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A friend was selling dias but instead of sending a gift to the buyer he sent it to me...

The right guy won't get the gift, but if there is any choice it would be better that the one who spent dias could get the item (instead of me). You cannot return such mail (even though the sender name is correctly filled in).

But the question is what will happen if I leave the mail not collected for 3 days? Will the gift vanish, or will it be returned to the one who has paid for it?

And while we are on it: ANY NEWS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE TO DIAS ON AH:

Quoted from "Beren"

We are already working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again.

January 28th 2014, 11:18am - it has been said exactly 581 days, 11 hours and 31 minutes ago. Any news???? Or are we to wait for another 500+ days???

Even experienced players make mistakes, see above.

But even ignoring possible mistakes, IMHO, removing the dias from AH was one of the biggest disasters that has decimated the population of players. It made life so much harder both for p2p and f2p players. The original complains were about reselling: is there ANY reason why you don't enable selling bound dias on AH? It works at the places-which-one-may-not-mention-here, and it works fine there: noone complains about reselling etc. And since it works "there", it must be technically still supported and it should take exactly 5 seconds to enable it on GF servers, right?

Please, please, pretty please, bring back (bound if there is no other option) dias to AH! If you do this we will all love you forever.

Quoted from "Yrcanos"

Then he should contact Support and explain the situation.

Thanks.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

and the same manipulation will happen again

You mean posting 500+ auctions for 1 dia? Well, I think GMs won't even have extra work with banning such ppl - if you can only sell the dias you have paid for with real money you won't be risking a ban.

Quoted from "Borella"

It's well worth the flexibility of AH dias.

Exactly. As a f2p you collect some dias, and use them when there is a good promo. Nothing more annoying as a good promo passing by while you cannot find anyone to sell dias. And if you buy from friends there is quite a pressure to spend only on the most important items. I'm sure GF is loosing out on this - the total amount of dias spent would be higher if they were available on AH.

And the same for p2p players. Especially casual players who would not mind investing a bit, but won't spend hours and hours trying to sell dias through Trade/world chat.

The game has enormously slowed down since there are no dias on AH. For f2p making items takes longer and they may really have problems to buy more expensive IS items. Not to mention problems new players may have to find any seller. They can buy less, they move forward slower. Get annoyed and quit. For p2p - they don't have an easy way to get reasonable amount of gold for their real money. It's tedious, error-prone. They sell less, they move forward slower. Get annoyed and quit.

Honestly, look at the threads about people considering returning: here, on .eu forum, on .pl forum: no dias on AH is one of issues that comes back over and over again as a reason for not coming back.

Quoted from "MODRUNE01"

but there are other variables involved too that would cause even buying diamonds outside AH to go up in price.

There are several things here: on some servers there may still be some honor-bug gold (although hard to say how much). You have to consider how much you get just on one toon for dailes in the newest zone (500k, I believe? with dias at 150k per it's 3 dias per day per toon! Not that much by itself, but not comparable with a situation 2 years ago). So, yeah, with a steady supply of gold injected into the economy the prices rise slowly anyway, just as MODRUNE01 suggests. It would probably happen faster with AH (hard to say how much faster), but I would say that such a raise (assuming no manipulation of prices) would just make the prices more realistic.

Honestly, I think on Saoraid, for example, part of the problem is that the prices did not raise fast enough. Look, I am f2p and .. I still wish the prices were higher. The problem is that with unreasonably low prices fixed by social pressure all you get is p2p players who get very little per dia (in terms of what they can buy for it). After a while they do realize this. They spent so much and ... selling turned out not worth it. In the best scenario they buy now dias just for their own needs. In the worst - they have quit. Either way, f2p get hurt too: instead of cheap dias they get less dias (or no dias at all)...

There were not that many people who have rage quit after dias were removed from AH, especially with the mitigating messages like the quote from Baren above. But after a while it is noticeable. Sure there is a matter of IS policy, +20, etc. Sure after a while some people must have been bored and it's natural that they started to look for something new. But on top of this there is plain inconvenience of lack of dias on AH and social pressure on unrealistically low prices.

At the end - hurting both f2p and p2p players.

(And yeah, even with dias on AH if you have a chance you will still buy cheap dias from friends, but they will also sell the other half for a reasonable price on AH and be that much happier. And if you are in a huge need for some immediate dias, more expensive dias on AH can be a life saver - expensive dias are better than no dias at all...)

PS/Edit: to the mods: was there something wrong with me getting cookies in support of the message? I kind of find it only moderately funny that one has to read the forum very fast and very often or else he will miss some posts...

Just wondering: could you (GF) at least indicate whether you are still considering the idea of putting bound dias on AH or some other dias trading?

I think it's quite clear that if f2p get directly access to dias there will be more dias spent in game (see recent thread about the wheel of plusers, the same for house energy or renting backpacks/mail; but even for things that can be gifted, there is no doubt ppl would spend more if they had dias available without the hassle of finding a seller). What is your (GF) internal position on this? Are you still

Quoted from "Beren"

working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again

?

There is probably plenty of possibilities. There used to be two pools of dias (bound and not bound), and probably this mechanics is still there in the code so this seems to be an easy way out [Edit: exactly what Magio is writing about - haven't seen your post before writing mine]. Otherwise - we can come with 1000 ideas, but we cannot judge which one is easier to implement.

Prices:

What I would like to hear here is some response from GF: originally you guys wrote a bold statement that you are already "working on alternative method to enable to trade diamonds again". Well, how is this work going? Is it still somewhere at the top of your priorities?

No reply?

Dear GF, are you still working on an "alternative method to enable [us] to trade diamonds again"? Why did it take 2.5 years? What is the status? Is the solution chosen and you are working full-speed to implement it, or are you still not sure what to choose?



Cenre is right that packets in IS are not as flexible as simple dias on AH, but still I think such packets in IS would be the simplest solution.

Quoted from "Rougetopriest"

Quoted from "Magío"

P.S. There's several different amounts of dias

Problem with that COULD be, once they are right-clicked, what happens, they are just added to the players dias currency and then they would then be able to re-sell via gifting at a higher amount :p So the game would need some way to differentiate bought and bound dias.

If it was an IS item sold for example for 1100 dias for a package of 1000 dias it would
* block reselling (if you worry so much) - you don't even need to bind any dias! 10% costs would kill any reselling right away!
* but still give access to f2p to have dias in their purse available at any moment they'd need them
* and give p2p a way to sell bigger amount of dias without inconvenience of spending half a day advertising and then clicking a million times to choose items and send each of them to correct people...
* increase GF profit (because of p2p buying extra dias for RL money to sell them as a gift to f2p for game gold)

True: not as flexible as dias on AH but soooo much better than what we have now. And must be super simple for GF: really, just add to IS a couple items that actually already exist in the game!