Runes of Magic US / AU

Jezz you must be an 16 year old, brogue, truly. I should know who you are on server, how? i looked up brogue and none show up. If you had to check bank statement to know how much you have spent?? you are not all there, lol. By a box game for 60$ and enjoy yourself and stop complaining people.

Your trollolol , how mature, avoiding the answer to a question. Met a lot of people like you in other games. Stay in your corner and come out to talk when you can speak, please.

But truly we are not allowed our opinion because you guys control all, lol.

Cattiebry

BTW you want us to have insight in people toons names in the riddles? Firetruck you post your in game name, why don't others do? Main account banned, afraid to show true colors, or just hiding? You guys are so funny.

Its ok Bangs, I got this.

Your not important enough to know who I am, or to tell me what to do. What you can do is try to stay on topic and stop harrassing/stalking me. Its creepy. Soon a forum mod will come to clean this up and close the thread cause you can't drop it. Add something constructive to the thread and EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT.

Quoted from "Cattiebry;521488"

Jezz you must be an 16 year old, brogue, truly. I should know who you are on server, how? i looked up brogue and none show up. If you had to check bank statement to know how much you have spent?? you are not all there, lol. By a box game for 60$ and enjoy yourself and stop complaining people.

Your trollolol , how mature, avoiding the answer to a question. Met a lot of people like you in other games. Stay in your corner and come out to talk when you can speak, please.

But truly we are not allowed our opinion because you guys control all, lol.

Cattiebry

BTW you want us to have insight in people toons names in the riddles? Firetruck you post your in game name, why don't others do? Main account banned, afraid to show true colors, or just hiding? You guys are so funny.

Nowhere does it state that one must state their toon name in their signature. Brogue hints it, if you get it. Good. If not, o well. No one cares. Really. Someone can say total crap about me and I can care less. How are we controlling your opinions? Am I censoring your posts? No, feel free to speak. Also, he isn't the one complaining about the game prices as he is F2P so your "Buy a box game for $60 and enjoy yourself and stop complaining" is targetted at the wrong person. But enough about that as this is starting a flame war, is against the forum rules and is derailing the thread. More constructive posts that are on topic plox?

Kalvan has already warned you guys.

Please remain on-topic.

I doubt we want to lock this thread because a bunch of you cannot keep it civil.

-TunaShake

Quoted from "brogue;521470"

EU is killing this game on the US side. We had it good with Swag and a completely separate Froggy US.

I can guarentee you that FEU will kill this game faster then any one group of those mean, nasty, greedy end gamers. DOWN with end gamers!!!! Another +10000000 to that shizzle.....

Completely agree on this.

Quoted from "regentego;521473"

Join date Mar 2012? K what did you get banned for? Cowards use anonymous accounts to attempt to flame others. As Dazer says, start a fan club.

If I am correct, this is EU end gamer, and now we know why EU forums are not that helpful and active.

Quoted from "brogue;521481"

Cattiebry, trollololol. You don't get it. First you make assumptions about my forum sig, which you have no clue about. Its meant as a joke, next ..... learn2trollbetter .

Back on topic. Complain all you want about this/that and who stole who's cookie and why their cookie's taste better and blah blah blah, when it doesn't really matter cause the CS is completely borked. I would love for Rom to be back in the days of +6 jewels and running hoto/hos.

The REASON many people try to remain f2p is because it is completely ridiculous how much it costs to gear at end game. I can easily buy diamonds and spend hundreds a month on this game but I refuse to do it. I was once a diamond buyer and then I looked at my bank statements and compared them to the progress I had made in getting to end game/gearing and it was stupid. I refuse to spend hundreds or even thousands on a video game and this is the main flaw in the economic model this game uses.

Same here. If they adjusted prices over time, more people would play the game. First thing everyone tells new person - IT IS EXPENSIVE AND IT WILL GET MORE EXPENSIVE. Some people can't wait new chapter, and IMHO, it will be another 'price rise' for the game - not something I am hopping to see...

Quoted from "TunaShake;521512"

Kalvan has already warned you guys.

Please remain on-topic.

I doubt we want to lock this thread because a bunch of you cannot keep it civil.

-TunaShake

Our EU guests are kind of provoking users, don't you think?

Quoted from "TunaShake;521512"

Kalvan has already warned you guys.

Please remain on-topic.

I doubt we want to lock this thread because a bunch of you cannot keep it civil.

-TunaShake

I apologize for my earlier disruptions. I was fooling around and shouldn't have replied with several of my messages.

Quoted from "RoMage;521518"

Some people can't wait new chapter, and IMHO, it will be another 'price rise' for the game - not something I am hopping to see...

