, February 2nd 2014, 8:30am

I might honestly be your addons, specifically the ones that actually display info. If you can, hide as many of them as possible. Not necessarily un install them, jut make itso they dont render unless u need them.

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Sunday, February 2nd 2014, 11:11am

Have noticed a lot more crit errors recently. Mainly when we are going to get the enemies crystal and are camped in there castle or they are gonna get ours and camped in ours. Idk why could just be the mass of players in a single area but lag is crazy anyway.
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Sunday, February 2nd 2014, 8:46pm

That doesn't make any sense though. I've had the same addons for years. Why would they just now suddenly cause me to crash? On a BETTER computer?


I might honestly be your addons, specifically the ones that actually display info. If you can, hide as many of them as possible. Not necessarily un install them, jut make itso they dont render unless u need them.
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 12:12am

That doesn't make any sense though. I've had the same addons for years. Why would they just now suddenly cause me to crash? On a BETTER computer?


I might honestly be your addons, specifically the ones that actually display info. If you can, hide as many of them as possible. Not necessarily un install them, jut make itso they dont render unless u need them.
I've read a lot of posts where people upgrade their computer to a better one, and crash more (but get more FPS).
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 4:46pm

On my old XP single core, I never (well infrequently, like once a month or so) crash, but then again I only get like 5FPS. On my relatively new quad core I7, I crash frequently (like once an hour), but hey I get 50FPS so there's that

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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 5:46pm

It's not client / addon related. I run this game in 4 different places and I tried fresh install / addon free and it only get worst. Yesterday crashed 3 times in less than 5 min. Usually when enter battle displays above your head, this is happening since juice festival.

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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 8:29pm

.... I have the clean mem thing everyone says to get, and it's set up to clear like every 5 minutes, so I just don't understand why the crashing issue has gotten so much worse than it ever was before......


Hi Borella *waves* :D

I found that the CleanMem thing running every 5 minutes actually makes things WORSE than not having one at all.

With the CleanMem cleaning every 5 minutes I could crash every ~15-20 minutes, and the better your computer the worse it seems to be.

...I uninstalled the CleanMem utility and installed a different one and set it to run every 15 minutes and I can usually push around an hour and a half without crashing.

I've heard/seen/used two of them out there:

http://www.pcwintech.com/cleanmem - This one actually installs into your Task Scheduler instead of handling the timing through it's own program. It seems to work a bit better. If I'm not in SW I can push 2-2.5 hours without a crash (my settings are low-mid range with view distance in the mid-high range). It also comes with a small utility toolbar thing that you can double click to clean right then and there.

http://www.koshyjohn.com/software/memclean/ - This is the one that I think everyone recommends that had caused me nothing but problems. When I had it installed it would cause more crashes then before. I would honestly suggest staying away from this one while you're running RoM. It's a GREAT utility for cleaning out the system cache though, and reducing the load on your RAM.

I noticed that it might be an addon thing. I heard a rumour that the CharPlan add-on was causing a lot of people a LOT of grief, so I removed it. Don't get kicked to login quite as much as before. Not sure if that's coincidental as I removed it just as the mail/AH lag started to go away...not sure if they're related or not.

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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 11:41pm

Saturday night I tried to do it again. I didn't even make it into siege war this time. Logged in, got buffs, ate food, went into siege and crashed not 10 seconds after being in there. There's something wrong with that.
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 11:45pm

Just ran tests again, crashed 4 times during my dailies on Sarlo, again fresh windows and game install, addon free. I just noticed that that happens more often on my AMD machine and less on Intel machines I have, even so still happens.

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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 12:39am


I noticed that it might be an addon thing. I heard a rumour that the CharPlan add-on was causing a lot of people a LOT of grief, so I removed it. Don't get kicked to login quite as much as before. Not sure if that's coincidental as I removed it just as the mail/AH lag started to go away...not sure if they're related or not.
I installed charplan a few months back and still have never crashed since. So I don't think its Charplan, unless it effects everyone differently.
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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 7:03am

I crash a lot.

WTB addon the can pinpoint what addon / textures are making rom unreliable (or program).


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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 10:11am

I've been playing for about 4 years now on the same rig. I have a Core2Duo 6Gb RAM and a GTX280. Only thing I have changed is video card used to be a 9800GTX+. I generally get 50+ fps and 40+ in lag zones like Dalanis. Keep in mind I run 3 toons on this comp at the same time. Hell I do color boss in HoS with all 3. 38 Add-ons according to curse...
And I rarely crash. It is my experience the higher end your comp the more crashing you do...
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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 10:43pm

Yeah, pretty much. Have a friend who plays on a pretty low laptop.... never crashes.

