Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521303"

Essentially you want the weapon for free then?

No reason to go free with it, but there is something called DEPRECIATION.

Most things are never resold for the original value. Trying to sell end game gear from yesteryear at original price is not the way the world works.

Quoted from "Rikatah;521307"

No reason to go free with it, but there is something called DEPRECIATION.

Most things are never resold for the original value. Trying to sell end game gear from yesteryear at original price is not the way the world works.

Obviously there's depreciation. And of course that's taken into account in everyone's prices. I don't even sell statted gear for 140m even though I have bought that piece of gear clean at 140m.

Quoted from "regentego;521306"

No he is saying if your gonna sell it as is don't expect $100 in diamonds, expect maybe $20 worth. We P2P are okay with plussibg our own items.

Ebil, you stated you've run ToSH and I believe it. You're very well geared. You know that these drops aren't sold as one person. They're sold as a group sale. 80m/12 people... we aren't getting much at all... and this is AH prices. Of course if you whisper and make offers you can get it for even cheaper.

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521310"

Ebil, you stated you've run ToSH and I believe it. You're very well geared. You know that these drops aren't sold as one person. They're sold as a group sale. 80m/12 people... we aren't getting much at all... and this is AH prices. Of course if you whisper and make offers you can get it for even cheaper.

80mil divided by 12 people. A little over 6.5mil each which at 25k per diamond is over $10. Seems like a good amount.

Quoted from "regentego;521311"

Very well the diamonds will now be sold at 50k per if you want cheaper whisper the seller, I'm trying to prevent inflation, people only see what is in the AH. As for runs on Artemis 1 need 1 greed pass to sell. And the proceeds from the pass are not pooled. Trust me the uber f2p guild is not nearly as flexible as you folks on Reni.

Well that is the problem there. People look at the prices on the AH and think they must buy it at that price.... Why don't you just whisper the seller? Like I stated earlier, I bought a Boro-Boro chest that was priced on the AH for 70m for 44m from whispering the seller. And of course that 44m I coughed up would end up being split by the amount of people in that run which I assume is at least a group of 10 if not a full group of 12.

supply and demand

reason diamond prices have gone down so rapidly is that there are a lot more dia sellers running around atm. Compared to a couple months ago when you could hardly find any sellers even if you WC for hours on end.

Also FA removed a massive amount of gold from the game (not sure if FEU is doing the same) which has affected the value of gold vs diamonds.

there are a lot of other factors that go into game economics (its actually a college major) but those are a couple of the larger ones.

Also endgamers are not especially organized (least not on Artemis) they still undercut each other all the time.

Quoted from "maecon;521313"

80mil divided by 12 people. A little over 6.5mil each which at 25k per diamond is over $10. Seems like a good amount.

And how much real life money would it take for you to tier up the weapon, plus, and drill it? Much more than ten dollars... why don't we complain about the prices Frogster charges for diamonds rather than other players charge for gear? Players charge that much for gear because it is relative to the amount of real life money it costs to maintain a character in this game. And we all know how expensive this game is...

Quoted from "Cronrs;521315"

supply and demand

reason diamond prices have gone down so rapidly is that there are a lot more dia sellers running around atm. Compared to a couple months ago when you could hardly find any sellers even if you WC for hours on end.

Also FA removed a massive amount of gold from the game (not sure if FEU is doing the same) which has affected the value of gold vs diamonds.

there are a lot of other factors that go into game economics (its actually a college major) but those are a couple of the larger ones.

Also endgamers are not especially organized (least not on Artemis) they still undercut each other all the time.

On Reni ToSH H runs are guild only with the exception of EDH that pugs a healers sometime. So the drops are split evenly. And the only undercutters are guilds undercutting guilds. When Brogue's guild and my guild cleared ToSH on the same night. Price on ToSH gear plummeted. The first guild to clear on our server were selling UD pieces for 60m. Now they're all over the AH for 10m.

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521316"

And how much real life money would it take for you to tier up the weapon, plus, and drill it? Much more than ten dollars... why don't we complain about the prices Frogster charges for diamonds rather than other players charge for gear? Players charge that much for gear because it is relative to the amount of real life money it costs to maintain a character in this game. And we all know how expensive this game is...

