Why I do not Like RoM

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 7:08pm

The reasons I do not like this system. I have leveled a few toons to 10/10 and you may say I haven't played it enough but, I've played several games over many years and I speak from my personal point of view.

The first reason is gear. All class combos suffer from this. The reason is you need 2 sets of gear. While some class combos might be able to wear leather/leather they still suffer from level restrictions. One combo I tried was K/P and when leveling the Priest secondary I needed to drop my current chain and 2 handed weapon for level 1 cloth and a stick.

While this isn't bad at level 1-10 I can see it being a problem when I want to tank and need to level my secondary Priest at level 45 in cloth with a stick. I want a Pally I don't want to level a cloth class. Why should I have to have 2 sets of gear? Sure some people may want to have heal and tank gear but, some people don't.

I feel gimped leveling both the primary and the secondary. I feel I am leveling 2 separate toons. Why be a level 10/10 K/P when I could be a level 16 Pally? I can wear plate and heal without needed to go a a frickin npc to swap classes. This should be an out of combat option.

You may say well it gives you variety? REALLY? 90% of everyone playing "or more" will pick up good spells. For instance "regeneration" is a frickin great spell. At least at low levels. You would be a tard if you didn't put all your points into it. So people that play a lot will ultimately stick with good builds. Those builds might be slightly different most will be very very close to the same.

Sooo my point is I would rather play "1" class that is what it is. A Pally is a Knight/Priest so why do I need to level a knight then a priest? This game wouldn't be so bad if I could split my XP. If I wanted to level Knight more I could split my XP 70/30 or if I wanted to heal more I could level 40/60. I hate going back to the same zone and leveling on the same spiders and bats.

The only up side is waiting to turn in all quests in after swapping classes then leveling your secondary with quest XP but, I see this option going away or slowing down at higher levels.

ATM I am going to go back to playing a single class toon that has the ability to wear class specific armor, doesn't need to ask permission to change classes, doesn't need to carry low level alt gear to level up, can use all spells he has earned with xp, and levels quicker since I don't need to retrace my foot steps.

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barbrady123

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 7:22pm

Just sounds like this isn't the game for you...don't know what else to say. There isn't really a true "paladin" in this game, and it sounds like you're dead set on playing one.

Technically you don't have to play two classes or use two sets of gear if you don't want to...you'll just have an unnecessarily gimped toon (who still won't be a paladin). Just as I think the 3-class system is pointless (in it's current incarnation at least) some may think the 2-class system is as well.

You do have other options if you don't want to gear your secondary class though. You can just do all your questing on your primary side and turn in quests on your secondary (if you keep them within 10 levels of each other). Or, only level your secondary with dailies/experience orbs.

"That other game" has a pretty decent paladin class (or it did like 5 years ago LOL)...that may work better for you?

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 7:32pm

i dont believe that that the classes are balanced well in this game BUT the elite skills are definatly worth looking into as they can add a whole new element to your class

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Matthew68

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 7:36pm

Personally I like a challenge in a game and not have everything right there. In this game I feel you have to actually learn your character and abilities of all the possible combinations you can do. Last night I actually had a well known Mage/Warrior on Reni tell me my Mage/Druid combo was /fail. I didn't reply anything nasty because honestly that is his opinion. I happen to like the combo and just because it's not the highest DPS out there, it does offer good backup and support. I didn't hear him complaining as I healed his almost dead character when he was cursed in DoD and couldn't move. So yes, while I couldn't be as effective as he in the DPS department I still feel I did what I set out to do with my character and feel confident in my choice of character selection and wouldn't change just because the DPS is just slightly lacking. The beauty of RoM is that you aren't limited to cookie-cutter character combinations, you are able to develop specific roles given the type of play you would like.

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:00pm

I love the two/three class combination aspect of RoM. It's one of the many things that originally drew me to this game.

And I honestly hated "that other game", but it seems like that's what you want so i suggest you go back to it.

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ddpmacho

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:11pm

Quoted from "FoulPet;500187"

One combo I tried was K/P and when leveling the Priest secondary I needed to drop my current chain and 2 handed weapon for level 1 cloth and a stick.

Why in God's name would you need to drop your chain and 2H weapon?
That makes no sense at all.

What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:12pm

Quoted from "Matthew68;500198"

Personally I like a challenge in a game and not have everything right there. In this game I feel you have to actually learn your character and abilities of all the possible combinations you can do. Last night I actually had a well known Mage/Warrior on Reni tell me my Mage/Druid combo was /fail. I didn't reply anything nasty because honestly that is his opinion. I happen to like the combo and just because it's not the highest DPS out there, it does offer good backup and support. I didn't hear him complaining as I healed his almost dead character when he was cursed in DoD and couldn't move. So yes, while I couldn't be as effective as he in the DPS department I still feel I did what I set out to do with my character and feel confident in my choice of character selection and wouldn't change just because the DPS is just slightly lacking. The beauty of RoM is that you aren't limited to cookie-cutter character combinations, you are able to develop specific roles given the type of play you would like.

