Runes of Magic US / AU

Its absurd you compare a class with soul source/holy candle/holy aura with m/r or s/k. You are just wasting your time defending against an inevitable nerf. Try get on your m/p or m/s next time to get some practice of real dps rotation instead of spamming 1 button nonstop. What a joke notorious rofl

Quoted from "aamylove02;529571"

Its absurd you compare a class with soul source/holy candle/holy aura with m/r or s/k. You are just wasting your time defending against an inevitable nerf. Try get on your m/p or m/s next time to get some practice of real dps rotation instead of spamming 1 button nonstop. What a joke notorious rofl

Oh hooo. So, who exactly is Aamylove02 I wonder? Wanna throw a toon name out there? Someone from... Grimdal maybe? Maybe from that guild we faced tonight? Maybe even the trash talking person with the strange dog fixation?

Look, if that is who you are aamy, you don't need to be butthurt. We were really impressed at how coordinated and skilled you were, especially the mage/rogue. M/R gets silence and lightning, just like I get soul source and holy aura. See how that works? Balance and stuff.

You guys just don't have the gear yet. When that m/r gets the Shackles staff or a Tosh wand + dagger, and the gear to back it up, s/he'll be even fiercer than s/he is now, and that's pretty fierce. S/he'll be hitting 80k cursed fangs and maybe whole threads will be made complaining about m/r's because of it. It's a unique and fun class to play I hear.

P/S is no uber threat to the equally geared. And if you are from that guild on Grimdal, thanks for the great clean siege And if you aren't, whenever did I ever take a wee in your Wheaties?

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;529569"

If you would prefer the non tl;dr version

Nope, I always prefer the awesome 6+ paragraph version from you fan =)

Quoted from "aamylove02;529571"

Its absurd you compare a class with soul source/holy candle/holy aura with m/r or s/k. You are just wasting your time defending against an inevitable nerf. Try get on your m/p or m/s next time to get some practice of real dps rotation instead of spamming 1 button nonstop. What a joke notorious rofl

Here's siege ended early so I logged into Palenque and siege with Notorious, and I don't know, the "joke" guild Notorious pretty much dominated the entire siege and held all the towers till the end.

Anyone want to redefine the word "joke" for me now?

And Fan, perhaps they were referring to your Muttley laugh?

Quoted from "Ravesden;529605"

And Fan, perhaps they were referring to your Muttley laugh?

So mean to Fan. She is your guild leader Raves, show respects to the mighty p/s. At least you don't have to listen to "Burning Ring of Fire" in noto vent.

Quoted from "brogue;529607"

So mean to Fan. She is your guild leader Raves, show respects to the mighty p/s. At least you don't have to listen to "Burning Ring of Fire" in noto vent.

I never thought of it like that

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;529569"

Many other class combos have ranged spammable skills. For example, m/r and s/k. No one is demanding that those skills be nerfed, and that is not because these skills are not just as deadly as Ice Blade,

No, we don't... You keep saying that Cursed Fangs = Ice Blade and it just ins't the case. Cursed Fangs is a projectile. There is, no doubt about it, a travel time. Health bars don't move at all till that thing hits and it doesn't fly particularly quickly. I can "throw" 3 of them and if I die before they hit, they do no damage. It happens all the time. CF is a useless skill against a P/S because, even if I start casting at the exact same time as they start casting IB (or a bit before actually), I'm dead and they take no damage. It doesn't instantly materialize over someones head and hit the moment I hit the spell. There aren't any other spells quite like that... that are that fast, hit that hard, and at that range. This is exactly why the thread exists

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;529569"

If this was a different kind of game, where gear modification and hybridization was not possible, then it would be reasonable to state that a class like a damage dealing priest was "wrong" somehow. However, this IS a gear modification game that features hybridization prominently; therefore the complaint that a damage dealing healer exists (actually there are at least three, p/w and d/w are dd classes as well) makes no sense. If you wish your healing classes to only heal, there are other games you may choose to play.

That's just it... for all other classes this *is* a triumvirate game. There isn't a DPS class that can heal as effectively as a P/S can DPS. Yea, you can build a tank to hit harder or a DPS with more HP but on a PVP scale, you are just robbing one for the other. We understand that, in order to make a IB P/S you reduce healing capacity but, again, on a PVP scale where all any healer can really do is keep people alive from bleeds or non crits, it is still many times over what anyone with a /p or /d sub can do given the mechanics of heals available to a secondary.

