Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "sabrione;529745"

Mages can kite you too, yet you do not complain about them. Please include everyone who can kite if you're going to complain about it. Also.. rogues don't get IB, so you may want to clarify your post there.

no wories they will get to mages once p/s is nerfed xD

dam OP roots and spammable flame.


also i dont really have an issue with the range... most scout skills have 200+ range.

Quoted from "Cronrs;529749"

no wories they will get to mages once p/s is nerfed xD

dam OP roots and spammable flame.

And next will be rogues, and then maybe they'll fix knights and nerf scouts to hell again... Sigh... why is this such a vicious cycle? They already nerfed mages once.

Quoted from "sabrione;529745"

Hrm... Maybe in 2-3 hits Ice Blade can hit as much as one 200k low blow, but one IB simply will not, can not, and has not hit for that much. As I said earlier in the thread, but no one was willing to listen to, it is okay to lower the range of ice blade a little. It will not kill it in PVE, nor in PVP, and the class still has soloability even with the other crappy attacks we have. Mages can kite you too, yet you do not complain about them. Please include everyone who can kite if you're going to complain about it. Also.. rogues don't get IB, so you may want to clarify your post there.

1) I've seen ice blade hit me for as high as 86k. I've seen other people on forums talk about 116k ice blades. Now I'm pretty sure 200k low blows aren't as common as the 116k ice blades.

2) No one complains about mages because a) they don't have one instant skill that they can spam OVER and OVER at 200m and nailing 116ks b) Yes, they can purgatory all they want but you'd have to be pretty darn close to get by it

3) I know rogues don't have ice blades *facepalm*. I said "rogues get 4". Most would understand that as "4 low blows".

Quoted from "L3g3nd;529739"

That's exactly the problem. "Mana is infinite resource".

I can speak for most rogues and simply state that we get a good 4 attacks a battle. We have to pretty darn close to shove the blade into another person's face.

Seems like Ice blade, for a purely mage-statted priest/scout, can hit close to / as much as a rogue's low blow but TWO advantages. They get to do it from 200m away not 50m away. I don't know about you but a 200m kiting-radius seems a lot more advantageous than a 50m one. Oh wait... and they get as many ice blades as they want. We get 4 as rogues.

Rogues energy can be an infinite source also. Rogues energy recharges at a constant rate at all times, i can spam low blow 6 nearly 7 times before i run out of energy. Yes a p/s's ice blade has 200 range but rogues have hide and can close the gap for the low blow or sneak attack or whatever u want to use. If the p/s is staying close to an eye of true knowledge then pop your movement speed buffs, then pop escape and u have 8 seconds to close the gap on the p/s. From what i have tested, escape set skill isn't affected by eye of true knowledge. last thing, if there is a scout and a p/s next to each other and you charge in and expect to kill them both, then you deserve to die.

If your running low on energy from all this low blow spamming then start using shot/vamp or run back and go into hide while your energy replenishes. During a whole hour of siege, i definitely get more kills with shot and vamp arrow then running then going in to low blow.

It seems like you are going to complain in this thread until a r/s can beat a p/s in every situation...

Quoted from "L3g3nd;529752"

1) I've seen ice blade hit me for as high as 86k. I've seen other people on forums talk about 116k ice blades. Now I'm pretty sure 200k low blows aren't as common as the 116k ice blades.
116k is not 200k, and I've been hit by a well-geared rogue for 200k every single time. Now, mind, that's with only 86k pdef, but still. Every. Single. Time.

2) No one complains about mages because a) they don't have one instant skill that they can spam OVER and OVER at 200m and nailing 116ks b) Yes, they can purgatory all they want but you'd have to be pretty darn close to get by it.
116k is less common than you think. I only hit 60k, *maybe*. They do, however, have instants, and they can make fireball damned close to one if they tried. GCD did not "fix" that as was intended. Nice try though.

3) I know rogues don't have ice blades *facepalm*. I said "rogues get 4". Most would understand that as "4 low blows".
Oh I understood, I'm not blonde and/or unintelligent. I just feel like it needs to be clarified because, quite frankly, I am tired of nerfing things that do not need to be nerfed.

Answers in bold

Quoted from "sabrione;529754"

Answers in bold

Honestly, how many people in siege war do you see walking around with 200k hp? If a poll was taken, I bet 90% of the people in siege war have less than 116k hp. Ok, let's say there is a rogue out there that just nails 200ks every hit on 86k pdef (I know I can't). 200k in this case would be an over kill. 116k ice blade or a 200k low blow will kill the majority of people in siege war all the same. Only difference here is like I said before, p/s get to do it from four times the distance of a rogue AND has an infinite stock of it.

Only way to cure this is to make Ice Blade percent based mana drain OR significantly lower the damage.

Quoted from "sabrione;529751"

And next will be rogues, and then maybe they'll fix knights and nerf scouts to hell again... Sigh... why is this such a vicious cycle? They already nerfed mages once.