While you state the truth about not being limited to "Cookie Cutter Classes" it's also a truth that the Non-Cookie Cutter classes are either "gimped" or nearly useless in SOME cases. That is also a flaw of this game. some combos just don't do much reguardless of how you gear or stat them. They will always play second fiddle to a Cookie cutter class. I have never heard anyone say...."OMG.....we have to find a R/d or R/p to run this instance or we will never make it through!!!" :eek:

Some classes/combos just can't do certain things and can only reach Novality at best. I can't take my K/r and make it a DPS no matter how much money/Daimonds I sink into it. I can make it better at DPS than any other K/r on the server but it will never be as good/better than a true DPS cookie cutter.:p

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:14pm

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Personally, I like the multi-class system.

Three toons in one, mix and match to benefit you current primary with some skills from your current secondary.

Not going to happen with three different toons. Either way you still have to level them and have 2 to 3 sets of equipment.

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:15pm

Quoted from "ddpmacho;500214"

Why in God's name would you need to drop your chain and 2H weapon?
That makes no sense at all.

You have to drop/switch gear because a Priest can't wear chain or wield a 2h sword.:p

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ddpmacho

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:21pm

Quoted from "squirrlee;500217"

You have to drop/switch gear because a Priest can't wear chain or wield a 2h sword.:p

Switch yes, drop no. OP said he/she had to drop it. Which makes no sense at all.

What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

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squirrlee

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:33pm

Drop...take off...remove...switch...change. I think it's rather clear what the OP was getting at. It's not like the gear was being abandoned or thrown away...never to be used again.

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ddpmacho

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:42pm

Well if the OP is a new player you can't say for sure that he/she wasn't throwing the gear away,which could be part of the frustration. Don't assume that because you understand how to switch gear that new players know how to. And no it wasn't clear exactly what he/she was doing with the gear. Dropped and switched mean to very different things.

What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:44pm

Quoted from "squirrlee;500215"

While you state the truth about not being limited to "Cookie Cutter Classes" it's also a truth that the Non-Cookie Cutter classes are either "gimped" or nearly useless in SOME cases. That is also a flaw of this game. some combos just don't do much reguardless of how you gear or stat them. They will always play second fiddle to a Cookie cutter class. I have never heard anyone say...."OMG.....we have to find a R/d or R/p to run this instance or we will never make it through!!!"

Some classes/combos just can't do certain things and can only reach Novality at best. I can't take my K/r and make it a DPS no matter how much money/Daimonds I sink into it. I can make it better at DPS than any other K/r on the server but it will never be as good/better than a true DPS cookie cutter.:p

K/R is a dodge tank, that's it's "role". All classes have "roles" and it's close to impossible to break out of them.

That's like saying I want to gear my R/S side for tanking, why the hell would anyone do that when anything with /K on it gains a ton more defense, or why not just go Knight or Warden for that matter. (Though Warden is one of the few classes that can actually become multiple 'roles', who knows why they made it that way compared to other classes)

Also not sure what you consider a Cookie-Cutter class, any class that has elites that are specifically designed towards it's 'role'?

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FoulPet

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 9:57pm

Quoted from "ddpmacho;500214"

Why in God's name would you need to drop your chain and 2H weapon?
That makes no sense at all.

I was leveling bare handed when my 2h sword was in the red slot. Guess I coulda picked up a bigger stick instead of a 1h.

My point is more that I should not have to put my sword in a bag because its level is higher or my secondary class can't use it. Whats the point of 2 classes if you are only 1 1/2 of a class most of the time?

Other than the fact you are needing twice the time to level 1 toon, the game is pretty fun. But I'd rather see my results a little quicker than playing musical chairs with my classes.

After several years of being away I'm lvling an inquisitor in another game and so far I like it. I didn't like the pally class in the other games.

I have a shadow knight, monk, mage, shammy, necromance, hunter, warlock ect.. I've leveled almost every class to 50-70 in several mmos.

I have never had to swap gear unless I was healing or needed resistance.

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FoulPet

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 10:10pm

Quoted from "Kefkai;500230"

K/R is a dodge tank, that's it's "role". All classes have "roles" and it's close to impossible to break out of them.

That's like saying I want to gear my R/S side for tanking, why the hell would anyone do that when anything with /K on it gains a ton more defense, or why not just go Knight or Warden for that matter. (Though Warden is one of the few classes that can actually become multiple 'roles', who knows why they made it that way compared to other classes)

Also not sure what you consider a Cookie-Cutter class, any class that has elites that are specifically designed towards it's 'role'?