Are other classes OP? probably... Is perma hide for a rogue a bit much? probably... That is a discussion for a different thread. Obviously runaway DPS is the main problem for siege in general. The issue here, however, is that in PVP the P/S represents the only class that can kill like DPS, heal like a healer, and has an extra immune thrown on top for good measure. There is a *reason* you are bringing your P/S to PVP and not M/P or S/P, after all. That's fine... I'm not really for nerfing anything other than the entire damage calculation for all of Siege. But you can't say that its illogical for people to question the P/S when no other combo in the game is anywhere near as proficient in multiple roles like that.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again: Ice Blade has not been changed since Open Beta. Absolutely nothing has been done to it. If it's hitting someone too hard in siege, that is siege mechanics, not the skill itself. If it's hitting hard in PVE, maybe PVP, that's because the player has statted for it and given something (to an extent) up for it. I'm personally tired of this conversation, and not just because I'm a p/s. Don't blame the player or the skill, blame the mechanics of the game.

Quoted from "Stagg3r;529630"

No, we don't... You keep saying that Cursed Fangs = Ice Blade and it just ins't the case. Cursed Fangs is a projectile. There is, no doubt about it, a travel time. Health bars don't move at all till that thing hits and it doesn't fly particularly quickly. I can "throw" 3 of them and if I die before they hit, they do no damage. It happens all the time. CF is a useless skill against a P/S because, even if I start casting at the exact same time as they start casting IB (or a bit before actually), I'm dead and they take no damage. It doesn't instantly materialize over someones head and hit the moment I hit the spell. There aren't any other spells quite like that... that are that fast, hit that hard, and at that range. This is exactly why the thread exists

Yep, this is what I've been saying which is why I'm all for a travel time to Iceblade, though it would be cool if all projectiles hit regardless of if you died or not, that might affect PvE but it'd make sense especially for arrows. I mean... is my arrow an extension of myself suddenly and it's metaphorical or is it a real arrow I'm wasting, arrows don't just fall to the ground if the person who threw them dies and I'm not sure a fireball would either.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;529575"

Oh hooo. So, who exactly is Aamylove02 I wonder? Wanna throw a toon name out there? Someone from... Grimdal maybe? Maybe from that guild we faced tonight? Maybe even the trash talking person with the strange dog fixation?

Look, if that is who you are aamy, you don't need to be butthurt. We were really impressed at how coordinated and skilled you were, especially the mage/rogue. M/R gets silence and lightning, just like I get soul source and holy aura. See how that works? Balance and stuff.

You guys just don't have the gear yet. When that m/r gets the Shackles staff or a Tosh wand + dagger, and the gear to back it up, s/he'll be even fiercer than s/he is now, and that's pretty fierce. S/he'll be hitting 80k cursed fangs and maybe whole threads will be made complaining about m/r's because of it. It's a unique and fun class to play I hear.

P/S is no uber threat to the equally geared. And if you are from that guild on Grimdal, thanks for the great clean siege And if you aren't, whenever did I ever take a wee in your Wheaties?

"Ohh look, i'm going to dismiss your post because everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot"

this is about all i get from your posts regarding the P/S Iceblade. Try posting some actual information instead of opinion, like how Mdef does next to nothing against Iceblade.

It does. But it scales differently. AND it states that it works differently more or less clearly on the skill itself.

Quoted from "Stagg3r;529630"

No, we don't... You keep saying that Cursed Fangs = Ice Blade and it just ins't the case. Cursed Fangs is a projectile. There is, no doubt about it, a travel time. Health bars don't move at all till that thing hits and it doesn't fly particularly quickly. I can "throw" 3 of them and if I die before they hit, they do no damage. It happens all the time. CF is a useless skill against a P/S because, even if I start casting at the exact same time as they start casting IB (or a bit before actually), I'm dead and they take no damage. It doesn't instantly materialize over someones head and hit the moment I hit the spell. There aren't any other spells quite like that... that are that fast, hit that hard, and at that range. This is exactly why the thread exists




That's just it... for all other classes this *is* a triumvirate game. There isn't a DPS class that can heal as effectively as a P/S can DPS. Yea, you can build a tank to hit harder or a DPS with more HP but on a PVP scale, you are just robbing one for the other. We understand that, in order to make a IB P/S you reduce healing capacity but, again, on a PVP scale where all any healer can really do is keep people alive from bleeds or non crits, it is still many times over what anyone with a /p or /d sub can do given the mechanics of heals available to a secondary.

Are other classes OP? probably... Is perma hide for a rogue a bit much? probably... That is a discussion for a different thread. Obviously runaway DPS is the main problem for siege in general. The issue here, however, is that in PVP the P/S represents the only class that can kill like DPS, heal like a healer, and has an extra immune thrown on top for good measure. There is a *reason* you are bringing your P/S to PVP and not M/P or S/P, after all. That's fine... I'm not really for nerfing anything other than the entire damage calculation for all of Siege. But you can't say that its illogical for people to question the P/S when no other combo in the game is anywhere near as proficient in multiple roles like that.

