Runes of Magic US / AU

All i gotta say is Ebilone for President... +2 and i completely agree with yea .... Preach on PREACH ON!!!

Have a nice day

I disagree. You can't further separate the f2p and p2p players.

First, it creates divides in the community which leads to dissension and divide which makes it even harder for developers to accommodate both sides.

Second, the divides between groups of players makes it harder to pull together parties necessary to complete instances because you reduce the amount of potential players you can call upon at any given time.

Third, you need f2p player to play with p2ps so that it increase the chance the f2p players turn into p2p. Creating separate zones/channels or the ability to enter endgame instances for p2p hinders that transformation since the two groups can't get together.

Fourth, RoM is already problematic because it sells power which already separated f2p and p2p in the endgame instances and pvp games, giving less incentive and opportunity for f2p players to join and continue on in the game.

Fifth, the current system already gives advantages to p2p players with discounted items, diamond sales etc that gives them access to power f2p won't get i.e. weapons refined to +16 or extra purified fusion stones (notice that anything you could buy with f2p Phirius Tokens never goes on sale). There are already plenty of opportunities to get more for your money during various sales.

Creating features that further exclude f2p players from games elements makes people feel cheated and ignored and that the game they are playing is out to gouge them, making the game less fun, more rants in the forums, which drives players and potential players away. The best thing to keep an MMO going is to make it fun for groups of people, i.e. groups of friends, because if your friends continue to play and have fun when you are frustrated you are more likely to come back and spend a few more dollars if your friends do. P2p players need other players, both f2p and p2p, to do instances and pvp games.

I can see you trying to create incentive for f2p and p2p players to spend more, but you do that through convenience and vanity items that don't divide your f2p players from your p2p players. Selling power and separate channels would divide them.

Then Frogster couldn't claim they've got the best "free" mmorpg WoW clone.

@marskillz the only ones dividing the classes here are the f2p, they make the choice not to pay, they make the choice to be F2P. Personal choice, see that's where the class separation argument dies. They chose to play a gear mod game, they chose to not progress by not spending money. The argument that those of us who pay should get no perks because it's not fair is fail, because the F2P choose not to pay.

Frankly I'm tired of the justification to be f2p and then you all turn around and attempt to hinder me, and say I deserve nothing because YOU chose not to pay.

You can't continue to have your cake and eat it too. Pony up the cash, otherwise you have no stance or right for that matter to complain. You have nothing invested other then your time so part ways, go play hello kitty. Stop making your problems mine, I'm apart of the solution, and I deserve perks. Everytime I buy diamonds I should get something you can't have. And you can have it too, just make the PERSONAL CHOICE to buy diamonds.

Thank you.

Quoted from "regentego;515639"

@marskillz the only ones dividing the classes here are the f2p, they make the choice not to pay, they make the choice to be F2P. Personal choice, see that's where the class separation argument dies. They chose to play a gear mod game, they chose to not progress by not spending money. The argument that those of us who pay should get no perks because it's not fair is fail, because the F2P choose not to pay.

Frankly I'm tired of the justification to be f2p and then you all turn around and attempt to hinder me, and say I deserve nothing because YOU chose not to pay.

You can't continue to have your cake and eat it too. Pony up the cash, otherwise you have no stance or right for that matter to complain. You have nothing invested other then your time so part ways, go play hello kitty. Stop making your problems mine, I'm apart of the solution, and I deserve perks. Everytime I buy diamonds I should get something you can't have. And you can have it too, just make the PERSONAL CHOICE to buy diamonds.

Thank you.

That last paragraph hit the nail on the head. Why shouldn't we the P2P players get a perk when we buy diamonds. And for your F2P ppl we have a few on Osha that don't spend a dime on the game and yet they have the time to farm and make the gold to buy our Diamonds, then they turn around and charge insane prices for gear and then complain that we sell our diamonds for too much. So if i can get an extra perk because i'm the one that actually buys the diamonds then i'm all for it. Its my choice to spend my real life cash so why shouldn't i be rewarded. It would be like me working Overtime at my job and getting the pay to reflect that effort and then the guy standing next to me that hasn't worked the overtime expecting the same pay. Anyways FEU/RW will never do anything of the sorts so lets end this on a, Its your choice... Pay or don't... but if u don't pay then don't whine or bitch or complain about a DAYM THING cause you sir or madam have no right...

Have a nice day

An easy solution to paying customers getting a benefit could be:

Add a page to the CS with UN-giftable products. Thus only diamond buyers have them.

Special mounts
Exclusive skins
exclusive items

Also, they could reward you some exclusive currency, similar to rubys from spending diamonds. Tho, you could spend these exclusive tokens on special skins or items from a vendor or exclusive CS page.

I spend around 3k$ a year... sure would be nice to get a pat on the back for carrying all the F2P gamers...

Quoted from "redeem1;515658"

An easy solution to paying customers getting a benefit could be:

Add a page to the CS with UN-giftable products. Thus only diamond buyers have them.