I think its because they take so long to balance issues... and then when they do they make huge sweeping changes which cause other balance issues. If they want to do it right they should be making minor adjustments once a month or so rather then completely changing the face of the game every 6 months.

frankly im really looking forward to getting back into GW/GW2 and their systematic balancing system.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;529761"

Honestly, how many people in siege war do you see walking around with 200k hp (A lot actually...)? If a poll was taken, I bet 90% of the people in siege war have less than 116k hp. Ok, let's say there is a rogue out there that just nails 200ks every hit on 86k pdef (I know I can't). 200k in this case would be an over kill. 116k ice blade or a 200k low blow will kill the majority of people in siege war all the same. Only difference here is like I said before, p/s get to do it from four times the distance of a rogue AND has an infinite stock of it.

Only way to cure this is to make Ice Blade percent based mana drain OR significantly lower the damage.
That's not the only way, and if the entire thread was actually read, you would see that. Many, many, people have suggested adding a negative percentage to healing, damage, and defence when entering siege war. This is another solution. PVE does not have to be affected this way, and p/s can still solo quests without having to rely on 20+ people, or 1 measly rogue.

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Zandra, honey, I love you. I wish I could be as calm and cool and collected and nice as you are. I really do. Please keep talking sense in that calm and rational way, since I've devolved to shouting and tearing my hair.

Now on to the shouting and hair-pulling:

98% of the QQing in the three big threads about Ice Blade is all Acet. Ok, at least 60% of it is Acet. 40% of it is Ebil and Kefkai. Ebil is trolling, Kefkai just likes to argue. Since I like to argue, and since I do like to troll Ebil, I guess I shouldn't complain too much.

The other rogues, Aristatic, Brogue, I am sure there are more if we go back and look, including whichever one suggested to Acet that he level Sneak Attack (lol) think the above are crazy, cause they never seem to have issues with p/s's.

This would be because any competent undergeared rogue can take out an OP p/s without issues, just by using their skills. I am pretty sure all of Evil Empires (since they're like 90% rogues) could happily explain the t-bagging they do to me every time they siege us. Ozzy, Deopolis, Alcapone all do- and that's just a taster, they have at least 5 more rogues that regularly pwn me even though they have GCH stuffs.

Aristatic is too polite to t-bag me, but lord knows he could do it a hundred times per siege if he wanted to. Broguey too.

Bottom line: This is part troll, part entitlement rogue epeen brandishing, and part idjit.

Trolling can be safely ignored, rogue epeen brandishing is funny, and idjit can't be fixed. You can splain things to Acet all day, and he ain't listening Zandra. He has decided that since he has issues with p/s's, it obviously isn't because he needs to gear or stat more, or level and use different skills- no no, he should be able to just wander up to a ranged class and smack them with his dagger, and they should just fall over.

No one can teach Acet how to play a rogue, cause he is already perfect- he rolled the class and leveled it, didn't he? That should give him the right to spam kill anyone.

Now, the rogues that actually bothered to gear and learn how to play seem to find this amusing, and I bet they find it amusing when they kill him too, but apparently Acet is OK with other classes killing him, he just gets butthurt when a "healy" class does it.

This whole situation would make a lot more sense if you remember that Acet is actually a rogue version of Megamouse the dex stacking mage. His own server finds him endlessly amusing, just like they find Mega immensely amusing. No one trolls quite as well as Reni, and you prolly don't quite get that Zandra, since Govinda doesn't grow them like Reni does.

The headline "Rogue Demands Priest/Scout Nerf, Says PvP is Too Difficult" (which is more or less what Acet is claiming) is laughable. It's absurd. It's so over the top that you'd think that all rationality has fled. Rogue is more OP than p/s in PvP, and it's also OP in PvE, though nowhere near the extent of the scouts in Chapter 3.

It's the equivalent of the headline "Superman Demands Wonder Woman Nerf, Says Lasso is OP."

Just cause you don't have the shineh boobiez, boys, it doesn't mean you don't get other stuff that should be keeping you entertained. And it doesn't mean that Kryptonite needs a nerf, either.

And on that mixed metaphor, I shall retire from the field.

whoa enough pages now? started reading through but then excluded that 5 people who keep posting and posting and posting and posting...

then it was only 11 comments...


Ice blade is hella OP and needs some sort of nerf but I don't think people will be worrying about it for long, these new ch.5 classes look completely ridiculous.

Quoted from "Bakken;529798"

whoa enough pages now? started reading through but then excluded that 5 people who keep posting and posting and posting and posting...

then it was only 11 comments...


Ice blade is hella OP and needs some sort of nerf but I don't think people will be worrying about it for long, these new ch.5 classes look completely ridiculous.

Let's all just band together and start calling nerfs for that new OP dwarf race and its classes. Honestly, I've never seen a dwarf get killed in SW, not once, that's so OP.

i say put a 5 second cool down on hide, that will shut the rogues up about ice blade.

Quoted from "timthum;529810"

i say put a 5 second cool down on hide, that will shut the rogues up about ice blade.

or 2 second (yeah only 2 seconds) cool downon low blow and it will fix op rogue in pve as well as pvp to some extent

Quoted from "timthum;529810"

i say put a 5 second cool down on hide, that will shut the rogues up about ice blade.

