Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "L3g3nd;525861"

Thank you.

Again, I'd just to like to stress that Runes of Magic classes in general are category specific (except P/S). For example, the dps classes like rogues and scouts have phenomenal dps. Knights are the tanks. Priests and druids are the healers. Now for priest/scout whether they are geared for DPS or NOT, their ice blade is

1) still spammeable
2) they still have holy aura
3) and their heals may be significantly weakened to the point they can't heal for GC and up BUT MORE THAN sufficient to fully restore themselves to max hp after killing another player.

Ok, Acet, I'll take all three on. First of all, your first point just threw wardens completely under the bus, since they can tank and dps. You threw p/w and d/w under the bus, since they can heal and (ZOMG who allowed a clothie to do melee!) dps. I am pretty sure there is a magical damage dealing druid combo also (d/r maybe?) and I guess they should be disallowed also.

So... that point is mooty mootness. Those combos all need really specific sets of gear to play their non-vanilla roles, and guess what? Dps P/S does too. There are melee combos like w/m that wear cloth and do magical dps, should we make that not allowed too? Just because something doesn't fit in a neat little ticky box doesn't make it bad.

Secondly, who says casters shouldn't be allowed to have spammable skills? Only melee should get these? Scouts get Wind Arrow (spammable), warriors have a spammable something or other, wardens have Power of the Wood Spirit, and for heavens sake, a rogue does ridiculously high white hits lightning fast that cost no energy and are... wait for it... as close to spammable as you'll ever get considering you don't even have to press a button.

And one could argue that a lack of true spammable skills is the only thing keeping the rogue class in balance considering Hide, Vanish and Escape.

So, thirdly, yes we have Holy Aura. As does every other x/p combo. You too can get Holy Aura if you choose x/p. You too can use that with candy if you so chose.

Lastly, why shouldn't I be able to heal myself with the same efficiency as every other x/p and x/d class... ie slowly? M/P is all that and a bag of chips... and I would be playing m/p happily if it had any decent instant skills to speak of, but neither m/p nor m/s do- so I play my p/s and tick everyone off. It's a better PvP class. Some class combos are great for PvP and terrible at PvE- and dps p/s is one of those. I've made my tradeoff- I can't heal or do have any utility on p/s in PvE. You made yours- you can hide, and do insane damage, but you have no inherent mdef- but you are HIGHLY useful in PvE.

Look, rogues have the absolute worst excuse to be complaining about p/s, since you can kill us and we cannot kill you unless we use defenses wisely. In a rogue vs me combat, I will ALWAYS lose UNLESS a) I have candy off CD and you shadowprison me and give me some warning, or b) I am standing near a defense like an eye or a flame tower. Even against a rogue that I outgear by a factor of one-third, I will lose.

Smart p/s's don't wander around and let themselves get ganked, and smart rogues sneak around and don't let p/s's see them so they get ganked.

P/S vs R/S is unbalanced... in rogue's favor. And there is balance in that. You are my nemesis class.

yeah ignoring the whole attack is OP as hell,
I think there is something wrong if main class healers are statting as mages and going around like a mage.

like seriously there are priests with ZERO wisdom stats or healing gear and to me that's just wrong.

Quoted from "Quaffy2;525634"

How much matk do you think that guy had? I mean, i run around with like 70-80k in siege and that's without fully buffing up with matk things, hero pots, and whatever else. I've been hit by some of the best p/s out there, and I don't recall ever being hit for 100k by one. I check my combat log every time I die btw.

i think he were using hero pot + memento mdmg food

and he had a t11 tosh staff

i'd guess he at least had 90k matt, i guess it could be possible he was under effect of tambo/the herald crit dmg buff

I agree p/s IB could use like a 1 sec Cd really, but I also think its great that there are several classes that are OK in siege.
It takes alot of magic attack and expensive gears for a p/s to do decent damage with iceblade.
If they want to make pvp (or use their mage gears) and keep a healer set , thats their option

A rogue with lesser gears hits harder so whos to complain. Let people play as they wish.

A p/m is intended as a magic attack fighter and does well too but people just don't play them anymore.