Yes. We are in deflationary period because people have geared up. That reduces the demand side since those who are rich already got good stuff and need less. And it increases the supply side, because we have competition among sellers.

Come next chapter, the same thing is likely to happen that happened with chapter 4. Demand will increase as people regear and supply will decrease. In beginning of chapter 4, we got sharp inflationary spike; we are likely getting same in Ch 5.

The controls available to Frogs to regulate the economy are not likely to be effective; so I would prepare for new round of disturbances.

Here's what it all boils down too, the CS.. Now on Osha we still high prices on gear and sometimes i look at it and just shake my head cause I'm now seeing dia sellers selling diamonds for 40 to 45k and yet most gear is still overpriced. I personally spend more money on this game then i would like my wife to find out about(that's a story for another day kiddies). But about a month ago there was a daym good sale on diamonds so i whipped out the credit card and even spent some built up zevexx. I ended up with a huge amount of diamonds but guess what i sat on most of that for weeks until the infamous "get everything" gasha, then i went a bit nutty. Since FEU has taken over the CS it has been fail.. most of the time when i see sellers shouting to sell at 45k its because the CS is offering something extremely lame. But when there's something acutaly good i'll bet my acct that the prices of diamonds will go up.

Its not all on the players for the price of gear and diamonds, FEU has a hand in this. I do agree with Ebi to a point that the diamond sellers need to band together and work something out, but at the same time the "Endgame guild's" need to work together better esp on Osha. We have several guilds that can run ToSh, hell EoT has made an attempt but because of broken mechanics(once again another story for another time), it didn't turn out pretty from what i hear. I ofcourse had to work so i wasnt able to join in the deathfest LOL.

I have plenty of friends and a few Frenemys in one particular guild that i won't name any names, but i can always get what i want and or need but simply talking to ppl. Sometimes its a communication problem and for god sakes, MAKE friends. 90% of my diamonds go to friends and guildie's at cut rates and do u know why? Cause they are good ppl and my friends. My Warden isnt the top on Osha but she gets the job done(500k pdef still wearing chainmail) and i still pump out some good dps. But am i Endgame, not really, i'm more of upper middle game Its a game for gods sake, have fun and make friends, Run endgame content if u can and if u cant and still want the shiney gear, either buy and sell diamonds or make friends.

In the End its all about choice and right now its FEU's choice to not listen to its US player base. Btw i Hear Hellokitty is a cool online game LOL. Anyways have fun and play a game, when it stops being fun is when its time to move on.

I just spent literally 34 minutes reading page after page absorbing information from both sides. It's clearly to me that both sides think the other side is off their "rocker". Being a former heavy diamond purchaser I will agree that ah prices have no idea to compare to real life diamond pricing.

The virtual seller, the one who can get the items, will almost always overvalue the product they can produce for the player who can't or doesn't want to run the instances to get his or her own gear. And to some extent they should be doing this to make sure that gold isn't an issue for them. What most people don't realize is two things: first a diamond seller should always contact the person with the item directly and discuss a reasonable price for the item. When you go into a used car shop you never try to pay sticker price do you? Second while the virtual seller can argue the point of the cost to gear up and run the instance you fail to recognize you've been compensated in the past with other sales so by no means should a $100 in diamonds be a "reasonable" price for one item in the game.

This debate has been around for years. The bottom line comes down to the players who spent countless hours playing this game and advancing should be rewarded for their efforts. And yes diamond sellers who actually spend the money on the game, who keep this game alive should be rewarded as well. At the end of the day without them this game simply would fade away and the vitural seller will have nothing left to look at but old screenshots of their toons. With a shrinking membership you might want to sit down with the players on the opposite side and start working some relationships otherwise it could be the death to a game we all love. People who actually pay for games will get fed up and move along to the next one. Food for thought. Feel free to justify (flame) away, I know I've taken my money to another mmo but still play this one for the social aspect.

Quoted from "guppymills;521532"

I just spent literally 34 minutes reading page after page absorbing information from both sides.

^ exactly what I just did lol

My tuppence worth:

1. F2P v P2P <- how many F2P are actually endgamers? Maybe it's just me being uninformed but I highly doubt endgame F2P shadows the amount of low - mid playing F2Ps.

2. 'I MUST use chap 4 gears to clear chap 4 content' <- that's the mentality of a lot of peeps who're buying gear, no one is willing to use chap 3 gear (available cheap fully statted/plussed for as little as 10 mil in AH). Why use something that's a bargain (slightly outdated yes, but it's not like you have to plus or drill or stat it) so I can get in the new instances sooner and farm my own when I can spend double/triple/x10 the amount of time/gold trying to get a piece of new content gear.

