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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 6:28am

EU sales on NA servers

Ok... so let me see if I got this right. EU servers on average, get more diamonds per euro than NA servers get per dollar. This is due to the currency exchange rate of euro vs dollar.

Because of this, some items in the cash shop on EU servers generally cost more than those on NA servers. Basically, it's to balance the average of diamonds vs in-game item exchange values.

However, due to the marketing team being headed in EU, when sales go up, the prices are based on those in the EU cash shop.

Now, since there isn't anyone looking after NA servers anymore, we get a carbon-copy of their sales; but since NA prices are normally lower (remember due to the exchange rate), the "sale" prices we get are normally between 100%~125% of their regular value.

Prime example, the rune disk, on sale now for 399 diamonds... regular price, 299. Don't even get me started on the runes prices. Or the lesser speed mount potion, on sale now for 10 diamonds... regular price, 10 diamonds. You don't even get your ruby for buying the sale potion.

I guess my question is... if so much meticulous calculation went into determining the ratio of diamonds per currency as pertains to the common value of the items in the cash shop, between the EU & NA servers... then why the heck are we still getting their sales at our regular or inflated prices??

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 6:46am

Because were RoM Jr. We get all the hand me downs. They plug in the sales, set the Timer and leave the office. We just were not profitable enough to have our own branch or sales team. I don't see anything changing except well... I'll leave the tinfoil hat off.

I guess we accept it, pick and choose our battles. But realize we are a breath away from EOL.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 8:21am

normally US servers recieve more diamonds than EU servers for dollar. Here i am speaking about ingame currency.
for US servers $99.99 = 3150 dias
EU servers $99.99 = 2100 dias

The new management trying to equal both of these prices by increasing the cost of items in CS.

When FA handled US servers rune disk value is 349dias without any special offers. But with EU management rune disc priced at 399dias in US servers and 299dias in EU servers with their special 50% discounts. At this rate the cost of this game has increased a lot more than last year for US servers.

funny thing is players asked decrease CS prices but prices increased even more with this management.

Also tier X runes at 299 dias each is good price for now. It will cost $600 regular price to get all tier X runes for r/s already. I hope they wont apply this type of price method on tier X runes.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 8:35am

those currency rates for EU servers are in euros, not dollars... so in essence they're spending less due to currency rates, thus they receive fewer diamonds for the same digits. By current rates, 99.99 euros is equivalent to 133.22 dollars.

Source: http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=99.99&From=EUR&To=USD

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 8:39am

Like i mentioned during the birthday package sales last week. We got a massive increase in the package cost like 200 diamonds difference. Yet with other sales the items cost the same. like the gashas and various other items which I hop over there and check to see what is being offered before we get it.

Frogster chooses its prices whether it be the same, higher or lowerer. Its a business and no matter how much the GMs tell us how they are for us and I believe them, it is the "suits" that decide what goes on there and I don't think they care much for us... well our pockets mostly but not us.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 8:51am

yes silenteye in your point of view outside game currency EU recieving more diamonds than US based on exchange rate. This game cost increased more for US servers as i mentioned in last post.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 8:59am

As was mentioned in recent post, the prices of diamonds in EU are considerably higher.

Let's take that 395 diamond rune disk. To obtain it in US, you would buy 20 dollar worth of diamonds, which at their regular price gets you 470. At that price disk would cost you 395/470 * 20 = 16.81 dollars.

Now, according to YomanRom post, in EU the closest package to this is 25 Euros, which gets you 600 dias. So, the price of the disk in EU is 395/600 * 25 = 16.46 euros.

Considering that Euro is worth 1.33 dollars, the Europeans are paying 30% more real world cash for same item. By syncing in-diamond prices, we are getting a discount compared to them.
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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 9:42am

with increased prices in CS now US players also paying same price of EU players. But this resulted in 30% increase of CS items for US servers because of new management.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 10:29am

so what you're saying is that the inflated prices on the "sales" aren't actually increases, but more of a balancing of currency equivalent so that everyone pays roughly the same amount for in-game valuables?

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 12:08pm

Get over it. You might pay more dias for some items, but the USD is much cheaper than EUR so in the end prices are almost the same.

To avoid any confusion, they shall make price in dias the same but increase the price you pay for those dias.

And keeping reading about how much advantages EU players have over US players makes me rofl. Make a char on the EU servers and play for a week and you might stop bitching afterwards.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 12:15pm

Quoted from "Silenteye7;520799"

so what you're saying is that the inflated prices on the "sales" aren't actually increases, but more of a balancing of currency equivalent so that everyone pays roughly the same amount for in-game valuables?


