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Friday, January 6th 2012, 1:23am

Daily Quest Courtesy?

This has only happened to me once but it still left me feeling really angry. I was doing the Guard Dog Meat daily the other day and was about halfway done with getting everything I needed. Another player entered the area and then proceeded to one-shot everything in sight before I even had a chance to target anything. They basically took over the entire area and I had to switch to a different channel just so I keep working on the daily. Where is the courtesy?

Dailies don't take horribly long to do, so if someone is already in the area and doing it (farming is a whole 'nother story) then why not just let them have their time and when they're finished take over? I try to let everyone know in zone chat that I'm done with my dailies when I get 100 and if there's someone already in the area across all channels I will flat-out ask them how far along they are. Most of the time they're almost done anyway and I'll just go do something else for a few minutes while they finish up.

Then there are just some minor annoyances like when someone is just passing by and they'll kill a pack of freshly spawned enemies, depriving me of the daily I was working on and of the time it then takes for the enemies to respawn. It's nowhere near as bad as people that blatantly take over the area you're working on but it still happens enough of the time to make me miffed. If someone came into the area and told me, "I need a couple dog meat to finish off a stack for the daily. Can I just grab a few kills?" I would have no quams about it.

What's everyone's perspective on courtesy pertaining to dailies. To my knowledge the only dailies in which these problems seem to arise are Guard Dogs and Butterflies but people must have some kind of stance on this kind of thing. Let's hear it.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 1:53am

just join the butterfly raid.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 2:25am

Why don't you join a butterfly raid? It is a kill daily so if enough people you only have to kill 1 or 2 butterflies per quest. Some days you don't have to kill any for a quest complete and some days shock horror you have to kill all 5 yourself.

Lot easier than dog meat. People are not going to allow others to lay claim to a public resource so you are not going to get everyone putting their dailies on hold so you can do yours uninterrupted.

Take both butterfly and dog meat. Kill a few dogs while travelling to/from the butterflies. If all goes well you have enough dog meat so only have to do butterflies 8 or 9 times. Take the kill quest for the shadows (whatever they are called) at the top of the garden so if someone in the raid is killing them you get a free quest complete while doing the butterflies.

To me that is far more preferable than fighting for dog meat.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 2:55am

One possible way to avoid this grievance in the future is to code enough mobs in the area to spawn for each individual player, say 1-2 per player at a time, and assign the mob to that player.

For instance, player A can only target and kill mobs with a blue aura/effect around them. Any other color (green, purple, yellow, etc.) won't work until the designated player either logs out or leaves the attack radius, at which point the mob is randomly assigned to another player.

Never going to happen, but just an idea.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 3:09am

I would agree that it's incredibly annoying to have someone come in and just take over your area, especially in the Inferno Gardens. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem, like you said, if someone said "I need some, too. Mind if we share?" or something other than just stealing my kills. Yes, it's just a game, but it's also rude.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 3:48am

Quoted from "two22222;499614"

Yeah OP, how dare they come to the same area you are in and try to do the same thing you are trying to do? The nerve of some people to think they can just go do their dailies while Strokk is trying to do his! Seriously? People should just alter their schedule to better suit yours? If you don't want other people to interfere with what you are trying to do, MMORPGs might not be the best type of game for you.


Way to take what I said and interpret it in the poorest of ways. I'm just saying that people should more often operate off a sense of courtesy. If someone else is already there and working on the daily, then let them finish and then take over when they're done. It's not hard to do and it prevents frustrating "wars" over kills.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 3:59am

There aren't many of these mobs in the first place. It was stupid of them to make such a great exp daily with such a tiny amount of killable mobs, but it is what it is. You can't really expect that people will just let you kill all of them and keep them to yourself when they can use the dailies too. It's not like it's an uncommon daily...those are the best 4 dailies for exp in the game, aside from one or two in higher level zones. It's a crowded area on any given day.

As others said...just deal with it or do the butterfly daily, which is incredibly easy compared to fighting over dogs.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 5:03am

Yes, just do butterflys - anyway Dog Meat is best sold if you are new to the game because nothing will make you as much money (or cause more brain damage).

I used to think having the dogs and the resulting bad competition for the kills was crazy and I too fell into the trap of getting bent out of sorts when peeps were rude. But, over time I feel a bit differently since you have choices - and it is your choice to do battle over the meat. I think it is a test of one's character to not allow the jerks to jade you on the game, and just because some peeps are idiots it is not a license to do it yourself. Food for thought.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 5:19am

and the answer is:

Each reply had allot of merit to it.
It is like real life. Some guys will open a door for a lady or elderly and some will simply run in front and go on in.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 5:37am

Just do butterflies... easier, faster, not as stressful.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 5:47am

easy fix make guard dog meat bound then people wont be able to farm them for gold just my opinion
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 6:03am

Quoted from "timthum;499640"

easy fix make guard dog meat bound then people wont be able to farm them for gold just my opinion


Like I said though, dealing with players that are farming is different. You can't really tell a farmer you'll wait for them to finish because that won't ever truly happen, not until they finally decide to get off. My OP focused just on people doing the daily.
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And now for the question: since I'm generally new to the higher level dailies and therefore not 100% privy to their inner workings; what are butterfly groups? I understand it at only the most basic level, which is a group of players that kill for the butterfly daily. Beyond that, my comprehension of it is low. Can anyone please explain it to me in more detail?
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 6:04am

Quoted from "Strokk;499624"

If someone else is already there and working on the daily, then let them finish and then take over when they're done. It's not hard to do and it prevents frustrating "wars" over kills.