I like that there are several classes that do ok in siege now, scouts even with the nerfs do well in siege still
It adds variety rather than a scout war like in the past, and some guilds still mainly just rogues.
People stack pdef rather than mdef so p/s's have fun with us/them

However there really should be the 1 sec cd

Quoted from "Bakken;525918"

yeah ignoring the whole attack is OP as hell,
I think there is something wrong if main class healers are statting as mages and going around like a mage.

like seriously there are priests with ZERO wisdom stats or healing gear and to me that's just wrong.

Like, wrong as in it's some sort of MMO sin? Are you the new high priest of MMO holiness?

"You do not fit into my limited view of what an MMO class should be therefore you are anathema- begone sinner!"

Really?

So, priest/warriors and druid/warriors should just be, what, removed from the class combos? How about warrior/mages? Oh no, a warrior in cloth gear with a staff, SCANDALOUS! Burn the heretics!

I mean, how condescending is that really? I have to make my class conform to your expectations?

Hmmmph.

That attitude makes me wanna poke you with my staff (newly acquired Shackles and she's a real beauty) someplace tender lol.

Now, I know that sounds harsh, and I don't mean to attack you Bakken, it's just that has to be the least defensible argument that ever gets made when people start calling for p/s nerfs.

I'm here, I'm a p/s that stats no wis, get over it.

Quoted from "bratty;525921"

I agree p/s IB could use like a 1 sec Cd really [snipped]
However there really should be the 1 sec cd

Iceblade has a 1 second global cooldown already. Once iceblade is casted, I can't use any skills for one second.

And yes Fan, there are a lot of people who just don't like the idea of a priest killing them in pvp because a priest should only act as an hp battery for the "real dps" in their eyes.

I'm not sure if it's just me, but I really don't notice all that many terrorizing beastly p/s in pvp. Usually it's just like one or two maybe in a guild, and depending on the guild, they really aren't much to write home about. I can count on 1 hand (maybe 2 at the most) the number of p/s that I actually worry about in siege. Most of the other ones are either mainly healers or just tried to jump on the bandwagon and really aren't that good.

shush u mage, are u not happy enough being able to one shot all classes, that u have to go and beg to have someone elses hard work ruined, i mean really, listen to yourself, wahh wahh i want a spammable skill. HELL NO!!!, secondly p/s statted with mage stats will ...PROBABLY HIT LIKE AN EFFIN MAGE (though weaker) since ive never been hit by an ice blade that does 400k damage. the game is stat based, that sed stat for pvp or pve or both, u cant expect to have the best of both worlds without working for it. mage/druid complaining when they are the same killing us melees and bragging but hate to have it done to them and one more thing... ITS having not haven!!!!

Quoted from "smid1401;525406"

If yous wont tone down IB . then give the rest of the classes the same spammible skill .. It's BS haven a healer spam an OP skill like that .. Give it a CD or drop my CD from magmablade.

Truth is p/s iceblade and rogue hide skills have unfair advantage over other classes. P/S iceblade should have 2-3 sec cd and rogue hide skill should have 6-8sec cd when rogue pop out of hide for both skills in pvp only. So other melee classes also get fair chance to take down these combo players.

Also p/s heals arent crap in pvp without heal gear. My alt m/p/s(67/64/50) with only 1k wisdom, no heal bonus stats and 4.5k magdmg root of nightmares staff can get (8.6k base heal and 1.5k ticks with lvl 60 curing shot) and (10k from heal+60). But yes p/s(mage gear) cannot outheal normal attacks or bleeds but they are enough to heal themselves and whole party in few seconds with high damage staff.

The main thing everyone should ask is pvp damage reduction.

A couple things being repeated "IB needs a CD." It DOES have a CD!!

"Priests shouldn't DPS". I'm trying real hard to think of one of the games I've played that DOESN'T have a DPS Priest build. Hmm, tryin hard but I can't think of one...

I don't want any class nerfed but why on earth pick on the few good IB priests out there, most are ever so easy to kill.

As a mage, I'm far more worried by rogues. They're a dime a dozen & don't even need to be well geared to be dangerous. All rogues need is to be well played.

