Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Malignatus;515704"

While I posted after Mart did, please remember that *I* did mention both the Diamond and Ruby shops to regentego. I felt that I didn't need to mention the Token Shop, because it was relatively obvious. Not to mention that since regentego is such a Big Spender, he doesn't even *need* to use or access the Token Shop. He can get everything he needs, and more, from the Diamond and Ruby shops.

I shudder to think what his reaction would be should I dare to suggest that Frogster both reduce prices in the TS, as well as offer *more* items there, along with regular sales offers.

Lol I really hit a sore spot with you, and yes I buy megaphones in the TS, TS prices should be higher IMO, F2P should get very little, they are lucky frogster gives them full access to the CS, and on top of that F2P have zero restrictions unlike 90% of other f2ps.

You're not fighting for the F2P you're trying to fight me. Now you're back pedaling to others while trying to snipe me. Fact is I'm not wrong and you can't find a valid argument, so you say "oh that high roller ebil, that tall handsome man with a beautiful wife and family, oh screw him for working hard" See the F2P start the class war, not the paying players.

Personally I thank everyone who pays for the game, without you and your support we would have no game. Even if it's only $5 a month it means you are helping it continue to grow.

Thank you.

Quoted from "regentego;515710"

Lol I really hit a sore spot with you, and yes I buy megaphones in the TS, TS prices should be higher IMO, F2P should get very little, they are lucky frogster gives them full access to the CS, and on top of that F2P have zero restrictions unlike 90% of other f2ps.

You're not fighting for the F2P you're trying to fight me. Now you're back pedaling to others while trying to snipe me. Fact is I'm not wrong and you can't find a valid argument, so you say "oh that high roller ebil, that tall handsome man with a beautiful wife and family, oh screw him for working hard" See the F2P start the class war, not the paying players.

Personally I thank everyone who pays for the game, without you and your support we would have no game. Even if it's only $5 a month it means you are helping it continue to grow..

Careful now, your consistency is showing. BTW, you're also modest. You have much to be modest about.

And another derailed thread gets closed... sigh

Unbalance cannot come from items that contain no power..

skins
portable crafting devices
portable vendor
ect. ect...

there is no power gained

I just wanna throw my 2 cents in... I p2w. I do so because I choose to be. I personally don't think I deserve anything more then the F2P. I make a choice to pay just like those that do not pay have that choice. HOWEVER... It would be rather sweet to get rewarded for helping fund the game so it may continue. Because...If it wasn't for us P2W players.... THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO CONTINUE MAKING THE GAME!!! Why would they continue to work on the game?? Why would they give us more content? Because the P2W people (like myself) help fund the continuation of this game. If everyone was just F2P...and I mean everyone...the game would tank, and we wouldn't have a game to play. I know this is partially off the topic but it seems as though it is already off the topic. Would I love to receive a "thank you" gift for spending thousands of dollars on a game that gives me nothing but years of entertainment...yes I would. Is it necessary... Not so much. I'm just glad that I have a place to meet cool people while doing something that passes my time. Say what you want...and argue all u want. But if it wasn't for us "evil" P2W @$$holes... This game wouldn't have made it as far as it has. Have fun everyone. See ya in-game!

Gotta agree here. I haven't seen any real reason why P2W should have even MORE than F2P and it comes down to Regentego's dislike of F2P. I bet he's 40 years old and shakes his fist at the, "Damn kids on my lawn!"

I sense crotchety old man here.

Lol 35 and my pics on my page =PI like the f2p, I don't like when they don't think people who pay deserve nothing. I get some people have money problems but don't make the P2P out to be evil villains. Were the ones keeping the servers on for you to play. Why shouldn't we get a little extra.

Quoted from "regentego;515731"

Lol 35 and my pics on my page =PI like the f2p, I don't like when they don't think people who pay deserve nothing. I get some people have money problems but don't make the P2P out to be evil villains. Were the ones keeping the servers on for you to play. Why shouldn't we get a little extra.

arent rubies that little extra? i mean you get them as a bonus on dia purchases. not that i care but just to point something out.

Actually, those who pay (an thankee fer those who do) get everythin in the game! Everythin! Includin bonus items. Includin CS items. Includin the ability ter trade those items fer gold. What a great feature fer em! Now, Regentego wants ter limit those diamond buyers in their abilities. He doesn't have a problem wit f2p. What he really hast a problem wit be p2w who sell diamonds, an Froggy who allows it. He desires it ter be a subscription game. What a shame, he gonna be buckin p2w, fw2p, an Froggy all day long.... Cheers mate! keep at it!

