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+18273643 to OP. How dare RW not make a completely free game. You want a free game? Play windows solitaire.

I love this thread so much, I want to marry it and have little baby threads with it. I could not have said it better. Someone who spends no money on this game thinking that they should have all the advantages that other people pay hundreds, or even THOUSANDS of dollars to obtain is utterly ridiculous.

A. I don't appreciate having a label applied to me unless I've actually done something to deserve it. So please, don't lump me in with everyone else crying about getting 1 hit in Siege, or wanting other classes nerfed, as I've never called for a class nerf that I know of.

B. Endgame is expensive, yes. Spending a small fortune generally results in a better game play experience. Question is... in what is supposed to be a Free To Play game, and something that is marketed as such, is it truly worth the effort of spending hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars on?

That depends on the player. There are currently many valid complaints regarding the state of the game as it exists today, not the least of which is having paid for content that becomes broken or unusable through no fault of the player. (That thread about the boss who removes paid cash shop items and buffs comes to mind.)

Personally, I don't care one way or another who has spent more or less. I care about my own game progression. It's not my job to tell other people how to play, period, because how they choose to play is really none of my business (provided they're following the TOS).

Since this thread seems to be aiming somewhat at providing a better game experience overall for everyone, I have a few suggestions in that regard:

1. Don't treat others as anything other than how you would expect to be treated. We are all human, there isn't anyone among us who hasn't ever made a mistake, and some simple, common decency will take you a lot farther than hurling insults at random people.

2. Provide constructive criticism on what needs to change, and how.

3. Do yourself a favor, and step away from the game for an hour or two if you start getting upset or frustrated with it. It isn't worth the aggravation you'll cause both to yourself and to others if you decide to play after either of those feelings have occurred.

Quoted from "dexhunterz;505164"

+18273643 to OP. How dare RW not make a completely free game. You want a free game? Play windows solitaire.

Tried that, but Aces were too OP. They always got to be placed down first whenever they showed up. Meanwhile, they did a massive nerf to my Kings (who should be way more powerful, I mean come on, they are KINGS). But yeah, they can't be placed wherever they want, it has to be an open slot, or you have to wait for Ace->Queen to be placed down first before the King can even reach endgame.

The cards are not balanced at all, I'll see how the next solitaire patch goes though...hopefully those OP Ace-bladers get nerfed

Quoted from "LadyMacV;505190"

B. Endgame is expensive, yes. Spending a small fortune generally results in a better game play experience. Question is... in what is supposed to be a Free To Play game, and something that is marketed as such, is it truly worth the effort of spending hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars on?

Sometime around Chapter 2 I believe it was, they changed the front page from "Free to Play" to "No Monthly Charges" so once that happened it was obvious that anyone that was free to play would eventually have to sink some money in the game in order to progress in the eyes of this company. At that point they stopped marketing it as a free game but instead as a game that you don't have to pay as much to play (which we all know is not correct lol).

Quoted from "dexhunterz;505164"

You want a free game? Play windows solitaire.

You had to pay for windows, the computer it's played on, the moniter, and anything else attached to the computer, so it's not a free game

Quoted from "Quaffy2;505198"

Tried that, but Aces were too OP. They always got to be placed down first whenever they showed up. Meanwhile, they did a massive nerf to my Kings (who should be way more powerful, I mean come on, they are KINGS). But yeah, they can't be placed wherever they want, it has to be an open slot, or you have to wait for Ace->Queen to be placed down first before the King can even reach endgame.The cards are not balanced at all, I'll see how the next solitaire patch goes though...hopefully those OP Ace-bladers get nerfed

LOL awesomeness

Lol, I had to laugh at the idea you claim endgamers actually spend money on this game. Please name one player who runs current endgame content (ToSH HM) that actually buys diamonds with real money. No, they sell their drops to those who are still trying to reach endgame, and buy their diamonds off diamond sellers. The ones who actually support this game are still gearing up... and once they do reach endgame, I doubt they continue to buy diamonds themselves.

I completely agree with LadyMacV. I realized long ago that I will never be able to run current endgame content without dropping a fortune on gear. I'm fine with that. I play this game for fun... I don't need to be #1 in order to enjoy playing. I won't ever be able to run new content when it first comes out... but once new content becomes old content I'll get to enjoy it then.

Quoted from "Purre;505245"

Lol, I had to laugh at the idea you claim endgamers actually spend money on this game. Please name one player who runs current endgame content (ToSH HM) that actually buys diamonds with real money. No, they sell their drops to those who are still trying to reach endgame, and buy their diamonds off diamond sellers. The ones who actually support this game are still gearing up... and once they do reach endgame, I doubt they continue to buy diamonds themselves.

I completely agree with LadyMacV. I realized long ago that I will never be able to run current endgame content without dropping a fortune on gear. I'm fine with that. I play this game for fun... I don't need to be #1 in order to enjoy playing. I won't ever be able to run new content when it first comes out... but once new content becomes old content I'll get to enjoy it then.

Give up. Now.

I've spent more money on this game then I care to demonstrate, and have been end-game for far too long. If reni wasn't so behind in tosh progression (although noteworthy is catching up), I would definitely have a lot of gear to demonstrate end-game status.

