Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "zidlef"

you can have the items gifted to you by those who actually spends real money to support the game. How is this so hard to understand? still puzzles me

Quoted from "Cenre"

Some reasons have already been listed above, stocking diamonds or good sales, allowing access to rental functions, and most recently, it allows players the chance to buy the items that arent multisendable with the new itemshop

Zid, recent example: I have just made a UD aula set. I need golden hammers. Two weeks ago there was a sale that in my time zone lasted from Sunday 4 PM till Monday 4 PM, with no dia promo at the same time. On Sunday evening I didn't manage to find anyone online willing to sell dias. On Monday I was at work. Cool, I will be running in not-HD items, GF did not earn on this hammers promo as much as they would have if I could have some dias simply in my purse.

It's all about flexibility and ease. Everyone gets hurt
* f2p need to go through bothering friends, spamming Trade etc. any time they need the smallest item from IS; this ends up with buying only the most needed things;
* p2p who really would like to shortcut the time they want to spend in game by spending real money and getting in-game gold are discouraged by the fact that they need to advertise; sometimes they may need gold at a slow hour and cannot find a buyer right away (and will miss a needed item on AH, for example); sometimes it is the other way around - they get 50 whispers about small gifts; there are so many players I know (and I'm sure you know too) who simply stopped buying dias for real money to sell in game for share inconvenience of this process; some of them just buy for themselves (or you have to beg them), some ... have just quit.
* and altogether less dias is spent and GF looses revenue too!

And just think of people who play at unusual hours or are usually busy during weekends. They can even find a PUG for an ini, get to know other people who play at these hours and have fun. But to sell any dias if you are p2p or to buy any dias if you are f2p is even more difficult for them.

Dias on AH are pure convenience mainly because the buyer and the seller do not have to be online at the same time. And would be always available, even if more expensive than buying from a friend (which you are still not forbidden to do if there is a different option!).

Packets of dias as an IS item in IS are not as convenient as AH, but still they would solve the main problem: f2p would need to find a seller once at any calm moment convenient for us both, buy a larger amount, and have later dias available when we need them without stress and inconvenience of trying to find a seller at that particular moment.

Plus for some things (e.g. renting mobile mailbox) you do need your own dias.

But I said it all before, if you didn't bother to read then you probably won't read now...

Quoted from "Uure"

Quoted from "Borella"

It's well worth the flexibility of AH dias.

Exactly. As a f2p you collect some dias, and use them when there is a good promo. Nothing more annoying as a good promo passing by while you cannot find anyone to sell dias. And if you buy from friends there is quite a pressure to spend only on the most important items. I'm sure GF is loosing out on this - the total amount of dias spent would be higher if they were available on AH.

And the same for p2p players. Especially casual players who would not mind investing a bit, but won't spend hours and hours trying to sell dias through Trade/world chat.

The game has enormously slowed down since there are no dias on AH. For f2p making items takes longer and they may really have problems to buy more expensive IS items. Not to mention problems new players may have to find any seller. They can buy less, they move forward slower. Get annoyed and quit. For p2p - they don't have an easy way to get reasonable amount of gold for their real money. It's tedious, error-prone. They sell less, they move forward slower. Get annoyed and quit.

Honestly, look at the threads about people considering returning: here, on .eu forum, on .pl forum: no dias on AH is one of issues that comes back over and over again as a reason for not coming back.

Borella, ”are”???

It's just zid. We all know him and love him (and his rants and thread derails), don't we?

Quoted from "zidlef"

Also some of those sellers tells me they won't sell to anyone else

So... how the fact that YOU have old friends YOU can buy dias from is in your eyes defeating the argument that many people cannot???? (Or at least - sometimes cannot on short notice at the moment when they need it.)

Quoted from "zidlef"

I voice my opinions right or wrong but still right in my views and opinions.

Maybe it's just the way you word it, but the way you stated it the only (albeit a bit formal) reaction has to be: I don't care about your opinions, I do care about your arguments supporting them. If you know me a bit you know I like argumentation (maybe even too much ). If we state our feelings we will simply disagree and that's it. If we start looking at details/possible outcomes etc. - we may actually convince each other.

As long as there is a thread about the fact that f2p have a problem with finding a seller, and you jump in with a statement that YOU don't have such a problem although you do hear from your sellers that they don't sell to anyone else ... well, I do reserve a right to call it a derailing rant not bringing anything to the discussion. I don't think it's "ridicule", it's calling it as it is.

Quoted from "zidlef"

a thank you, a hello, how are you etc goes a long way

Just to make it clear: I try to be always polite to people I interact with in-game (not always on the forum though ). Why do you assume you need to give this kind of advice? How this kind of looking down on us is not a trolling with the only effect being heating up the thread without bringing anything substantial to the subject?

For me the problem is: we say there is a problem with the ease f2p can get/spend diamonds. If it was made easier f2p would spend more, p2p would earn more gold and GF would earn more real money. Game would speed up for everyone again and we would be in a better place. You want to support the game by more dias being sold by GF - well, that's one of the ways. No one said gifting does not work or that it should be blocked. If everyone can buy dias for gold (on AH or as an IS package gift) it still does not block YOU from getting YOUR gifts from YOUR friends, does it? So why would you be against an alternative form (bound dias on AH or as an IS package) that does not hurt or block in any way the personal-interactive way you like????

Quoted from "zidlef"

Unless the diamonds would be BOUND on AH purchases, i hope we never see them again in the AH

YES! COOL! Can we take it as a statement that you would not have anything against BOUND dias on AH or bound packets of (unbound) dias in IS?

Just bumping the thread with another example. Last week there was dias promo. Some people wanted to sell dias, clearly they wanted to invest RL money if they found more buyers. They kept advertising over and over again, I read this: they didn't find enough buyers. But this weekend with the +20% str/dex pot, the Trade and world looked like this
=> people desperately looking for dias to buy.

Yes, those who buy dias for RL money could have bought more during the dias promo and keep to sell during the IS promo. But clearly - they did not (and we have seen this in the past: people buy extra dias for sell if they can sell them right away).

I DON'T GET THIS.

The way it should look like is:
* dias promo: f2p could buy dias from p2p; and they would if they could; p2p could sell more so they would buy more for RL money from GF
* IS promo: f2p buy for the dias bought beforehand from p2p (effectively: from GF), without stress of missing a promo

But for this to work players need to TRADE DIAS, not just as gifts.

So how it failed (again) was:
* dias promo: f2p didn't have anything unique or special to buy right away; p2p couldn't sell too much dias right away so they got only little dias for RL money
* IS promo: f2p would like to get the pots, but ... there was no one with extra dias (well, not in the amounts needed to stack enough pots)

f2p didn't get pots and will be 20% weaker in runs.
p2p didn't get gold for dias (which they clearly wanted: there were several continuous advertisements during the dia promo!)
most importantly: GF sold LESS dias for RL money.

I really, really don't get it why GF is so silent about the promised "alternative method to enable [us] to trade diamonds again"...

PS: dias for mems is an alternative that would to some extend solve the f2p part of the problem (and could have a great potential of attracting ppl to RoM again, and maybe this way indirectly benefiting GF as well) - so definitely thumbs up for that one. But enabling users to trade dias this way or the other would give an immediate direct benefit for GF upon even the first dias promo after such option will have appeared. That's why I so totally don't get why there is no movement visible in this direction...

PPS: and no, I didn't get any transformation pots in this promo