Runes of Magic US / AU

+1 to Seoidhal's post. <3 you 2 Kim ^_^
I think the best thing to do is, let's not sell the stuff from Tosh HM. Let people farm their own gears.
That is all.

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@soeidhal I can agree with what you say. But here is where a major problem lies in the community at large. Most if not all so called "Endgamers" refuse to assist anyone with getting gear. Yes there might be a few, but even hearing them in guild chat they complain about having to run low level members through instances. Several guilds that I personaly know will not help out anyone that is not within their guild. Why not?? The majority feel that if someone isn't in their guild it is a waste of time to go out of their way to help them. I have yet too see any "Endgamer" helping someone in an instance far lower than what they feel is worthy of their time. Well we all ahd to start somewhere. Get off your lazy butts and help out the low level players. Go out and donate a million to a low level player. You never know that player you help out might become a better person for it. Unlike now where noone gives a crap about teh low levels and especialy the new players.
New players are what drive a publisher to create more and new content. No new players means no new content, and the eventual death of a game. Do we want that? I know I do not. Change your attitudes or else we will all be looking at a new post by FA that tells us the RoM servers will be closing for good.

I wish I could disagree with you, Mega, but I can't. You're not wholly wrong. It is a sad new world. I remember when I was coming up and we saw high levels all over our zones asking if we needed help with this or that. I don't know what changed, I truly don't. And, if I'm going to be completely honest, I often "forget" about the new puppies, too. That's my bad and I'm not proud of it. I don't know what the solution is; no one can be forced to help and if one's own guild won't step up... *shrug* About all I can say right at this moment is, I'm sorry and, as a 70 mage, I will try to get over myself and spend some of the incredibly boring free time I now have doing better.

These arguments really don't make a lot of sense.

Not that I am saying that I don't agree with a lot of the sentiment - the whole point of an MMO is to cooperate, and the community needs to be and should be as welcoming as possible. Everyone should be really nice and super. I agree to all that.

However, what on earth has this got to do with some classes being OP or not? If guild x is full of nice people, does that alter the balance that an R/D can do compared to an R/S? If I am mean to someone that begs me for gold, does W/Wd do even more damage compared to a W/P? Completely and utterly unrelated.

I have said before that the main thing is that the UP combos really need to be looked at - but as part of that you must take into account the level of the OP classes. It is both the balance of a W/P against the content and against W/Wd and W/R that must be taken into account.

What ever you think of class balance, in-gmae politics has zero effect on it.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;506325"

Change your attitudes or else we will all be looking at a new post by FA that tells us the RoM servers will be closing for good.

FA will never tell you that, because simply they do not exist anymore.

Other then that, I agree to your post.

Just last weekend guildy has run L19 trough FA to get quests. People like him is what makes this game great, and I'm glad we are not alone on Reni. (seems a lot of helpful people here )

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;506325"

@soeidhal I can agree with what you say. But here is where a major problem lies in the community at large. Most if not all so called "Endgamers" refuse to assist anyone with getting gear. Yes there might be a few, but even hearing them in guild chat they complain about having to run low level members through instances.
Several guilds that I personaly know will not help out anyone that is not within their guild. Why not?? The majority feel that if someone isn't in their guild it is a waste of time to go out of their way to help them. I have yet too see any "Endgamer" helping someone in an instance far lower than what they feel is worthy of their time. Well we all ahd to start somewhere. Get off your lazy butts and help out the low level players. Go out and donate a million to a low level player. You never know that player you help out might become a better person for it. Unlike now where noone gives a crap about teh low levels and especialy the new players.
New players are what drive a publisher to create more and new content. No new players means no new content, and the eventual death of a game. Do we want that? I know I do not. Change your attitudes or else we will all be looking at a new post by FA that tells us the RoM servers will be closing for good.

Every gear run I made in Ch3 was with endgamers--RT/KT geared players running me through HoS/ZS/HoDL. A guildie gave me a weapon free for my ABL, and another guildie gave me three T7s for that weapon. Still another guildie gave me a lot of DoD statted mana stones and showed me how to dirty stat my gear so I could get into DoD myself. That was all in my first guild, Amicus. In Tribe, the same has continued. I've been given stats for free, runes for free, gear for free or cheap. I've even been given backpack tickets and refinement jewels for free.

The reason a lot of guilds don't help non-guildies is because they are helping guildies.If I help a non-guildie instead of a guildie, what use is a guild? I often help non-guildies too, but guildies have to come first. In response to why you may not be getting the help you want, I reiterate what I said before: you have to do your part too. I help players that I see are doing the best they can for themselves. Players who aren't doing anything for themselves aren't as likely to get my help. I offer all my HoS/ZS/HoDL drops free for an ABL, but only a few guildies ever take advantage. I also give away many DoD stats and help twink gear, because I remember how much it helped me.