Twice recently we have face a guild that is 95% rogue, most of them poorly geared but hunting in hidden packs, I'd rather face a guild of 95% poorly geared priest/scouts any day.

I'm a p/k who barley stats wis, jsut enoguh to have 40kish mana b/c that's all i need. The rest is pure stam and def. So why can't a p/s do the same?

Honestly tho the int on a priest is kinda dumb imo... as to where int is more benficial to those druids than it is a priest evens tackign magic attack

A true p/s should use stam/ma wis/ma int/ma and ma/hp barley on the int/ma's tho b/c the pure ma benefits them more than int does as to where mage int helps a hell of alot more.,

thats the only porlbme i hae with some of these silly p/s's and iceblade drains your mana liek no other thats fersure.

... Why does everyone keep calling a P/s dps? A P/s in full mage gear 65+(100k mattack fully buffed) can hardly solo DOD, IB Has other modifiers than mattk ( water damage) so yes itll do damage since not alot of people are packing fearlessX runes in their accessories.
... Melee classes should complain about P/s your never gonna put enough wis on you gear for a worthy argument, mages as well in this case since alot of em dont stack enough for it to matter (if any at all)
... Also please stop making these threads havent you all had enough of Rom one shotting class combo's with nerfblade
... Lastly i blame the Mentor that JUST HAD TO COMMENT in this post hopefully nothing ever come of it and they focus on more important issues like helping out knight classes before u introduce more and fixing various quest bugs , simple fixes not game changing "FML I SPENT ALL THAT DOUGH ON DIAS TO TIER MY SHIZZ JUST TO HAVE IT NERFED BECAUSE OF ONE HOUR OF GAMEPLAY" issues.

@regentego: Remember how mad you were when scouts were nerfed? Like half the scout population quit. And there's a difference between scouts and P/S: Scouts dominated every aspect of the game, where as P/S are only decent in PVP.

With all the new games coming out, like Aion going F2P, GW2, Diablo 3, MOP, etc, do you really think ROM's population can withstand a nerf to a class that doesn't even need one, but whose class combination has become quite popular? No.

Iceblade isn't broken. It's a symptom.

When's the last time you seen a P/S at the top of a damage meter? Never.

There will always be QQ threads and threads screaming of OP when PVP is a system of whoever gets the first hit wins. Such a system can not be balanced, as not every class has the ability to get a first hit. Fix this, and you wouldn't have such threads.

P/S and rogues and whatever are symptoms of the broken PVP system in ROM. Instead of giving people a debuff upon dying in siege where you take even more damage and become even more likely to die (lmfao), why shouldn't everyone start off with a debuff that either lower stats or lowers damage/healing done to the point where siege isn't a one-hit festival? Allow people to actually have a PVP rotation, strategy, etc. Such a debuff is possible, as the Wounded debuff exists. There've been countless threads of people with great ideas on how to fix PVP that have just been forgotten about. Why don't you fight for that instead of nerfing a class combination that seems to be doing well in PVP?

Do you really want to break a class over the laughable PVP system?

And if you do, rogues should become the first ones to be broken, not P/S. I really hope you agree.

@Bakken: ROM prides itself on unconventional class play. But anyway, there are a ton of other games with damaging priests now. So I'm not sure why this is such a surprise to you.

to solo dod i have to use acient spirit water,arcane potion and guitar then spam rising tide.a little expensive just to solo dod.mt rogue toon on the other hand can do it with little gear and stats.all this QQ over ib i mean really!
remove gear from siege and battle it out with skill and real tactics.

Quoted from "GarryL;525931"

A couple things being repeated "IB needs a CD." It DOES have a CD!!

"Priests shouldn't DPS". I'm trying real hard to think of one of the games I've played that DOESN'T have a DPS Priest build. Hmm, tryin hard but I can't think of one...

I don't want any class nerfed but why on earth pick on the few good IB priests out there, most are ever so easy to kill.

As a mage, I'm far more worried by rogues. They're a dime a dozen & don't even need to be well geared to be dangerous. All rogues need is to be well played.