The point isn't how high you are selling your gear, or even how expensive the game is. The point is that the prices you sell your gear for and the prices you ask for diamonds (25k per) makes no sense. My point is that Ebi has a point with diamond to gold prices. If your weapon is 80mil than why on earth would someone sell diamonds at 25k per. Just makes no sense to me.

Quoted from "maecon;521325"

The point isn't how high you are selling your gear, or even how expensive the game is. The point is that the prices you sell your gear for and the prices you ask for diamonds (25k per) makes no sense. My point is that Ebi has a point with diamond to gold prices. If your weapon is 80mil than why on earth would someone sell diamonds at 25k per. Just makes no sense to me.

Well, maybe when they buy diamonds they split the price of that too? So, takes three T7H runners to put in 10,000gp each to buy one diamond?

:EDIT: :END: (Forgot my smiley face)

We seem to be over looking a big factor in this discussion and that is overall CS prices, which ultimately is one of the biggest problem this game faces, along with the bugs.

Quoted from "maecon;521325"

The point isn't how high you are selling your gear, or even how expensive the game is. The point is that the prices you sell your gear for and the prices you ask for diamonds (25k per) makes no sense. My point is that Ebi has a point with diamond to gold prices. If your weapon is 80mil than why on earth would someone sell diamonds at 25k per. Just makes no sense to me.

That's not the price we ask for diamonds. It's the price we are offered. And it is exactly the price of the gear vs price of diamonds. It's because how much these diamonds cost in real life. It affects both P2P and F2P in prices of gearing and selling.

After removing 17 posts for various reasons having to do with forum rule violations...

ENOUGH!!!

You will play nice in here. You will follow the forum rules as they apply to posting and especially respecting other players' statements and opinions. If you do not, this thread will get closed or go *poof*.

I hope I have made this abundantly clear.

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521328"

That's not the price we ask for diamonds. It's the price we are offered.

Yea, I do understand that. My question would be what would happen if the price being offered was at least 45k per forever? Would your gear prices be raised eventually or would you except the 45k? Im thinking you would raise your gear prices.

Quoted from "zidlef;521231"

Ravesden, i did not say they are not buying it, i'm saying it is still too expensive that is all. I don't want to be end game, i want to have fun and teach people the how of instances. And hope to learn from others how to do higher ones. I don't want to be first to clear anything, but do it as a group. Don't take this wrong ;-) It's an opinion and expressed it.

my two cents

Was going to respond to your pm, until I read the other posts you made afterward. And look:

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[COLOR=black !important]Don't let anyone tell you what you should sell them for, gear prices will not go down, they make you think that it is. It went down from 200M to 70M, loll, the only reason is : they can't sell it anyways!!![/COLOR]

Yes, you did say we couldn't sell. Which is what I pointed out that was wrong.

Back to the Prodigy thing that you took as me not caring- I respect Prodigy. Theyve been a long time guild in Reni, never giving anyone unneeded drama. Fact of the matter is, they have never been an end game raiding guild. Never. Will they be in the future? I doubt it. Maybe they'll get help like EDH did from people who were ex Ragnaroks. Why'd EDH become end game? Because people who were already there brought them up.

Like I said before, competition (mainly from us and EDH) DRAGGED the prices down. Anything you say otherwise is simply incorrect. You are not in the midst of whats going on. You don't know the background as to WHY gear is being undercut. Are you in constant, daily communication with ALL top 3 guilds on Reni as I am? I HIGHLY doubt it.

As for the new instance, why would the gear sales be any different? You think that all of a sudden every instance after ToSH is going to get easier? If you cant do ToSH when the new content comes out, what makes you think you'll be able to do the new instance itself? I guarantee you'll still be buying gear from another guild who runs it.

But who knows? Maybe your guild will merge (again) and acquire end gamers ready to run the new stuff. I can't predict that. But what I *do* see, is there is no incentive to go to Prodigy from an end game standpoint. They have nothing to offer that we already have. Take offense to this if you want, but its the truth. End gamers look for end game guilds.

Go ahead. Complain about prices that have dropped from 200m to 50-60m over the spam of a couple of days. We know not to give discounts to these very same people. And Zidlef, for only being in that guild for a few days, you're doing a good job at diminishing their reputation.

This is all coming from someone, for the most part, that buys his own diamonds with his own hard earned cash.

i agree with you ebi - and you know how to fix this..? -GIFT OPTION- removing it or limiting 1 gift per toon