Once again, you simply don't understand. Have you worked hard on your gear? If yes, remember that the people better geared, the ones who can help you, have worked HARDER on theirs. If you haven't worked hard, note that no one owes you anything, and we just can't afford to subsidize laziness. Given your "you owe me" attitude here on the forums, I probably wouldn't help you much either. This is true in life, as well as in RoM: Once you place the blame and solution to a problem outside of yourself, you've already failed. Seriously. There are plenty of things you can do for yourself. If you don't know what, ask. If you can't find a guildie who knows, feel free to PM me.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;506325"

@soeidhal I can agree with what you say. But here is where a major problem lies in the community at large. Most if not all so called "Endgamers" refuse to assist anyone with getting gear. Yes there might be a few, but even hearing them in guild chat they complain about having to run low level members through instances. Several guilds that I personaly know will not help out anyone that is not within their guild. Why not?? The majority feel that if someone isn't in their guild it is a waste of time to go out of their way to help them. I have yet too see any "Endgamer" helping someone in an instance far lower than what they feel is worthy of their time. Well we all ahd to start somewhere. Get off your lazy butts and help out the low level players. Go out and donate a million to a low level player. You never know that player you help out might become a better person for it. Unlike now where noone gives a crap about teh low levels and especialy the new players.
New players are what drive a publisher to create more and new content. No new players means no new content, and the eventual death of a game. Do we want that? I know I do not. Change your attitudes or else we will all be looking at a new post by FA that tells us the RoM servers will be closing for good.

Ill try to make this post sound the least elitist I can, but I wont do a good job.
Endgamers get into endgame guilds because 1, spots for instance runs are given priority to guildies, and 2, it makes no sense of achieving endgame and not being able to run the content you're geared for.
I know that starting in chapter 3 after KT came out I geared up pretty decently, but RT and KT runs weren't available to me because spots were always given to guildies even if they had less DPS than me, an out of guild pug. What ends up happening is you have to create your own group that can run the content you run so you arent stuck running KS and Clops when you have 40k HP. I understand the need of the new players for assistance, but it isnt our responsibility to gear you guys up when we enjoy running the content that we earned. Sure I'll be down for an origin run if we aren't running tosh, but I wont drop a party simply to "benefit the server." I'm not trying to sound cold hearted here, but thats the way I see it.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;506325"

@soeidhal I can agree with what you say. But here is where a major problem lies in the community at large. Most if not all so called "Endgamers" refuse to assist anyone with getting gear. Yes there might be a few, but even hearing them in guild chat they complain about having to run low level members through instances. Several guilds that I personaly know will not help out anyone that is not within their guild. Why not?? The majority feel that if someone isn't in their guild it is a waste of time to go out of their way to help them. I have yet too see any "Endgamer" helping someone in an instance far lower than what they feel is worthy of their time. Well we all ahd to start somewhere. Get off your lazy butts and help out the low level players. Go out and donate a million to a low level player. You never know that player you help out might become a better person for it. Unlike now where noone gives a crap about teh low levels and especialy the new players.
New players are what drive a publisher to create more and new content. No new players means no new content, and the eventual death of a game. Do we want that? I know I do not. Change your attitudes or else we will all be looking at a new post by FA that tells us the RoM servers will be closing for good.

False. We help people do things, but I don't know why we should be expected to just let people leech off of us for gear. Also... instance runs are almost always full with just in guild.. and you want nonguildies to be allowed in as well?

If you want to run the endgame instances... gear up, or join an endgame guild.

And isn't new content for the endgamers? What is a level 10 going to do with new level 70+ content?

Toughguylol above said it well.

I ahve an Elitist attitude??? Dunno where the heck that came from, jus because I ahve stated the truth and some of yall get your panties all twisted in a knot. Yeah I am geared in all endgame, but I worked my butt off for it. Made some good friends in a couple of the more friendly higher lvl guilds and they invite me all the time into their groups. I do not ask to getinto groups for the hardest instances, neither do I whine if I dont get into them. Yeah it took less than a week for me to get my main class to lvl 70 but that was throught hard work. I outpaced the rest of my guild in the quest line to the point where they come to me about what to do on some of them. I offer my assistance whenever I see someone asking for help even if I wasn't originaly gonna be in an area for long. I ENJOY helping others out to the point that I no longer take any gear from instances that I might be able to use.
Here is where my problem lies with this community: too many of yall have lost sight of where WE ALL came from and ignore or just blatantly disrespect the low level players just because they want some help. I will say this again get off yalls high horse and do something other than whine and complain about broken this glitched that. Whining never gets anything done. You think just because you are in endgame gear that you are the best?? Wake up. There will always be someone else that will be better than you.
Once again I will say thiis but since FA is closed now I ahve to change it: we will one day wake up to closed servers,a nd a notice from Frogster stating that due to low populations and less than desireable income generation they have closed RoM down.