Lemon

Quoted from "Theintrepid1;515723"

I just wanna throw my 2 cents in... I p2w. I do so because I choose to be. I personally don't think I deserve anything more then the F2P. I make a choice to pay just like those that do not pay have that choice. HOWEVER... It would be rather sweet to get rewarded for helping fund the game so it may continue. Because...If it wasn't for us P2W players.... THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO CONTINUE MAKING THE GAME!!! Why would they continue to work on the game?? Why would they give us more content? Because the P2W people (like myself) help fund the continuation of this game. If everyone was just F2P...and I mean everyone...the game would tank, and we wouldn't have a game to play. I know this is partially off the topic but it seems as though it is already off the topic. Would I love to receive a "thank you" gift for spending thousands of dollars on a game that gives me nothing but years of entertainment...yes I would. Is it necessary... Not so much. I'm just glad that I have a place to meet cool people while doing something that passes my time. Say what you want...and argue all u want. But if it wasn't for us "evil" P2W @$$holes... This game wouldn't have made it as far as it has. Have fun everyone. See ya in-game!

This would make for a good argument.


What it looks to me is that any person on either side of the p2p/f2p divide thinks the other side has it better. P2p thinks it'easy to be f2p. Sure it's easy-ish if you're endgame. Sell gear and stats and go on like that forever. If you're not endgame... It will take a VERY long time.
F2p players think p2p is easy. In a sense, it is true. If you buy with double diamonds, the good offers... It gives a huge advantage.
The way I see it, the access to item shop anytime, not having to farm gold, and the speed at which you can progress ( p2p DO progress faster) are good rewards already.

Also from a logical standpoint I'm not sure the logic "I pay. So I deserve a reward cause otherwise this game/system wouldn't exist" is valid. Is like saying advertisers gets to dictate rules on tv channels because they pay while viewers don't pay ( not cable tv). Actually the value of the tv channel is the viewer base. :-)

Regentego... when's the last time you honestly lost squarely in a 1v1 competition in ANYTHING vs a F2P gamer? I mean really? Can you even remember if it ever happened?

Quoted from "regentego;515639"

@marskillz the only ones dividing the classes here are the f2p, they make the choice not to pay, they make the choice to be F2P. Personal choice, see that's where the class separation argument dies. They chose to play a gear mod game, they chose to not progress by not spending money. The argument that those of us who pay should get no perks because it's not fair is fail, because the F2P choose not to pay.

Frankly I'm tired of the justification to be f2p and then you all turn around and attempt to hinder me, and say I deserve nothing because YOU chose not to pay.

You can't continue to have your cake and eat it too. Pony up the cash, otherwise you have no stance or right for that matter to complain. You have nothing invested other then your time so part ways, go play hello kitty. Stop making your problems mine, I'm apart of the solution, and I deserve perks. Everytime I buy diamonds I should get something you can't have. And you can have it too, just make the PERSONAL CHOICE to buy diamonds.

Thank you.

You have that backwards. This is advertised as a free to play game.

It are those who pay who decide to make 'that' choice.
I being one of them. My choice to spend my money. MY choice.

That does not give me the right to continually bash those who do not pay.
You bragged about your life circumstances in another post. Yes bragged.

There are people who play this game who through no fault of their own can not afford to pay.

One being an US Iraq vet who has lost the use of his legs serving his country.
He can not afford to pay..
Not being able to pay is not a 'choice'. It is something he has had forced on him.

I do not begrudge paying so that at least some joy can be brought to his life.

Apparently you do.

being f2p is not entirely a matter of choice, its a matter of economics. believe me if i had the disposable income some have to throw away on anything at all, i would dump a ton into this game as it has potential and i want to see it succeed. unfortunatly there are many many younger folks, who have no income and are just looking for something to kill time with. the social interaction in this game is a huge draw for people. can u imagine if there was suddenly a vip section for facebook? dont like f2p leaches? dont sell diamonds in game. ever. anymore. period. &%@!!holes

Having both F2P and P2P players is what makes the whole F2P concept work. P2P players already get nifty extra stuff like ummm... isn't that what rubies are specifically for? Now sure, you can sell your rubies, but they are a bonus that only paying players will ever see. Also, you can dye stuff (which used to be meaningful) and purchase house energy, which isn't available to the F2P at all unless they trade for Zeevex.

As a big spender myself (ugh don't tell my husband, and I probably spend as much as Ebil does)- I feel like I get my money's worth in bonus benefits- I just wish I was getting my money's worth in actual value. But that's another argument.