Twice recently we have face a guild that is 95% rogue, most of them poorly geared but hunting in hidden packs, I'd rather face a guild of 95% poorly geared priest/scouts any day.

That's only because of shadow prison, I still think it's a pretty tasteless skill in siege and they should get rid of it or add a CD to it like demoralize, or make it usable on scouts only.

Also I am gonna say what's with people saying that P/S can hardly solo DoD, that's quite untrue.

The other thing that people don't realize is that IS you can send out 2 in one second, the first one is insta obviously and the 2nd is one second, so yes you can use 2 IBs in a 1 second period, it's the point after that where things start to slow down, if you weren't kill in 2 IB anyways, but most of us are killed in that 1 second period of time.

EDIT: Also @ the whole P/S don't heal for much BS, that's BS, you certainly heal for anything/P, you get a 35% bonus to heals from Faith. Also Magic Damage is a big factor in heals anyways, you don't need heal bonuses to heal.

Fate, though I never played scout I was upset by the nerf, it wasn't a bat it was a hammer. Plus scout is a dps class, priest simply is not. And once again every p/s supporter is turning the finger onto Rogues, this isn't about rogues.

Theblacktower has a p/s named grandmama who is 146k, moves with +30% speed and hits iceblade for nearly 100k, with NO CD, he equips runes and pots, cd does not apply to him ever. Our warriors and non hideable players stand no chance at all. Sorry I play p/r on an alt and the skills are terrible but I accept that my role is healer and support. My p/r is a mages best friend, not every classes worst enemy like p/s.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;525866"

^this dude totally missed the point.

Do you have any skill that you can repeatedly spam at 200m? Nope.

No, but he has lightning, silence, fireball (doesn't this have a 250 range?), flame etc. P/S has ONE skill, no silence, no root, nothing.

Some of you make viable points, but for the majority it's nothing more than being butthurt over a "healer class" having killed you. We should do nothing but follow an OP melee class and heal/keep them alive, right?

Quoted from "regentego;525971"

scout is a dps class, priest simply is not. And once again every p/s supporter is turning the finger onto Rogues, this isn't about rogues.

Ok, ok. Dps priest may well be the wrong thing to call a p/s but p/s is a damage dealing PvP focused build.

I was tempted to say, no, this thread is not about rogues but maybe it should be. But that would be a cheap shot & I don't believe rogues should be nerfed, just like I don't believe priest/scouts should be nerfed.

Why screw up a class just because it shines for an hour a day?

But most of all I just don't trust that the nerf hammer will get it right or stop with just p/s once it starts swinging.

Quoted from "regentego;525971"

[snipped] My p/r is a mages best friend, not every classes worst enemy like p/s.

Hum.... I'm not sure about you, but my mages and w/m, p/s and several other classes love the fact that I'm a p/s. I give my buffs to everyone, magic users love my Embrace of the Water Spirit, and whoever walks by me at the time loves my Wave Armour buff. Not to mention Curing Shot. So I'm not quite sure who you're trying to fool by saying a p/s is everyone's worst enemy. It may be your worst enemy, assuming you don't have one who tries to help you, but everyone I know loves them because they can do support as well as deal damage decently.

As to the rest of the thread: if you stat a certain way, again, because of RoM's versatility, you're going to get the benefits. Obviously, if you're a scout and stat like a priest, it won't happen unless you're s/p. But if I'm a p/s, and I stat like a mage, my heals should be affected, and my damage should be affected. One will outweigh the other in most scenarios. If I statted like that, I should reap the benefits of such statting. Such is the way of RoM, get over it.

Show me 1 person complaining about iceblade that has over 100k mdef.

None? Mkay, I rest my case.

No dps priest in MMOs? Shadow Priests in WoW.

"I'm Paper, nerf Scissors. Rock is fine."

Quoted from "Ravesden;526005"

Show me 1 person complaining about iceblade that has over 100k mdef.

None? Mkay, I rest my case.

No dps priest in MMOs? Shadow Priests in WoW.

"I'm Paper, nerf Scissors. Rock is fine."

Me and Sabrione?

Or did you just skip over that part of the topic?