Runes of Magic US / AU

Has anyone mentioned that the high prices are the reason the game has so many "gimme gear or im gone" players? If i read a thread that said i needed $500 to gear up, I wouldn't even waste my time on this game. Is boycotting endgamers via diamond sales the way to go? Who knows, but it can't hurt. "We won't sell you gear". And? If I can't afford the gear in the first place, you aren't exactly keeping anything from ME now are you? The OP is correct, the only way to lower prices is to "just say no" to the elitist f2p players until they can be more reasonable with prices. After all, a diamond buyer has what you want, keeping us from something we can't get anyways isn't exactly a legitimate bargaining chip now is it....

Quoted from "dexhunterz;521399"

Has anyone mentioned that the high prices are the reason the game has so many "gimme gear or im gone" players? If i read a thread that said i needed $500 to gear up, I wouldn't even waste my time on this game. Is boycotting endgamers via diamond sales the way to go? Who knows, but it can't hurt. "We won't sell you gear". And? If I can't afford the gear in the first place, you aren't exactly keeping anything from ME now are you? The OP is correct, the only way to lower prices is to "just say no" to the elitist f2p players until they can be more reasonable with prices. After all, a diamond buyer has what you want, keeping us from something we can't get anyways isn't exactly a legitimate bargaining chip now is it....

my opinion is this game is really good but there is too much ftp ptp stuff ,if this issue could be bypassed this game could take the number 1 spot for mmorpg

Quoted from "timthum;521400"

my opinion is this game is really good but there is too much ftp ptp stuff ,if this issue could be bypassed this game could take the number 1 spot for mmorpg

qft

How is this going on 15 pages? lol. I really don't want to sound like I'm engaging troll mode, but beyond the whole "who has more control" and "f2p vs p2p feud"... what exactly is the justification for spending ANY hard earned cash on not only a f2p MMO, but a f2p MMO that is buggy as heck, has a decreasing population, a borked economy, and a developer that doesn't care about anything? So you can see how fast you can blow your paycheck into the wind? rofl. About a year ago, it'd be like flushing money down the toilet. Now it's like shredding it, burning it, and then flushing it down the toilet.

I have a better idea. Invest your money in a savings account and save it for a game that deserves your generous contributions and will put it to good use. RoM has done absolutely NOTHING recently to deserve the massive amounts of money that are still being pumped into the game by 12% of the players (maybe less than 12% by now because some have likely smartened up and taken their business elsewhere). You don't have to quit RoM; by all accounts it still has a half-decent level of playability, but to claim that it's still the best one out there...I don't believe that. Especially since a lot of nice games have been released this year in far superior quality and content to RoM (doesn't even include the big up-and-comings like GW2 and DIII). Spend your money on a game where you will be getting your money's worth in return.

So I agree with a lot of people in this thread. Don't sell diamonds. But actually, it'd be even better to just stop buying all together. What people don't seem to accept is that those who were formerly p2p and are now f2p have mostly transitioned because they are just straight-up realistic about what is happening with RoM.

My 2 cents, although I'm sure no one will be willing to accept the truth in what I have said here.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;521382"

Several new players that I recruited lasted exactly one day. I helped them to get to lvl 40 with their toons and then they started to look into the AH and both decided to quit when they saw the prices that players werw wanting for gear. The player base cannot support that and like it states above will continue to decline until there are no new players coming in, and a lot of others have moved on to other games.

This has nothing to do with players. This, again, has to do with Frogster. Frogster has the ability to control how much gold is in the game, but they choose not to. Swag gave you a wonderful gift in Owenstein which, if utilized correctly, could've filtered out much of the excess gold created in the game.

When you have hyperinflation as RoM has, the people whom benefit the most will be the ones that get to touch the gold first (the wealthy). As when any fiat money is debased, the middle class shrinks and the gap between the rich and the poor widens. Thus, we get what you're noticing. I'm not sure why Frogster doesn't see this, or perhaps they do and they're just in self-destruct mode.

to Ebilone: Make a fan club.
It's your choice to buy gears to be more powerful. You can buy cheap gears and still have fun. If your money so precious, why waste them in a game. You want to get best gears and yet you dont want to spend money. Just wait till gears price get lower. The way i see it: as dias price goes down, gears prices go down. End gamers used to sell gears in Artemis at 200m or higher bcuz dias price was at 80k each. Now you can see all gears are cheap. Ld gears go for 30m or less or sometime ppl sell for abl+ 5m. So yea have patience and wait for cheap price or...

Reni's always been a bit of an oddball in terms of server progression/diamond prices.

The same groups of endgamers get together, progress through the newest content, get bored, start fighting with one another, cause massive amounts of grief to other players, and break apart into new guilds. Some inside the new guilds don't want to run the endgame instances, some aren't ready to, others still are too scared person X will wipe the group and refuse to run. There are a multitude of reasons why even the biggest guilds can't scrounge together the right group to run a high-level instance.