On a personal note, Ebil, honey- we all know now that you're a successful white male with chiseled good looks and probably a six-pack, with a McMansion and either a leggy blonde trophy wife or a sweet Laura Bush-clone with 2.5 children, 3 SUV's and 50 inch flatscreens in every room permanently set to the Fox News Channel. And surely you pull in a 7 figure salary. That's great- you're living the American Dream. Pat yourself on the back.

However... I don't really care. I mean, I know I tell my stories and all, and I realize lots of people don't care about them either. But at least my stories are usually about, you know, the game.

There's an *insert random euphemism for male genitalia here* size joke in here somewhere, I just kinda don't want to go there. Let's play nice and just say that your ample ability to consume is not relevant to most of the topics at hand. It's almost relevant to this one, but the gory details are unnecessary. We know all about your personal financial situation. Let's move on.

Quoted from "Silenteye7;515739"

Regentego... when's the last time you honestly lost squarely in a 1v1 competition in ANYTHING vs a F2P gamer? I mean really? Can you even remember if it ever happened?

Don't know what your talking about I lose all the time, its no fun if you're always winning, last night I got annihilated by monkeydeath(lol not sure if that's right) he is an OP m/r in realmsguardians (awesome guild btw real nice peeps)

K as for rubies, that argument has been killed cause just like diamonds they can be gifted.

K lemonator, or should I say "Steve the Pirate" I'm not looking to make this a sub based game, I was asking the community what would be acceptable if they designed the game like Sony does their F2P. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel.

I think that covers it. The OP started this thread asking for some perks for P2P, I don't see why even the f2p would have any problems with that. They should all be grateful that we do pay! And there have been many good ideas, so don't derail the OPs thread because of my personal stance, I believe at some point everyone who plays this game should feel obligated to pay Frogster at least $5 one time, buy a damn mount or something. Anyone who disagrees with that means were just cut from a different clothe. I pay cause I get a decent service I enjoy using. Ultimately frogsters actions in the future will dictate everything and what I say will just be my opinion, but that's what I always say is "my opinion". Life is about being fair, firm and consistent.

F2P keep the game populated (Not OP end gamers) and P2P keep the game going... But I would like to see a subscription based channel where items are not bound (but can only be transferred to another toon on a subscription based account), drop rate increased, hey and what the heck a dia or ruby stipen, and a item shop discount of like 10 to 20% off. The subscription could be sold on a month to month, 3, 6, 9, or 12 month payment plan. That would be very nice for the ppl who invest and keep the game going.

Quoted from "regentego;515749"

Don't know what your talking about I lose all the time, its no fun if you're always winning, last night I got annihilated by monkeydeath(lol not sure if that's right) he is an OP m/r in realmsguardians (awesome guild btw real nice peeps)

Is he F2P? If not that makes your entire point here invalid.

Quoted from "Musicmania;515759"

F2P keep the game populated (Not OP end gamers) and P2P keep the game going... But I would like to see a subscription based channel where items are not bound (but can only be transferred to another toon on a subscription based account), drop rate increased, hey and what the heck a dia or ruby stipen, and a item shop discount of like 10 to 20% off. The subscription could be sold on a month to month, 3, 6, 9, or 12 month payment plan. That would be very nice for the ppl who invest and keep the game going.

Percentages would be good but here is my point that Frogstar would see would be a problem with that. It would be just like a permanent diamond sale and they most likely won't do such a drastic change as their profit would go down and unless people start buying MANY more diamonds than now. Drop rate seems like a great idea too my at least. If they DID go back to locked diamonds then f2p should be able to get the stuff that we NEED to play (puris and such)

^That point about diamonds would be without the payment plan.

I'm f2p as I am a younger player and if this game manages to stay to the point where I can start spending then I will spend. As a f2p I'm barely hanging on as it is (literally not just what people normally say) in-game.

Ebil here isn't saying that he wants this to be a subscription game where the f2p would be completely blocked out as I bet he depends on some f2ps to run instances and so on and so forth. He like the OP wants to get benefits for the p2ps who support this game. As for rubies f2ps can buy those as well like diamonds. These things are NOT what the OP wanted to talk about and should be put on F2P Nerf Thread (I don't remember the name) instead of here unless it has been closed already where then someone (maybe Ebil after he gets a massage and in a pleasant mood ) should start a Discussion thread (what a great idea ) about this without the extra aggroing of the f2ps and the person that sometimes doesn't read posts before they post. (not saying names )

Ebil in my opinion is not the best person to get this stuff out with some of the nerf f2p stuff he has said but he DOES valid points (most of the time ). His "bragging" was to support a point but in a point in another nerf f2p post. Some of these arguments are old, with the f2p saying that we keep the game alive and p2p saying that without them that the game would remove the support. These are both truths but instead of focusing on how to nerf each other try to figure out what would be good for both parties.