It is US the community that keeps games going not the publisher or the creators. They both look at what is happening ingame and then make the final decisions on what WE are doing. And yes the creators create new content to attempt to bring in new players. It may be meant for the higher levels to run, but in truth without new content what will keep fresh blood coming??

Ok, let me translate Mega's block text from above:

The people who pay someone for the pleasure of playing a video game are responsible for making sure that the game succeeds, not the people who get payed by the players to create and maintain the game.

So, let me do some flipflopping and translate this into a more recognizable real world scenario:

The people who buy toilet paper at Wal-Mart are responsible for making sure that their shopping experience is a pleasant one, and that the store remains open; it isn't Wal-Mart's responsibility to make sure that they have toilet paper in stock and a clean and well lit store, and helpful employs to help their customers find the toilet paper- while raking in millions of dollars from said customers.

Anyone else rolling on the floor, laughing hysterically?

That argument is ludicrous.

FI doesn't keep the servers turned on as a public service, Mega- they get paid. We pay them. As paying customers, we actually are entitled to complain when we don't get reasonable service.

Now, as with the shoppers in the store, we can choose to behave like civilized creatures and treat each other with respect, or we can allow our children to urinate on the floor, or get in fistfights over the last pack of toilet paper- that much of your argument is valid. However, just as you would not expect a woman in the checkout line to pay for your toilet paper for you, just so you can have a more comfortable daily constitutional, you shouldn't expect anyone in game to give you a free ride either.

If FI turns the servers off, and finger pointing needs to be done, my fingers will point straight at FI.

Why?

If a company, a business, fails- it is never the customer's fault. You can blame regulation, or competition, or economy- but you cannot blame the customers for being big whiners. If you serve a need, if you provide a service, if you sell a good product, and you manage your business correctly- and assuming you don't run into issues with regulations or economy- you will succeed. If you don't, you will fail.

A failed business owner wailing that "Those mean mean evil customers didn't want to buy my product and always complained about my service- this is all THEIR FAULT" is... sad? Deluded?

Bottom line: no matter how selfish and evil RoM players are, they can't be blamed for a failing business. This game is a business, and it is FI's responsibility to regulate it, not the consumers.

@Mega, no one said anything about you being elitist. How did you possibly get that from anyone's post? Toughguy was trying to avoid sounding like an elitist himself, not saying anything about you.

You're only partially correct in saying players keep a game running. That is true in a sense, but it is the publishers responsibility to keep players happy. If the servers close down, I won't be the one losing money. So maybe Frogster should listen while they still have some players who care, and make RoM a game more people want to play.

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In ref to the statement someone made about most endgamers being lazy and stuck up about helping isn't that a bit judgemental? There are loads of peeps who help others outside of their guild but they don't go around advertising it. If someone is helping a stranger there're usually two motives .. they're either helping through pure generosity (in which case they're most likely not going to go around telling everyone how 'helpful' they are) or they're a prat who thinks 'helping' will make them more popular (and needs to tell everyone how 'helpful' they are).

To be honest any peeps who needs their 'helpfulness' advertised are simply pitiful (imo).

Quoted from "Ravesden;506518"

Quiet noob. You're too rational. Naturally we're all going to have to disagree with you, you make too much sense!

hmmm...someone is going into the naughty room with soul when i log back in....i wonder who ?.?

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Next is the tergothen events. I've seen a lot of people complaining about how those are unfair, the elite always win. Lets be honest, they set up transport points to the best returns.

Do people really do this? It's kinda sad if they do its not that hard to win and event without using transports.

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Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Dear lord, as much as i hate hipsters I really hope you are being ironic.

Gem of a thread though, more like it please.

Wha? Quick math 1st only gives 5 more eoj than 2nd. Event 3x an hour, so 15 eoj an hour extra. 210 for hero stat for 1st, so thats 14 events. So an extra hero stat roughly every 5 hours. Personally, im not doing ANYTHING for 5 hours straight. It makes my brain bleed. So if someone wants to use transport runes to get an extra stat every 5 hours of event time, more power to them. The best strat to me is to stay in top 3, save up a few, then wait until a time when not many people are doing event, turn in 5500 points, get first and pull a few hero's. Id rather spend my time in dod getting stats for guildys than killing ragemane chief for 5 hours

Consider for a minute that most end gamers don't have a life outside of the game. If I don't have the same gear as you, maybe its because i actually breathe fresh air on a regular basis, hold down a job, or sometimes watch a movie with my husband.

Also for those who don't constantly play, the upgrading costs are horrible

End gamer here. Work full time and have a family and a *gasps* social life!!

Also I don't spent money on this game. Last night I was able to see a movie, go out to dinner, and run Tosh/GCH. It seems that people who are not end game tend to make assumptions about which they know nothing about.