End-gamers sell their gear to keep the game affordable in all honesty (you think pushing new content is free? yeh...right.). I have geared up 2 classes, and have spent >$1000 on this game. Other endgamers drop $100 like it is nothing.

Do not preach something you have no idea about.

Oh, although you'll just pull the "oh you're a forced retiree card". Grow up, and smell some roses.

I have played a few MMORPG's in my time, and I have to say that runes of magic is prolly going to cost me more money then all of them combined with their monthly fees etc. Am I complaining? NO..because I choose to play this game, I know it's going to cost some cash to play with the big boys some day, and I am fine with that. Rune Waker does not make you play or make you buy diamonds or anything of the sort. They do offer a game with no monthly fee, and if you wish to not spend a dime then you are entitled to do so...BUT, do not complain about those that spend their hard earned money to make their characters a bit more uber then yours. If you don't like it...go play WoW or RIFT or another game that is under $20 bucks a month.

" I used to be OP , then I took an arrow to the knee. " lmao...happy Gaming!

Quoted from "Ravesden;505255"

Ah, look, here's another person who doesn't know what they're talking about. Need 1 example? Look above. That's 1 out of MANY end gamers. You think *getting* to end game is the end of dias buying? Hello no. How about hours upon hours of wiping in order to figure out/iron out the strat. Hammers, big angel sighs, more hammers, phoenixes, and more hammers. Now multiply that by 12 people in 1 raid. Oh, btw, I laughed when I read your post.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of the active people on the forum are mediocre F2P people. It never ceases to amaze me how much the devs listen to their misinformed opinions. Think of all the drastic nerfs that have come from ridiculous complaints on the forums. Nerfs originate here but very few endgame players are active posters. Every time they listen to the cries for nerfs, it runs more endgame people off that have spent hundreds, if not thousands, on their toons. Before listening to the advice of any of them, they really should be checking to see if they have even managed to get to max level or run endgame instances.

I would bet that more than 50% of siege and sundry other nerfs over the past two years have originated with people that have never owned a t10 or higher weapon.

Quoted from "Purre;505245"

Lol, I had to laugh at the idea you claim endgamers actually spend money on this game. Please name one player who runs current endgame content (ToSH HM) that actually buys diamonds with real money. No, they sell their drops to those who are still trying to reach endgame, and buy their diamonds off diamond sellers. The ones who actually support this game are still gearing up... and once they do reach endgame, I doubt they continue to buy diamonds themselves.

I completely agree with LadyMacV. I realized long ago that I will never be able to run current endgame content without dropping a fortune on gear. I'm fine with that. I play this game for fun... I don't need to be #1 in order to enjoy playing. I won't ever be able to run new content when it first comes out... but once new content becomes old content I'll get to enjoy it then.

I have gone through about 100 hammers in the last 2 weeks. I spent $100 bucks around that time and have been waiting for hammers ever since. I have about 7 left, and if the price is right I just might drop another $100 because I know I'll go through them in short order.

Oh, I almost forgot. 1 stack of hero pots, 1 stack of 2 different kinds of food, and 1 stack of strong stimulants PER RUN and not get a single drop to sell on the ah. Ye, I buy diamonds.

If you have to buy diamonds and are capable of running Tosh, you're doing something wrong.

This sounds more like the so called "Endgamers" pissing and moaning about the diamond sellers dropping their prices, and us that actualy spend RL money for diamonds. I wills tate this and hope you who never actualy read a whole post will get the point: There is no such thing as a true "Endgamer". The onlyw ay one can be an endgamer is if the game they palyed in were finished. RoM is no where near to beign finished. So those of you that claim to be "Endgamers" can jsut go stick you overpriced items where the sun don't shine and get over it. Times are changing, we the true players refuse to pay for overpriced gear in the AH anymore. You want millions of gold for something that only cost you a bit of time out of your pathetic lives.

Quoted from "Purre;505245"

Lol, I had to laugh at the idea you claim endgamers actually spend money on this game. Please name one player who runs current endgame content (ToSH HM) that actually buys diamonds with real money.

ME! Enough said. I've spent my fair share and continue to do so. I spend anywhere from $100-$300 a month. Do we need to prove you wrong with more people? Im sure there are others that will speak up. If not, I'm your only proof... And you said name 1 player. Intrepidone from Reni Server.

Quoted from "Ravesden;505156"

There are a lot of people blaming end gamers for this, end gamers for that. But think about it, what does one do to become end game? They spend money. Without them, *this game would not exist*. Frogster is a business, they let you try out their business, but in order to progress after a certain point, you have to give them money. Yes, money. That's what pays for the game to exist. Your QQing doesn't.

I see a lot of people on here saying OP this, OP that, nerf everyone whose better, etc. There are many of you who seem to not be mature enough to accept thw fact that maybe, just maybe, that person who 1 shot you spent more money on the game/has better gear. Its always "I always get killed, so nerf them." Honestly, if that's your thought process, I want YOU nerfed.