Quoted from "mikkehboii;521346"

Did I mention my W/Wdn is wearing T4 Imprisonment dirty statted Hunter's Helm, and 3 Pc Devil Slaughter and I RUN TOSH-H WITHOUT being carried?

^ 100% true, sure we laugh at his DoD HP and when he dies (a LOT), but this goes back to how well you know how to your class, you can be fully decked out in endgame gear and yet still be a mediocre DPS/Healer.

3. Are ToSH and GC (HM) the only instances available on this game? (<-- a serious question btw), why do we assume that you're a nobody in this game until you're fully decked out in TOSH/GCH gear?

4. Not every endgamer is loaded with billions of gold (fact), the ones who do are in a minority. Please don't group every person who runs endgame content as a money gouging rich 'xyz'... this thread appears more to be endgame vs dia sellers as opposed to the original stated discussion of F2P vs P2P.

5. Apologies to anyone who thinks 50-100mil on a group sale is a rip off, we do have to answer to 12 people in the party who walks out (if the item sells) with 4-8mil after 2-3 hours of wiping.

Quoted from "brogue;521464"

LadyMacV, I would love to know who these guilds are. As far I know, no other guild has even cleared ToSH on norm let alone done the first boss on Hardmode. I would love for a multitude of guilds to put effort into clearing end game. Its good for the sever and keeps people from price gouging. If you don't want to have to worry about buying your way to end game, then go clear it. It really is a simple concept that is not easy to accomplish, but apparently everyone who does not run end game seems to have a better idea about it then those who do. Makes perfect sense.

Remember everyone, end gamers are the enemy!!! +10000000 to that...

The real enemy are the CS prices and what it takes to make one piece of gear.

Let me put it this way:

Not every guild on the server is going to world shout it when they clear TOSH normal or hard mode. Not every guild is going to post a video of the clear on Youtube. Now why, you may ask, would that guild not want to celebrate it when they do?

They would love to, and they do celebrate- but in private. Simply put, there are certain guilds on the server who've made it clear that their intent is to break up any guild attempting to clear the hardest instances, either by attempting to convince those in the lesser known guilds to join their guild- or by starting drama. Either tactic can be a very efficient guild killer. The easiest way to avoid that particular tactic is to not make it known if/when a guild clears a particular instance.

I'm not saying that there is no cross-communication between the guilds, just that certain guilds are getting a wee bit sneakier about what information goes out, to whom, and when.

But elvie our time is worth nothing. The hours we spend in ToSH are only for us to give away the gear we have earned and by god we should not make profit in anyway. HOW DARE YOU.

LadyMac, if we are talking about the same end game guild in my sig, I completely understand.

I agree Ebil. If Froggy were to lower the cost of CS items they would see a boost in the number of people buying diamonds as they would actually be some what worth the cost. They would also see a jump in population and return service. Instead they are keeping this "turn and burn" business model you speak of and just continue to fail and fail.

Quoted from "brogue;521562"

But elvie our time is worth nothing. The hours we spend in ToSH are only for us to give away the gear we have earned and by god we should not make profit in anyway. HOW DARE YOU.

LadyMac, if we are talking about the same end game guild in my sig, I completely understand.

I happen to run in one of the other three guilds you mentioned, which is why I brought up the subject. That guild is still having an effect on gear prices in the server, but because the guilds are getting smarter about going around them (either by finding their own way to endgame via the cash shop/running the progression themselves) or bettering themselves via working with other groups, there are a lot more up-and-coming guilds than there may seem to be at first. A bunch are close to pushing endgame.

The psych warfare going on is a pretty desperate attempt at keeping the status quo, despite the breakup of a bunch of the old endgame guilds a few months ago. It's going to crack open like an egg on a skillet come Chapter 5.

this topic isnt going anywhere .there is too much QQ on both sides. /closethread

Quoted from "maomiai;521550"

5. Apologies to anyone who thinks 50-100mil on a group sale is a rip off, we do have to answer to 12 people in the party who walks out (if the item sells) with 4-8mil after 2-3 hours of wiping.

I don't understand the concept of charging people gold for the "work" of getting these items though.

Are instances supposed to be fun?
The idea that you should charge people hundreds of millions of gold for you to have fun is... baffling.

Quoted from "ruisen2000;521613"

I don't understand the concept of charging people gold for the "work" of getting these items though.

Are instances supposed to be fun?
The idea that you should charge people hundreds of millions of gold for you to have fun is... baffling.

I think you missed the 2-3 hours of wiping part. Heck, my guild usually has to take breaks during a tosh clear cause of the stress. You should hear my guilds vent when they take a break, you can feel the stress

Don't forget the stacks of phoenix's golden hammers,pots,foods,rice and repairs to go with those wipes. costs millions per run when your learning it for all involved.