+1

But I would like to add the distraction the p/s heavy guilds are trying to run is the rogues are OP because of class general skills. This is not the case, I have played every rogue class what makes r/s seem OP is shot and VA. Not hide, I have been doing alot of Arena on my r/p and find myself using numbing dagger to gain an advantage in hide rather then VA. But if you go nerfing general skills you are hurting every rogue combo.

The difference here is Iceblade Is an elite like no other, no other elite operates with the damage, and spammability of IB. I'm noticing all the p/s and their friends patting each other on the back. They are just trying to bury the fact no other skill is like IB. They stand to lose much by losing this skill.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;529634"

this is about all i get from your posts regarding the P/S Iceblade. Try posting some actual information instead of opinion, like how Mdef does next to nothing against Iceblade.

False. Simply false. There's a reason Fan can't hit Ravesden for squat. Or I can't kill a healer to save my life.

I have 30K matk. If mdef did nothing against iceblade i'd be hitting everybody just as hard as I hit a warrior with no mdef, however, guess what, I don't.

Mdef makes a difference, just cause you apparently have none doesn't mean it doesn't.

Raves especially has shown time and time again how much mdef affects magical skills.

Quoted from "regentego;529636"

+1

They stand to lose much by losing this skill.

If P/S loses Iceblade, the class becomes useless.

If R/S loses shot and vamp, they are still the most overpowered rogue.

Quoted from "Borella;529638"

If P/S loses Iceblade, the class becomes useless.

If R/S loses shot and vamp, they are still the most overpowered rogue.

You're useless without one skill? So your heals are useless too, after all that's what you are. Me im burst DPS, that's my job!

"Tehehehe oh good one Borella, we all love your posts!"

Quoted from "Borella;529638"

If P/S loses Iceblade, the class becomes useless.

If R/S loses shot and vamp, they are still the most overpowered rogue.

From someone who sounds like they know very little about rogues.. if r/s lost VA and shot though they'd have no way to combat roots like lightning very well though.

Shot and VA are pretty much a staple in the arsenal of any melle class that goes X/S simply because the skills are ranged.

If they took away shot and VA I'd probably hasten my gearing up of Wd/S or I'd just play as S/Wd.

Also 30k matk is very low.. most classes who don't stat Mdef have more Mdef than that, I'd be interested in knowing how much you're hitting with only 30k matk.

Quoted from "AngelIsrafel;529634"

"Ohh look, i'm going to dismiss your post because everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot"

this is about all i get from your posts regarding the P/S Iceblade. Try posting some actual information instead of opinion, like how Mdef does next to nothing against Iceblade.

Angel, I've agreed with you on many topics, but on this particular one, I just can't side with you. Mdef *does* affect iceblade. Now, I don't know your gear or your in game name, but I have sat down with Nyyx for a good hour testing iceblade, and mdef *does* reduce the damage, and it is very much noticeable.

My gear is outdated. Most of my stats are outdated. Im still wearing the Annelia set even though my guild can farm TOSH 2-4 times a day. Why? I don't see enough improvement between the sets to reinvest.

This being said, I resist a good amount of iceblades that come my way. Most iceblades hit me for 20-30k max. The end game mages that roll p/s that have T11 Shackles staffs? They hit for 50-60k. Fan says she got me for 70 once. I run around in siege with 120-185k mdef. Remember my gear is outdated. 0 TOSH gear on my toon.

The hard hitting p/s are TOSH geared going against my gch geared self. They deserve to hit hard. 100k iceblades? Never heard of em. Why? I have mdef.

Quoted from "Kefkai;529642"

From someone who sounds like they know very little about rogues.. if r/s lost VA and shot though they'd have no way to combat roots like lightning very well though.

Shot and VA are pretty much a staple in the arsenal of any melle class that goes X/S simply because the skills are ranged.

If they took away shot and VA I'd probably hasten my gearing up of Wd/S or I'd just play as S/Wd.

Also 30k matk is very low.. most classes who don't stat Mdef have more Mdef than that, I'd be interested in knowing how much you're hitting with only 30k matk.

She hits for 16k iceblades, I killed her in Arena as r/p, granted I had my mdef skill on, as r/s probably would have been 22k. Hmm should I change my sig to "Killed Borella" with a date?

Full Potential X and a lot of Enchantment VI/VII only gets to ~43k mdef and it was <40k before i put the runes in - and the point was that he would hit anyone the same if mdef was not taken into account.

Wow Borella is a she? I gotta tell MILI. She has a very masculine voice on TS.