Next is the tergothen events. I've seen a lot of people complaining about how those are unfair, the elite always win. Lets be honest, they set up transport points to the best returns, and using their fast mounts, beat those who *gasp* do not spend as much, or spend anything at all. Ever heard of spending money to make money? Well, this is a perfect example. Don't expect to win unless you put in as much as that other guy does into this game. It is truly pay to win, yes, but that's how Frogster makes a profit. Its how they keep the game running (granted, very broken at times). Its about the money. No money, no benefits.

I wasn't always "end game." Ive been playing since chapter 2 and never hit the level cap until chapter 4. I know what its like to not have those benefits. But guess what? I spent money on the game, and now Im one of the top druids on Reni. The key here, is money. If you dont spend it, expect the game to give you as much as you put in.

tl;dr Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I completely agree, Rave. Technically, I guess, I'm endgame although nowhere near the quality of more than a dozen of my friends. I can't do TOSH yet but am bound and determined I will... isn't that the point, really, to any game? To keep improving and have a damn good time while I'm doing it? Like Rave, and EVERY single other player, I was not "born" endgame, I was a noob at one point, too. I've been through some not so wonderful guilds and some exceptional ones and, between my ability to buy diamonds and the help of my mates I keep improving and learning something new almost daily and I've been here since 2009.

Now, not everyone has the personal finances to afford diamonds as often as others but the in-game trading, barter, selling, etc., gains one enough gold, coupled with a healthy dose of patience, to allow one to buy Ds in-game. Being creative and clever does help.

Now, as Rave would verify for you, on the nights I was able to siege, I went splat with great frequency and, while I would gleefully have rejoiced in dropping every single scout, rogue and priest into the lava in AV, I cannot see the need to get all pissy about it because someone outplayed me! So, stop whining and start improving your skills and techniques, folks. It's not a well-geared, competent player's fault if you get routinely whacked in siege; it's yours! lol

Quoted from "LadyMacV;505190"

A. I don't appreciate having a label applied to me unless I've actually done something to deserve it. So please, don't lump me in with everyone else crying about getting 1 hit in Siege, or wanting other classes nerfed, as I've never called for a class nerf that I know of.

B. Endgame is expensive, yes. Spending a small fortune generally results in a better game play experience. Question is... in what is supposed to be a Free To Play game, and something that is marketed as such, is it truly worth the effort of spending hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars on?

That depends on the player. There are currently many valid complaints regarding the state of the game as it exists today, not the least of which is having paid for content that becomes broken or unusable through no fault of the player. (That thread about the boss who removes paid cash shop items and buffs comes to mind.)

Personally, I don't care one way or another who has spent more or less. I care about my own game progression. It's not my job to tell other people how to play, period, because how they choose to play is really none of my business (provided they're following the TOS).

Since this thread seems to be aiming somewhat at providing a better game experience overall for everyone, I have a few suggestions in that regard:

1. Don't treat others as anything other than how you would expect to be treated. We are all human, there isn't anyone among us who hasn't ever made a mistake, and some simple, common decency will take you a lot farther than hurling insults at random people.

2. Provide constructive criticism on what needs to change, and how.

3. Do yourself a favor, and step away from the game for an hour or two if you start getting upset or frustrated with it. It isn't worth the aggravation you'll cause both to yourself and to others if you decide to play after either of those feelings have occurred.

Your points, especially, about the "golden rule", LadyMacV, are dead on target! Kindness and courtesy go a very long way.

Quoted from "Ronni66;505258"

I have played a few MMORPG's in my time, and I have to say that runes of magic is prolly going to cost me more money then all of them combined with their monthly fees etc. Am I complaining? NO..because I choose to play this game, I know it's going to cost some cash to play with the big boys some day, and I am fine with that. Rune Waker does not make you play or make you buy diamonds or anything of the sort. They do offer a game with no monthly fee, and if you wish to not spend a dime then you are entitled to do so...BUT, do not complain about those that spend their hard earned money to make their characters a bit more uber then yours. If you don't like it...go play WoW or RIFT or another game that is under $20 bucks a month.

" I used to be OP , then I took an arrow to the knee. " lmao...happy Gaming!

Ronnie66, your most salient point was "...because I choose to play this game...". Choose is a very big word.

My feelings are pretty simple. If you don't like it here, why are you still here? If you are envious of another player's gear, wealth, whatever, get over it and start working your way towards the same status, just as they did. No one gave anyone anything; everyone worked their tails off to acquire what they now have and, at least in my personal experience, those who have more are the first ones to step forward to lend a helping hand to those of us who may not have been so fortunate already. Trust me, just because you're endgame level, the PTBs did not come down from on-high, wave their magic wands and make us all multi-millionaires. If only! To earn my way towards in-game gold I worked my tail and teensy elvish fingers to the bone... you want to earn gold? Work! Harvest, refine and sell... I made the vast majority of my gold exactly that way. Craft, sell... there are a myriad of ways, and combos thereof, that will gain you in-game resources so you can, if you cannot spend RL dollars, use that gold to purchase what you need.

Oh, and, one last thing... if you are a noob and want to get ahead well, do NOT harangue endgamers by demanding they give you X-amount of gold! Kiddies, you will only earn their ire and second thoughts about hauling your puppy butt out of trouble along the way.