That being said, I play with an i5 3470, 8gb of RAM and an amd r9 270x.

I also think playing the game with the highest texture setting makes you crash more. I don't play with them low unless its in siege. I do not like playing games that look that poor.


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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 10:48pm

RoM is not optimized for multi-core processors...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

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Wednesday, February 5th 2014, 10:57am

My settings are at the lowest they'll possibly go.
Are you also using a relatively small window size?

When I switched to a new computer with a new screen I had to switch from a smaller to a bigger window size. It was no real choice - on the lowest window size any text on screen is basically illegible in my case... This increased number of crashes significantly. :(
Generally,
* memory usage is the thing that causes 99% of crashes;
* people seem to have less memory usage problems if RoM is run in a window and not full screen;
* try choosing as smaller window size; this decreases resources needed.

Definitely - get one of the memory cleaners (see above). Which one will work better for you seems to be random - just try out each of them for a few days. You might want to configure memory belonging to what programs and how often should be cleaned (I recall people reporting that e.g. sometimes a buggy wifi stopped working if it was cleaned - once they restrained the mem cleaning to rom binaries things worked). You will also get an option to clean manually - it might be worth it to run this e.g. after snooping - it is still more convenient than relogging after a crash!

I myself use window size considerably larger than the minimum (but still - not full screen!); otherwise: all sliders on absolute minimum, except for the view distance set just bellow 1/4 of the slider; all shadows etc. turned off. Memory cleaner runs every 5 minutes, but I run it additionally manually after logging in and after almost every snoop jump. With these settings I do crash but rarely enough to enjoy the game; still - RoM is ugly as hell. I tried a few times to see if I can kick any of the sliders a bit to the right but gave up fast. Pity - graphics and effects are really nicely designed! RoM could be pretty pretty - just not for me...

Oh, and before the model policy was changed I was using the limited models which just removed many visual effects. I lost the animation of a fireball, but I was able to increase texture details a bit and still get limited crashes. RoM looked nicer, and it made also _huge_ difference e.g. during SW in areas full of fire towers. Frankly - pity that these models are strictly illegal now as well. :(

That doesn't make any sense though. [...] Why would they just now suddenly cause me to crash? On a BETTER computer?
Yep, it's consistent with what other people report. RoM crashes more on newer computers...

One thing is the window size - when moving to a new computer you just tend to switch to higher resolution without noticing, lol.

/start Offtop/guessing:
But there could be a few other reasons I can think of:
- less probable: "optimistic memory allocation" - basically all operating systems (this includes newest windows) lie to programs about how much memory is available; programs need to have protections in places where they use memory and not in places where they request it from the system (and the RW programmers might have missed that); but e.g. on my computer it cannot be the problem by itself - there is memory enough;
- more probable: there is 2GB memory limit for 32 bit programs; on older system there might simply be not enough memory to reach this limit; RoM would try to allocate some extra, Windows would say "no-no", and RoM would restrain itself (hey! it _can_ do this!); you might end up with some texture not loaded etc but the 2GB memory limit would not be reached because simply there was not enough memory to reach it; on a newer system you have memory enough; RoM says "gimme more", Windows says "here you go", and ... 2GB is exceeded, RoM happily crashes;
- some weird combination of the OS memory management vs RoM; basically, in modern OSes there is much more happening dynamically; you want more memory? OS might at this moment decide that your program should use now a different place in memory and move everything, for example; and within RoM there could be some leftovers from the olden days, not expecting such manipulations on the OS side...
/end Offtop/guessing

But all this is simply guessing. It's clear that on newer computers RoM crashes more. Pity - also for GF who is loosing good clients with money (if they bought new computers, they should have money for dias - and these are the guys who will leave first if the crashes are not fixed! :hint: :hint: ). And obviously it's hard to attract new people. Anyone who played any beautiful contemporary game will not want to spend hours with RoM on the lowest graphics settings (and even then still crash occasionally). It would be nice to hear at least from GF if there is anything being done about this at all...
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Wednesday, February 5th 2014, 5:08pm

And like I said 3 toons on two 22" monitors. Window mode then maximize main with 2 smaller windows on other monitor.
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