Tried Wd/S and didn't like it. I wanted K/P for Plate and Regeneration with the bonus of getting mana back for free to cast heals.

I didnt plan on having to level in cloth 50% of the time. Guess they read old school D+D books on multiclass characters.

Only class worth playing IMHO are ones where the gear will work on both but, then gear is lvl capped so its a losing battle. GL Wearing a leet gear lvl 30 when your Secondary is lvl 25 or maybe you just like asking your maid to swap you every other level?

I know most of you don't care thats why your still here playing. Sorry but after I read this thread a few more times, I'm moving on.

Cookie means no need for all this special level this side then jump back and level the other side. Why not just call a duck a duck and level both together?

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 10:29pm

Quoted from "FoulPet;500233"

I was leveling bare handed when my 2h sword was in the red slot. Guess I coulda picked up a bigger stick instead of a 1h.

My point is more that I should not have to put my sword in a bag because its level is higher or my secondary class can't use it. Whats the point of 2 classes if you are only 1 1/2 of a class most of the time?

Other than the fact you are needing twice the time to level 1 toon, the game is pretty fun. But I'd rather see my results a little quicker than playing musical chairs with my classes.

After several years of being away I'm lvling an inquisitor in another game and so far I like it. I didn't like the pally class in the other games.

I have a shadow knight, monk, mage, shammy, necromance, hunter, warlock ect.. I've leveled almost every class to 50-70 in several mmos.

I have never had to swap gear unless I was healing or needed resistance.

You have two different gear "Screens" so to speak. In the character screen ( Push the (C) key on your keyboard) in the lower Right there is a 1 or 2. By clicking on that 1 or 2 you will access two different Gear screens. One is for Your Knight the other is for your Priest. The gear is kept there at all times reguardless of what one you are on. when you change to a different class you need to swap gear and do that by clicking the 1 or 2 in the character screen. This saves bag space and the trouble of switch every gear item one by one. this should have been explained by the NPC that you talked to when you got your second class.

Now beyond that......Yes you have basically 2 seperate toons the Priest/knight and the Knight/priest. They are very different than each other and do not share the same gear or experience/level/Talent points. They do share some general skills but nothing that is spicific to either class. The tabs in the skill screen show what skills are general and what are class spicific. The idea behind thet 2 seperate toons is you can play different roles with one toon by switching your combo. At later levels you will have the ability to have a 3rd class. I have K/R/P as my 3 classes but was a K/p to start out with and played that way all of chapter 3. The 3rd class was added in chapter 4 the one we are currently in. Now I play as K/r and the priest is pretty much non exsistant for me, But I can still play K/p if the mood fits me. So in Chapter 4 you basically have three toons that each need to be leveled as a main class, the second class is whatever you wish to play. you can only have 2 classes active at a time.

My class choices are....
K/p
K/r
P/k
P/r
R/k
R/p

so in essence I have 6 toons but only have to level 3... Knight/Rogue/Priest.

Hope this helped:p

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Matthew68

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 10:58pm

Clarifying Cookie-Cutter Classes

Lol seeing some of the posts i dun think people are understanding what I meant by Cookie-Cutter class - I meant in games where your class, skills, gear etc is pre-determined where there is not any room to make changes - Hope that clarifies things.

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mordsith69

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 11:06pm

Seems like your frustrations may be due to not fully understanding the system yet. With the click of a button u can auto-swap you knight gear to priest gear without having to take up any bag space for either sets.

I love the 3 class system because i can set up one class combo for tanking, another combo for DPS, and yet another combo for siege. Although i have many issues with the Knight class being nothing more than a guild castle decoration, i still like the fact i can play my warrior or scout in another capacity when needed. And the game gives you plenty of quests to get all you classes to endgame levels.

Hang in there, you may find it a lot more fun once you figure out all the switches and buttons.

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Silenteye7

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Sunday, January 8th 2012, 11:40pm

@OP

there are 3 or 4 different starting zones that will take you easily from 1 to 20 depending on your race... so you don't have to go back killing the same spiders and bats. It's not how the game was intended to be played, but it can be done that way if you really choose to. It's no wonder you dislike leveling your secondary if you're not following the other quest chains in the game. Head over to sacillia steepes and level your priest there, get a change of scenery and some new quests to explore... you might find out that you actually like your priest more in the end... I know that my priest is more entertaining than my knight (dps-wise)

And by the way, if you press "C" in game, to open the character profile menu... below your toon's display, in the bottom right you'll see a little circular arrow with a 1 on it... click it to swap to your second set of gear...

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