Special mounts
Exclusive skins
exclusive items

Also, they could reward you some exclusive currency, similar to rubys from spending diamonds. Tho, you could spend these exclusive tokens on special skins or items from a vendor or exclusive CS page.

I spend around 3k$ a year... sure would be nice to get a pat on the back for carrying all the F2P gamers...

Decent idea here.

Paying players already get an incentive, the item shop.

I want my....I want my....I want my MTV...

Quoted from "UncleMart;515682"

Paying players already get an incentive, the item shop.

Careful how you say things, if Frogster execs begin to feel like they are suckers the F2P could start losing privileges. The F2P need to be careful how much they tromp all over Frogster. As it stands if I were CEO, RoM North America looks like a great test market. Trust me whatever I test will have zero affect on the paying players except to benefit them. The F2P are a little too brazen and boast much about themselves getting around the system.

Quoted from "regentego;515639"

@marskillz the only ones dividing the classes here are the f2p, they make the choice not to pay, they make the choice to be F2P. Personal choice, see that's where the class separation argument dies. They chose to play a gear mod game, they chose to not progress by not spending money. The argument that those of us who pay should get no perks because it's not fair is fail, because the F2P choose not to pay.

Hmm, seems that *you've* made the choice to P2W. Could it be that you're just a tad bit biased here? Say it ain't so!

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Frankly I'm tired of the justification to be f2p and then you all turn around and attempt to hinder me, and say I deserve nothing because YOU chose not to pay.

Frankly, I'm tired of people like you making your "justifications" to be P2W and then constantly slam those who choose, or who are *forced* by financial circumstances, to be F2P.

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You can't continue to have your cake and eat it too. Pony up the cash, otherwise you have no stance or right for that matter to complain. You have nothing invested other then your time so part ways, go play hello kitty. Stop making your problems mine, I'm apart of the solution, and I deserve perks. Everytime I buy diamonds I should get something you can't have. And you can have it too, just make the PERSONAL CHOICE to buy diamonds..

Speaking as one who has invested several thousands of dollars in this game over the past three years, I guess I have that "stance" which you're so interested in denying others who are somewhat less fortunate. The key part of the word here being "fortune", as in "wealth". The alleged problems which F2P players have aren't yours, nor are they forced on you. But you appear to be able to have your cake, eat it, then have and eat other people's cake, as well. You've developed a taste for all of that cake, and want to deny anyone who doesn't or can't spend, spend, spend to have even a crumb of that cake.

You have your "perks". They're called the Diamond and Ruby shops. Since you're a such big spender, go big or go home. "Home" for you should be a subscription game, not a game like RoM.

Oh, and since you're a big spender and have lots of disposable income, kindly stop doing daily quests and receiving Phirius Tokens. You don't deserve such "perks". Also kindly stop doing the public quests in TB. You don't deserve the "perks". While you're at it, stop running instances for mems, or put mems in your Lootomatic filter so they're automatically deleted. You don't deserve those "perks", either. Since you can buy your way to the top, rich man, you don't need those things at all. Just buy them from other people.

Quoted from "UncleMart;515682"

Paying players already get an incentive, the item shop.

<3 Mart. Sometimes he makes so much sense that it's thermonuclear.

<3 Mart. Sometimes he makes so much sense that it's thermonuclear

Except for the fact that his comment makes it sound like F2P players dont have access to the item shop. Which is a huge lie and falsity used to promote the fact that people would rather not pay for this game but have others pay to keep the servers running.


The more people not paying for the game means the less that Frogster makes, means eventually they will decide if they arent making enough to shut the game down. Then your Free to Play people can Free to play another game. If you have spent money in the past on the game this should be the last thing you want... After all there is a line in the EULA stating that all property is the property of Frogster/RW so when they shut the servers down they owe you NOTHING

I would think it obvious, as a few others have already pointed out, that the benefit for P2P players is in what we buy. I spend a fair amount of money on this game, more than $20 / month, and because of that all my gear is +16, I have a bunch of Rune X, lots of puris, no lack of golden hammers, or chests in my house...etc.
Currently when I buy my diamonds I get a further benefit of bonus diamonds, just for being someone who&#8217;s bought them in the past.
As for getting a xp/tp bonus channel as the original poster suggested, well I don&#8217;t need that extra channel because I get a benefit by using my diamonds to buy xp/tp potions that provide me with that bonus.
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I appreciate all bonus benefits and such, but I think we already get a great many benefits just by being P2P.

I agree with the benifit to have tweaked out gear.. but, anyone with in game gold can get the same items Gifted to them and aquire the same amount of items as a Paying player. Its not a benifit of power paying players are looking for.. its just some kind of exclusivity that marks them as a provider to the games financial gains. Titles, skins.. something.. not nessecerily more power.

Portable vendor maybe,
how bout a house maid that will vendor your trash...
portable crafting tools?

hell the possiblitys for just a lil Thanks for paying would neither benifit or hinder players on either end of the scale.. but could add a little convience to paying people.