Add to that the explosive egos and epeens usually associated with bleeding-edge players, and you've generally got a recipe for disaster when it comes to market pricing for gear. Mage staffs and gear are expensive for a reason- it's next to impossible to get the gear to drop for it in anything higher than DOD. Our stat rolls also just got nuked, so stats correspondingly rose a bit in price.

I'd join the Overlords channel just to watch others throw out ideas on raising the price per diamond. But short of better sales occurring in the cash shop, I do not honestly believe things will improve for diamond prices (improve meaning increase).

And before anyone cries wolf about it, there ARE guilds on the Reni server which are about to become competition for the top 3. I watched Ragnarok and Wanted fall apart due to some of the reasons I mentioned earlier. At least one guild does not suffer many of the same symptoms.

Scarcity...maybe there aren't enough 24/7 no-lifing hardcore Farmers left in RoM. Supply and Demand

Really though if you got disposable income to spend on virtual items in an online game, then whats wrong with buying stuff at high prices, I mean nobody is forcing people to spend real life money, its a person choice to spend. If something isn't the price you want it to be, then don't buy it...or if your selling and someone wants to change the price to better suit them, then don't Sell...

+10000000000000 to LadyMacV

LadyMacV, I would love to know who these guilds are. As far I know, no other guild has even cleared ToSH on norm let alone done the first boss on Hardmode. I would love for a multitude of guilds to put effort into clearing end game. Its good for the sever and keeps people from price gouging. If you don't want to have to worry about buying your way to end game, then go clear it. It really is a simple concept that is not easy to accomplish, but apparently everyone who does not run end game seems to have a better idea about it then those who do. Makes perfect sense.

Remember everyone, end gamers are the enemy!!! +10000000 to that...

The real enemy are the CS prices and what it takes to make one piece of gear.

I don't have the time to read all posts, my question is: did regentego finally become an overlord? If not, do you think that he was too coward to try or he took his chance and discovered he was terribly wrong?

Quoted from "ZeroCutter;521415"

to Ebilone: Make a fan club.
It's your choice to buy gears to be more powerful. You can buy cheap gears and still have fun. If your money so precious, why waste them in a game. You want to get best gears and yet you dont want to spend money. Just wait till gears price get lower. The way i see it: as dias price goes down, gears prices go down. End gamers used to sell gears in Artemis at 200m or higher bcuz dias price was at 80k each. Now you can see all gears are cheap. Ld gears go for 30m or less or sometime ppl sell for abl+ 5m. So yea have patience and wait for cheap price or...

I'm not sure why this keeps getting thrown out there. There was always a parallel between gear prices and diamonds, but not for this reason. You could argue that gear prices set diamond prices, but not vice versa.

If diamond prices instantly cut drastically, gear prices would remain where they are. The free market sets gear prices, and no amount of diamonds will increase the quantity of gear. I knew of a few people who had several gold capped toons, meaning there were definitely more. How many gold capped toons do you need to justify lowering gear prices? The number is unlimited, which is why gear prices are where they are -- the free market sets the price. As it should.

On the flip side, if gear prices slashed, some people might be able to justify the cost of buying diamonds to generate gold and buy the gear. This instance is still not ideal, because you'll run into shortages and empty auction houses. Still though, more people would be willing to enter the lottery to perhaps be the person lucky enough to snag something off of the auction house by being in the right place at the right time.

Free market economics does work -- the problem isn't f2p or p2p. The economic issues in the game still remains the same: not enough diamonds on the servers and too much gold.

Quoted from "Collusion;521467"

I'm not sure why this keeps getting thrown out there. There was always a parallel between gear prices and diamonds, but not for this reason. You could argue that gear prices set diamond prices, but not vice versa.

If diamond prices instantly cut drastically, gear prices would remain where they are. The free market sets gear prices, and no amount of diamonds will increase the quantity of gear. I knew of a few people who had several gold capped toons, meaning there were definitely more. How many gold capped toons do you need to justify lowering gear prices? The number is unlimited, which is why gear prices are where they are -- the free market sets the price. As it should.

On the flip side, if gear prices slashed, some people might be able to justify the cost of buying diamonds to generate gold and buy the gear. This instance is still not ideal, because you'll run into shortages and empty auction houses. Still though, more people would be willing to enter the lottery to perhaps be the person lucky enough to snag something off of the auction house by being in the right place at the right time.

Free market economics does work -- the problem isn't f2p or p2p. The economic issues in the game still remains the same: not enough diamonds on the servers and too much gold.

Not the case on Reni at all. There are a ton of active diamonds sellers on Reni over the past few months. From those who sell 100 diamonds to those wanting to sell in the thousands, each time I or my guildies have world shouted WTB, we have been getting multiple responses. There was a guy world shouting for a few days about wanting to sell diamonds and few were buying. The biggest issue has been the terrible item shop sales and the high price of item shop items and its been that way for months now. EU is killing this game on the US side. We had it good with Swag and a completely separate Froggy US.