Well, there are some people who don't have the luxury of coming back later. If I go to do my dailies and someone else is there, I have 2 options: Do dailies anyway, fighting over the mobs, or don't do dailies at all that day since my hours of play are limited. Some of us have lives outside of RoM, and responsibilities that prevent us from coming back to do dailies when it is convenient for you.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 6:18am

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Well, there are some people who don't have the luxury of coming back later. If I go to do my dailies and someone else is there, I have 2 options: Do dailies anyway, fighting over the mobs, or don't do dailies at all that day since my hours of play are limited. Some of us have lives outside of RoM, and responsibilities that prevent us from coming back to do dailies when it is convenient for you.


The way I see it, doing the dailies and fighting for kills wastes more time than waiting for about 30 minutes. If someone comes and starts stealing my kills when I only need about 5 more before I'm done for the day, it just prolongs the time I'm in that area and causes both the other player and me to waste our time. You could also apply that with me being the one to intrude upon another player needing 5 more. Also, just throwing this out there, if someone was so swamped by outside responsibilities why waste a good half an hour doing something so repetitive for experience in a game they don't often have time to play?
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 6:31am

Quoted from "two22222;499645"

Well, there are some people who don't have the luxury of coming back later. If I go to do my dailies and someone else is there, I have 2 options: Do dailies anyway, fighting over the mobs, or don't do dailies at all that day since my hours of play are limited. Some of us have lives outside of RoM, and responsibilities that prevent us from coming back to do dailies when it is convenient for you.


Your 1st original reply was very rude and a load of troll crap. This reply sounds like your trying to save face. If your time is so limited, then butterflies and squeezing in a few dog kills while running back and forth would take a lot less time. 1 butterfly kill = 1 item down in a quest where you only need 5 kills. So that a 100% success rate for only 5 kills needed. Compared to killing 10 dogs at a 90% or less drop rate for dog meat. If you were to come into an area i was farming and said you need some mobs for questing, i would gladly give up some ground for you to get your dailies done. But thats just me. If your having to fight for mobs in an area populated by one or two other people and they wont give up any ground, then you should feel right at home playing with players just like yourself.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 6:51am

honestly if u can manage them, its better to do the anteater dailies in redhill, the turn in is only 205k or so but theres so many of them, they spawn fast, and they drop items for 2 different dailys, so u can farm a stack of one item for ur daily turn in, and u can ah the other stack, no they dont get as much as dogs, only about half the going price, but, u get good tp and xp off the kills vs dogs, where, at lvl 70 they give u zip. the tp and xp from grinding on them makes up for the lower turn in i imagine.

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as far as the dogs, it would help if they spawned as fast as those damn mages around the circles. u can literally stand there, purg fire, count to 3 and there back, purg fire, count to 3.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 8:28am

This is so funny in a way. I hardly ever do dogmeat, I hate that whole area and usually do the pangos out in Redhill just because of stuff like the OP was describing.

That said, I have my own personal code that I adhere to, and I ask my guildies to adhere to it also, although they don't always.

If someone is farming a spot, change channels until you find an empty one. They were there first, so they get "custody" per se.

When I do farm dogmeats I usually do it on my little r/s alt, cause she gets a much better drop rate and it just feels less silly than doing a level 50 daily on a level 70 toon. If someone comes and ganks my spot I usually just sigh and change channels til I find an empty one.

My husband, who has a little d/m, farms dogs daily, and he has come up with some interesting strategies to combat the spot "gankers." He dances at them until they go away. It's so funny to watch too, because when he first agreed to play (to spend time with me lol) I rolled him a big burly manly toon. He played it for about 10 minutes, and as soon as I had my back turned he rolled a super sexy elf with big ol' torpedo tits... men ;).

So here's this teeny lowbee druid wearing next to nothing, and he's minding his own business, and some big mean endgamer comes along and steals his dogs right? He waltzes up to them and starts dancing and dancing.... It must be the bouncing pixel boobies, cause they almost always change the channel and let him alone lol lol lol.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 8:35am

People always fight over desirable spots. They fought over sprigs when that was the hot ticket. They fought over puppet room. They are fighting over dogs now. Really, highly sought spots and limited resources will cause that.

You can get mad at the people who are doing this, but it is not going to do any good. Kill stealing is a bad form, but only thing you can do is complain to guild officer of the offender, and that will very likely not work at all.

People are discourteous. They kill steal. They leach in butterfly raids. Heck, if I could get half of them to loot their <bleep>ing kills so the butterflies respawn at decent rate, and I dont have to run over 5 or 6 unlooted decaying bodies before seeing a first butterfly, I'd be happier than pig in mud.

They really do need to nerf those dailies. They are bad, bad bad idea. But that will just move the perpetrators to whatever 2nd best is ATM.
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 8:40am

now as i suggested if daily quest items could not be sold it would eleiminate alot of this problem in my eyes the selling of these items promotes laziness
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Friday, January 6th 2012, 8:54am

A few points here.

Sorry but imho expecting to have sole rights for 100 dog meat, probably 120+ kills is farming.

I do not KS, by that I mean try to hit before someone that is obviously about to attack a dog but I will & do attack any dogs that are not actually being engaged.

Do all 4 dailies that are available, saves a lot on aggro because you will get in less peoples way.

Just killing dogs in passing means it may at times be a couple days to get a single handin, works for me.

Finally, in the time it takes you to farm 100 dog meat I have most likely done my dailies & 4 mini-games.
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