Quoted from "Malignatus;515692"

Hmm, seems that *you've* made the choice to P2W. Could it be that you're just a tad bit biased here? Say it ain't so!




Frankly, I'm tired of people like you making your "justifications" to be P2W and then constantly slam those who choose, or who are *forced* by financial circumstances, to be F2P.




Speaking as one who has invested several thousands of dollars in this game over the past three years, I guess I have that "stance" which you're so interested in denying others who are somewhat less fortunate. The key part of the word here being "fortune", as in "wealth". The alleged problems which F2P players have aren't yours, nor are they forced on you. But you appear to be able to have your cake, eat it, then have and eat other people's cake, as well. You've developed a taste for all of that cake, and want to deny anyone who doesn't or can't spend, spend, spend to have even a crumb of that cake.

You have your "perks". They're called the Diamond and Ruby shops. Since you're a such big spender, go big or go home. "Home" for you should be a subscription game, not a game like RoM.

Oh, and since you're a big spender and have lots of disposable income, kindly stop doing daily quests and receiving Phirius Tokens. You don't deserve such "perks". Also kindly stop doing the public quests in TB. You don't deserve the "perks". While you're at it, stop running instances for mems, or put mems in your Lootomatic filter so they're automatically deleted. You don't deserve those "perks", either. Since you can buy your way to the top, rich man, you don't need those things at all. Just buy them from other people.




<3 Mart. Sometimes he makes so much sense that it's thermonuclear.

The funny thing is you really had nothing there, that was just one big personal attack which I won't lose sleep over it was "ebil leave the poor people alone" and "ebil screw you for working hard and making money"

Reality, if you can't afford to contribute maybe you should be working not playing any game.

RoM is like a good friend who invites you into his house, you stay for free, eat his food for free then tell him it tastes terrible and demands more.

When you have something other then a personal attack let me know. See conservatives use logic, liberals use personal attacks. I'll call a liberal out any day, and I'm not talking politics, I'm talking state of mind.

If you REALLY want to see how the scales of paying players and non paying players then ask them to remove gifting from the CS altogether.. then i can agree with the CS being a benifit to paying players cuz there would be an OBV diffrence.

(see post a few up) *hugs*

Quoted from "Dkjester;515693"

<3 Mart. Sometimes he makes so much sense that it's thermonuclear

Except for the fact that his comment makes it sound like F2P players dont have access to the item shop. Which is a huge lie and falsity used to promote the fact that people would rather not pay for this game but have others pay to keep the servers running.


The more people not paying for the game means the less that Frogster makes, means eventually they will decide if they arent making enough to shut the game down. Then your Free to Play people can Free to play another game. If you have spent money in the past on the game this should be the last thing you want... After all there is a line in the EULA stating that all property is the property of Frogster/RW so when they shut the servers down they owe you NOTHING

While I posted after Mart did, please remember that *I* did mention both the Diamond and Ruby shops to regentego. I felt that I didn't need to mention the Token Shop, because it was relatively obvious. Not to mention that since regentego is such a Big Spender, he doesn't even *need* to use or access the Token Shop. He can get everything he needs, and more, from the Diamond and Ruby shops.

I shudder to think what his reaction would be should I dare to suggest that Frogster both reduce prices in the TS, as well as offer *more* items there, along with regular sales offers.

Quoted from "redeem1;515699"

If you REALLY want to see how the scales of paying players and non paying players then ask them to remove gifting from the CS altogether.. then i can agree with the CS being a benifit to paying players cuz there would be an OBV diffrence.

That would make world chat entertaining for sure. There would be so much rage.

Quoted from "redeem1;515699"

If you REALLY want to see how the scales of paying players and non paying players then ask them to remove gifting from the CS altogether.. then i can agree with the CS being a benifit to paying players cuz there would be an OBV diffrence.

(see post a few up) *hugs*

Its easy enough to do, all they have to do is lock all diamonds. But then all hell would break loose cause then suddenly all these F2P would either have to buy diamonds or leave and blah blah.... FEU/RW would go bankrupt from all the income loss so forth and so on..... LOL

Quoted from "regentego;515696"

The funny thing is you really had nothing there, that was just one big personal attack which I won't lose sleep over it was "ebil leave the poor people alone" and "ebil screw you for working hard and making money"

Reality, if you can't afford to contribute maybe you should be working not playing any game.

RoM is like a good friend who invites you into his house, you stay for free, eat his food for free then tell him it tastes terrible and demands more.

When you have something other then a personal attack let me know. See conservatives use logic, liberals use personal attacks. I'll call a liberal out any day, and I'm not talking politics, I'm talking state of mind.

At least you're consistent. Consistently wrong, that is. Every point in your monologue above is wrong. But you're so blinded in your dislike of any F2P aspect that you cannot see. Perhaps you should find a new obsession. Or seek professional help for the one you have.

Have a good life, regentego.

On topic: Extra "incentives" for "paying players" would further unbalance this already unbalanced game. I say this as someone who does buy diamonds and who does use the Item Shop as freely as my diamonds and rubies allow.