Its because of same management for both US and EU. we need separate team to handle item shop sales and prices for US servers.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 1:05pm

Quoted from "wipemaster;520802"

Get over it.

Yep, got over it very easy by stopping purchasing dias and not worrying why someone increased game price.

We all love to pay more for the same, don't we?


Quoted from "amilineni;520803"

Its because of same management for both US and EU. we need separate team to handle item shop sales and prices for US servers.

At the time FEU took over Dionaea was telling us that US sales team still exists... Since than we all saw price increase and unreasonable prices for some items, without anyone from staff giving any explonations as WHY. Why we pay for rune T5 more than we used to pay for rune T7???

I was thinking to get rune disk, but at price of 399 - no thank you. Another reason I don't like to spend money on mount is that if I get it, I can't move my current one to alt, because of policy change.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 1:09pm

Quoted from "wipemaster;520802"

Get over it. You might pay more dias for some items, but the USD is much cheaper than EUR so in the end prices are almost the same.

To avoid any confusion, they shall make price in dias the same but increase the price you pay for those dias.

And keeping reading about how much advantages EU players have over US players makes me rofl. Make a char on the goddamn EU servers and play for a week and you might stop bitching afterwards.


Paying exactly for what? Something that you dont own or can touch? The things you buy dont have any real value they dont exists. I dont give a turd what they charge in Europe, its a increase to the US servers and its a rip off no matter how you spin it. When better games come out people will just move on to cheaper pastures.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 1:29pm

Back when I was hunting for a ride, I never saw rune disk at significant discount to what it was sold this time, 395. Only time I remember it being less was on 2nd birthday. That is when I picked my ferret at ~200 dias, because I didn't think that disk at ~300 dias was worth the premium.

Googling for the pricing history on the US side, the only mention of diamond cost of the disk I can find is this page:

http://www.zam.com/wiki/Flying_Rune_Disk…ent)_(RoM_Item)

As you can see in upper right corner, the number of dias for it is not small. As in, higher than 395. :p

As for price of other mounts, I picked my Flame for 163 dias back in December, because the price was lower than I ever seen it before (and being 70% 2-seater didnt hurt). Well, this sale beat it.
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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 1:37pm

There were some good mounts on sale, very cheap.

Some of exclusive mounts are not exclusive anymore. (wonder if current staff even knew of them being exclusive with game box)

As I did not expect anything good and worth taking, not much of disappointment.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 2:47pm

I think the point of the whole post is if an item costs more than its price in the regular cash shop, please don't call it a sale.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 4:29pm

Bought diamonds with my credit card and got hit with a $2.50 international fee.

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 5:18pm

Few things i want answered:

Why do they want to make the offers the same in EU and US?
Are we going to siege against EU server anytime soon?
Is that why they moved EU servers?
Where did they move EU servers? Florida?
If we are not gonna face EU servers, WTH does it matter if we go back to our old US deals we had?

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 7:27pm

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Wednesday, March 28th 2012, 7:46pm

Quoted from "zidlef;520838"

Few things i want answered:

Why do they want to make the offers the same in EU and US?
Are we going to siege against EU server anytime soon?
Is that why they moved EU servers?
Where did they move EU servers? Florida?
If we are not gonna face EU servers, WTH does it matter if we go back to our old US deals we had?

My two cents



Well because Americans don't spend enough on this game, Frogster US made a Terrible mistake years ago by not initiating IP blocks on non Frogster countries. We have mass amounts of foreign players who can't buy diamonds even if they wanted to. Its a strategic business move if were not buying alot of diamonds why do anything special for North America, we just need to all accept that we will get the same sales as EU. For a long time people bragged "I'm f2p, you're stupid gor buying diamonds" back then I fought that type of belief and those people. Well welcome to the endgame of f2p gone wild.

I wouldn't keep FA open either, they tried their absolute best to get people excited and buy diamonds, but at the end of the day frogster America didn't fail us, you f2p failed them. Keep it up though and give frogster EU the ability to say "you know were barely making enough to pay for the servers"

I know alot of you don't like to hear reality of business, to us its a game to them its a business investment, and gameforge is not known for keeping games that are not profiting. Yeah ask the F2P Mythos players. I've been saying these things before FA was closed, but what do I know I've only run a few multi million dollar business. I've only closed down four unprofitable branches, and I've only bought out a few bankrupt companies.

Accept how it is now, spend money if you want change, don't spend there will be an even more drastic change coming.