Ebil gimme dias Ebil has received a negative rep of sorts on the forums just trying to voice from another person who (not yet) has been given a rating ( I hope ) as well with my own special twizzler twist. Interpreted the best I could after 3 miles run and no sleep. I'm working on my 6-pack too Ebil (I need pointers)

This post was not read over so there is stuff that sounds crappy 'cause ideas change when you put them down. I'm just a lazy kid so I'm not going to read over ;P Also this is a serious topic but I am trying to lighten the mood so I added the fun stuff, Ebil don't take offense for the poking .

i still dont see why no one thinks reduce CS item prices for return customers is a good idea. I would think F2P players would LOVE this. You make friends with someone that always buys diamonds (who would then get a discount on CS shop items) and pass them on to the F2P players when selling the diamonds.....

I am actually shocked more F2P players dont like this idea. I would love it as a paying player, i know those that buy diamonds from me would love it, and i know it would promote more repeat buyers. That Frogster would love.

Quoted from "ChaosArmored;515771"

Percentages would be good but here is my point that Frogstar would see would be a problem with that. It would be just like a permanent diamond sale and they most likely won't do such a drastic change as their profit would go down and unless people start buying MANY more diamonds than now. Drop rate seems like a great idea too my at least. If they DID go back to locked diamonds then f2p should be able to get the stuff that we NEED to play (puris and such)

^That point about diamonds would be without the payment plan.

I'm f2p as I am a younger player and if this game manages to stay to the point where I can start spending then I will spend. As a f2p I'm barely hanging on as it is (literally not just what people normally say) in-game.

Ebil here isn't saying that he wants this to be a subscription game where the f2p would be completely blocked out as I bet he depends on some f2ps to run instances and so on and so forth. He like the OP wants to get benefits for the p2ps who support this game. As for rubies f2ps can buy those as well like diamonds. These things are NOT what the OP wanted to talk about and should be put on F2P Nerf Thread (I don't remember the name) instead of here unless it has been closed already where then someone (maybe Ebil after he gets a massage and in a pleasant mood ) should start a Discussion thread (what a great idea ) about this without the extra aggroing of the f2ps and the person that sometimes doesn't read posts before they post. (not saying names )

Ebil in my opinion is not the best person to get this stuff out with some of the nerf f2p stuff he has said but he DOES valid points (most of the time ). His "bragging" was to support a point but in a point in another nerf f2p post. Some of these arguments are old, with the f2p saying that we keep the game alive and p2p saying that without them that the game would remove the support. These are both truths but instead of focusing on how to nerf each other try to figure out what would be good for both parties.

Ebil gimme dias Ebil has received a negative rep of sorts on the forums just trying to voice from another person who (not yet) has been given a rating ( I hope ) as well with my own special twizzler twist. Interpreted the best I could after 3 miles run and no sleep. I'm working on my 6-pack too Ebil (I need pointers)

This post was not read over so there is stuff that sounds crappy 'cause ideas change when you put them down. I'm just a lazy kid so I'm not going to read over ;P Also this is a serious topic but I am trying to lighten the mood so I added the fun stuff, Ebil don't take offense for the poking .

Wow its all about me! Thanks, but I don't aggro F2P, I just can't relate to them, I'm a guy who freely pays for a good game, I don't understand how people who can afford to pay make the choice to play the game incessantly but can't reciprocate for the enjoyment they had. If someone is broke, I used to be there in my early years, you work hard, don't make excuses and you will eventually succeed, but I understand if you're broke, just never turn it into a state of mind.

Do I have a hateclub? Absolutely, I blame me for that because I say all the hard things others are afraid too. Because as soon as you piss off the F2P they zerg you. While I know they advertise it as F2P that ends at about lvl 55.

BUT the CS costs so much because not enough people are paying, and Frogster has no income predictability, they have P/Y sales to go from but that's it, so they have no revenue stream to justify lowering the CS.

Maybe I make people mad cause I'm like your Dad and your worst boss all at once. I'm far too business minded at times and I look at RoM and other things like "How can I increase profits here by 20%?

Okay enough about the F2P favorite topic "ME"!

Diamond buyers should be able to get perks, I want perks, I liked the special Gashas idea throw in a 3rd currency with some ultra cool things in there.

Frogster you made it too easy for ok
players to be completely free. I hope it turns around.

Thank you my