I can guarentee you that FEU will kill this game faster then any one group of those mean, nasty, greedy end gamers. DOWN with end gamers!!!! Another +10000000 to that shizzle.....

Quoted from "brogue;521464"

The real enemy are the CS prices and what it takes to make one piece of gear.

Completely agree with you...

What i see by reading the forums, people in big guilds trying to push little guilds around. Hiding behing their keyboards and just showing how big they are. I am not in this game for long, but reading the forums makes me laugh. Ebilone is right anout people hiding behind anonymous accounts. At least he posts his name and not afraid to show who he is in game. You have a few others that does the same, but brogue is just hiding behind his guild, and keyboard. 17th best on Reni, says who? i look up the rankings and i never saw best player ranking in there? And never saw your name there either brogue. OOps probably hiding behind keyboard again, either afraid or so hated he has to hide , loll.


For new players like me prices are ridiculous in AH and others. As previous games i played you always have little people in big guilds starting wars to shut people up, about their attempt to control the economy of a game.

Why would anyone in their right mind spend 500$ on a game loll, just stupid. This is suppose to be free to play, isn't it?

Anyways i just started to play and don't see the point of spending that kind of money to enjoy yourself in a GAME!!!!


Cattiebry

Attempting to control others is a disease

P.S. Also what is CS?

Quoted from "Cattiebry;521475"

What i see by reading the forums, people in big guilds trying to push little guilds around. Hiding behing their keyboards and just showing how big they are. I am not in this game for long, but reading the forums makes me laugh. Ebilone is right anout people hiding behind anonymous accounts. At least he posts his name and not afraid to show who he is in game. You have a few others that does the same, but brogue is just hiding behind his guild, and keyboard. 17th best on Reni, says who? i look up the rankings and i never saw best player ranking in there? And never saw your name there either brogue. OOps probably hiding behind keyboard again, either afraid or so hated he has to hide , loll.


For new players like me prices are ridiculous in AH and others. As previous games i played you always have little people in big guilds starting wars to shut people up, about their attempt to control the economy of a game.

Why would anyone in their right mind spend 500$ on a game loll, just stupid. This is suppose to be free to play, isn't it?

Anyways i just started to play and don't see the point of spending that kind of money to enjoy yourself in a GAME!!!!


Cattiebry

Attempting to control others is a disease

Brogue isn't hiding behind his keyboard. His signature itself gives away who he is if you played on Reni. If you don't play on Reni, then why do you care?

You think it's the end gamer's fault that this F2P game costs over $500 to play? Then you sir are confused. Forget about selling diamonds. From the diamonds needed to buy charges to tier up a weapon to the amounts of Puri stones to stat your gear, the amount of diamonds to plus your gears and the amount of diamonds to drill rune slots, and then the amount of diamonds to buy runes. That in itself is well over $500 worth. It isn't the player base that makes this game so expensive to play. It's Frogster that makes this game expensive to play.

Cattiebry, trollololol. You don't get it. First you make assumptions about my forum sig, which you have no clue about. Its meant as a joke, next ..... learn2trollbetter .

Back on topic. Complain all you want about this/that and who stole who's cookie and why their cookie's taste better and blah blah blah, when it doesn't really matter cause the CS is completely borked. I would love for Rom to be back in the days of +6 jewels and running hoto/hos.

The REASON many people try to remain f2p is because it is completely ridiculous how much it costs to gear at end game. I can easily buy diamonds and spend hundreds a month on this game but I refuse to do it. I was once a diamond buyer and then I looked at my bank statements and compared them to the progress I had made in getting to end game/gearing and it was stupid. I refuse to spend hundreds or even thousands on a video game and this is the main flaw in the economic model this game uses.

Lady here and not Sir lol, i don't see any Brogue toon anywhere in rankings ? or i might be blind.

I don't think Frogster controls the price of stuff being traded in game, players do. I will never invest money in a virtual world, lol, i'm not that crazy. If i need those diamond thing, i'll buy them myself and keep them, but not happening. And i do play on Reni, just not enough time for now to play, but soon.

Cattiebry

Quoted from "Cattiebry;521484"

Lady here and not Sir lol, i don't see any Brogue toon anywhere in rankings ? or i might be blind.

I don't think Frogster controls the price of stuff being traded in game, players do. I will never invest money in a virtual world, lol, i'm not that crazy. If i need those diamond thing, i'll buy them myself and keep them, but not happening. And i do play on Reni, just not enough time for now to play, but soon.

Cattiebry

His toon name isn't Brogue. You yourself stated that you aren't quite active at the moment. If you were more active, you would know who he is. His guild name/guild history/ and a hidden meaning is in his signature. Also, the main problem here is that everyone is complaining about how much it would cost to purchase a piece of gear from selling diamonds. That gear is expensive and diamonds aren't selling for much. That IS Frogster dictating prices in game by the price of how much real life money is needed to do ANYTHING in this game. To put it short, P2P players feel they aren't getting their money's worth. And then they take up this anger out on the F2P end gamers where it is Frogster that is overcharging us all for pixels.