I think thats totally reasonable, I do think it's a little crazy if no one's got diyce to attack me fast enough I just sneak attack - hide -sneak attack -hide. Completely untouchable and I've wiped out 5+v1's many times because of that lol

ALL op skills should have cooldowns.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;529761"

Honestly, how many people in siege war do you see walking around with 200k hp? If a poll was taken, I bet 90% of the people in siege war have less than 116k hp. Ok, let's say there is a rogue out there that just nails 200ks every hit on 86k pdef (I know I can't). 200k in this case would be an over kill. 116k ice blade or a 200k low blow will kill the majority of people in siege war all the same. Only difference here is like I said before, p/s get to do it from four times the distance of a rogue AND has an infinite stock of it.

Let me get this straight...

So it's not okay for you, a rogue with 40k mdef (which, by the way, is hardly any), to get hit hard by Ice Blade, yet it's perfectly acceptable for you or any other rogue to one-or-twoshot people with more than twice that amount in pdef?

Faulty logic is faulty.


And FYI, I don't believe rogues need a nerf, nor does any other class currently, especially since all this crying is over PvP. But this pot calling the kettle black nonsense from you is getting to be ridiculous.

Quoted from "effervescent;529844"

Let me get this straight...

So it's not okay for you, a rogue with 40k mdef (which, by the way, is hardly any), to get hit hard by Ice Blade, yet it's perfectly acceptable for you or any other rogue to one-or-twoshot people with more than twice that amount in pdef?

Faulty logic is faulty.


And FYI, I don't believe rogues need a nerf, nor does any other class currently, especially since all this crying is over PvP. But this pot calling the kettle black nonsense from you is getting to be ridiculous.

No its not the same, if a mage hits me I know they have a CD and I can escape, that's balance. P/s is a one button wonder spam. As a rogue I can't get off more then 4 lowblows, p/s can get off unlimited iceblades and immune and instant full heal. No other class has these advantages and pumps out that kind of DPS. So don't pretend we are comparing apples to apples.

Quoted from "regentego;529938"

No its not the same, if a mage hits me I know they have a CD and I can escape, that's balance. P/s is a one button wonder spam. As a rogue I can't get off more then 4 lowblows, p/s can get off unlimited iceblades and immune and instant full heal. No other class has these advantages and pumps out that kind of DPS. So don't pretend we are comparing apples to apples.

The only time a P/s has any advantage at all over a rogue is in siege, and then ONLY if they have eyes around.
Duel a rogue or go into PK mode out of siege, the rogue hits hide and the priest or pretty much any class is dead.
So, rogues are powerful in both Pvp and Pve, any other P/x combo has the full instant heal, and X/p combo has the same immune, and every class can use candy or cake. P/s is really only powerful in PVP.

I don't have much Pdef, and getting hit for 200k+ is expected and 'OK' by every other class you ask, you don't have Mdef and get hit for 80k and feel that's wrong......


Mages have some very powerful skills that don't have cool downs. If they are relying entirely on skills that have a cool down, they deserve to miss a kill or to be killed. Thunderstorm and meter shower are both very powerful, and don't have cool downs. The skills that do have cool downs can be cycled so it doesn't matter.

Chapter 5 will probably nerf both P/S and Rogues. P/S wail that Rogues are OP, and vice versa. Runewaker is probably too lazy to figure out who's right or not. Easy way out is to nerf both.

So I'd say QQ about each other is probably not a good idea, because RW will just see as both OP. Who cares which one more.

Quoted from "regentego;529938"

No its not the same, if a mage hits me I know they have a CD and I can escape, that's balance. P/s is a one button wonder spam. As a rogue I can't get off more then 4 lowblows, p/s can get off unlimited iceblades and immune and instant full heal. No other class has these advantages and pumps out that kind of DPS. So don't pretend we are comparing apples to apples.

You're................. special. Rogues are pretty much a one button spam, hit 1 button and w/e their targeting is dead. unlimited? depends on your definition. And as a rogue all you need to do is get 1 low blow off and go back in hide or vanish or escape or invis pot or........... w/e invis's you got left. and of course priest can instant full heal since priest is their main class........... bring the 3k heal food or w/e if you want, And you talk about advantages? you got perma hides left and right.
NO OTHER CLASS HAS THOSE, you really like QQing and trolling ebilon. Your whole post sounded like you were talking about rogues, It's exactly the same.

Reverse this thread and make it QQing about rogues and pretend your not a rogue ebilone, your post could sound like your QQing about rogues here lol.

one shot wonder, check.
immunity to melee classes (dodge which can get to like 80-96%) or something. plus...... every class has immunity, use it, its called either serenstum or candy.
I'm sorry you cant dodge magic attacks. yes your kinda supposed to die to that.

There is so much to say here. Mainly i'm just gonna say stop with this stupid QQing. It's just making you look bad.

And btw this is coming from someone who laughed his balls off watching Fan get killed from a 20k hit point rogue, twice, not kidding.

Green I didn't know you were in the "Tehehe we love you Fan and Borella" club, who knew. And no, rogues use more then one skill, and we can't instant heal, only r/p gets that immunity, oh and 100 energy vs 40k mana. So sure I'll look bad, that's fun for me!