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Friday, April 20th 2012, 2:59am

Max Pet Egg Price & 1-day Max-Level

I've seen Wild, Natural, Amazing and Rune Pet Eggs selling for millions in Gold in the AH - which is ridiculous!

350,000 Gold is the Maximum you should ever pay for a merging pet egg. Here's why.

Wait .. first .. You can level your Primary Pet to the Maximum Level in just one day !!! (more about that later)

A knowledge of Pet Egg Basics, described here is assumed.

Most Pet Eggs are merged into your primary pet to increase its experience and training points. The merging egg, the Reagent, is destroyed. The higher the level of the primary, the more experience it needs to level up, making higher level eggs more in demand and thus more valuable. This includes Wild, Natural, Amazing and Rune Pet Eggs.

What is the maximum price you should ever pay for a "Reagent" pet egg? Consider another way to gain pet experience is by feeding [Miller's Special Cake]. One [Miller's Special Cake] is received each time the quest "An Easy Lay" is completed, but most people need to buy more. They are available from any Pet Hunter at a cost of 3,500 Gold. Each [Miller's Special Cake] gives:

+10 Experience Points (XP) vs 1000 (max) from feeding a same level pet egg
+1 training Point (TP) vs 50 from "merging" a pet egg (100 for Rune Pet Eggs)
+5 nourishment

100x[Miller's Special Cake] will give the same experience (1000) as "feeding" a pet egg of the same level. It is important to understand that if you feed [Miller's Special Cake] beyond 100% nourishment you STILL GET the increment for both XP and TP! Therefore, the maximum value of any pet egg used as a merging reagent can be calculated as

350,000 Gold = 3500 (cost Millers Special Cake) x 1000 (Max Merge XP) / 10 XP

for TP the maximum value is

175,000 Gold = 3500 (cost Millers Special Cake) x 50 TP (non-Rune merges) / 1 TP
350,000 Gold = 3500 (cost Millers Special Cake) x 100 TP (Rune merges) / 1 TP

The exceptions to the above are Rune Pet Eggs, Holy Pet Eggs and occassionally Magical Pet Eggs.

> Rune Pet Eggs may be worth double other Reagents because they give double Training point boost (100 vs. 50) when merged with a primary pet. Rune Pet Eggs may also be merged with any other type of primary, but the same may be said of [Miller's Special Cake]. Regardless, the maximum value of a Rune Pet Egg is still 350,000 gold.

> Holy Pet Eggs are mostly used as primary pets, not "food" for merging. Therefore, they command the highest prices and have an entirely different pricing stucture, based on supply and demand, which I will not cover here.

>Magical Pet Eggs are similar to Holy Pet Eggs in that they are often used as Primary pets by people who cannot afford the exorbantant prices of Holy Pet Eggs, but because of their lower stats are not considered as good.


Max Pet Level in Just One Day - Here's How

Have you figured it out yourself yet? It's very simple ... Keep feeding your primary pet [Miller's Special Cake] until your gold runs out. Now there IS a limitation .. the 10,000 Training point cap. You will lose all additional TP if you exceed the 10,000 cap. Not a good thing since TP are used to increase your primary pet's secondary (passive) skills and Aptitude.

However, if you can get enough Golden Eggs then the problem is solved! That is more difficult now since Golden Eggs became bound items; putting the Botters out of the Golden Egg business. Still 10,000 TP equates to 100,000 XP for "only" 35,000,000 Gold. I didn't say it was going to be cheap! How many pet levels is that? Finally, you may be able to use your imagination and figure out another solution, which I will not discuss further, but you can post to this thread.


Love those Macros

Too lazy or too boring to feed all those [Miller's Special Cake] to your primary pet? The solution is a Pet Feeding Macro (Can be used for anything that is edible by your pet but best used with Miller Cakes). This and more useful macros can be found at http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=65697

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Code:
/script for i = 1, 99, 1 do FeedPet(#) end

Step 1) Change # to the pet slot of the pet you want to feed.
Step 2) Open the Pet Menu and Click on the Feed Button.
Step 3) Select the Food you want to eat.
Step 4) Click on the Macro and watch your pet gobble an entire stack within 1 second.

Greatly speeds up the process of feeding your pet especially when you want to level it up in a slightly cheaper fashion.



Lower Level Pet Eggs for XP-Boost

You may (should) ask "What is the MAX value of lower level pet eggs as reagents?" It depends on the RELATIVE levels of the AGENT (primary) and reagent pet eggs. You should know that for any merge

Pet XP Increment = 1000 / (AgentLevel - ReagentLevel + 1)

Example: My agent(Primary) is 30 and my Reagent(food) is 27
Therefore. the Relative Level difference is 3 (30 - 27)

Pet XP Increment = 250 = 1000 / (30 - 27 + 1) = 1000 / 4

Using a similar formula we can calculate the MAX-Value of a lower-level Reagent pet egg

Max Value (for XP) = 350,000 Gold / (AgentLevel - ReagentLevel + 1)
Example: same as before
Max Value (for XP) = 87,500 Gold = 350,000 Gold / (30 - 27 + 1)

Here is a little table to simplify

Relative Level / MAX Value (for XP)

0 350,000 Gold
1 175,000 Gold
2 116,666 Gold
3 87,500 Gold
4 70,000 Gold
5 58,333 Gold
6 50,000 Gold
9 35,000 Gold
13 25,000 Gold
19 17,500 Gold
34 10,000 Gold

In practice, I pay up to 20% to 70% less then the value in the table for XP.
But what about TP?


Lower Level Pet Eggs for TP-Boost

For TP-boost alone, I use an entirely different standard, which I call the
"Price Maintenance Standard". Although some less charitable may call it
the "Cheap SOB Standard" ;) The reasons why I NEVER pay more then
10,000 Gold for a Reagent Pet Egg to boost my Primary's TP are:

1. If I pay more, it will only encourage the gatherers/suppliers of pet eggs to raise their prices. But there is also a reason to not go too much under 10,000 gold.

2. The cost of a Huntman's trap, required to capture a pet egg, is 8,000 Gold. If pet egg gatherers/suppliers lose too much Gold each time they capture a pet egg (while hoping for that elusive Holy Pet Egg), it will erode their incentive to keep gathering/supplying me.

3. The resulting cost to me is under 200 Gold per TP (10,000 Gold / 50 TP),
far lower then the 3,500 Gold-per-TP using [Miller's Special Cake].

Disclaimer: Obtaining sufficient pet eggs for TP-boost using the "Price Maintenance Standard" does require patience and FREQUENT checking of the AH.


Educate Others

You may be able to get overpriced pet eggs in the Auction House (AH) at a reasonable
price. When you see a pet egg in the AH for more then 350,000 Gold, politely inform
the seller of the reality of RoM economics by sending them in-game mail like:

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Name (copied from AH)
Subject: WTB Your Pet Egg in AH
Text: Please read http://tinyurl.com/petegg
WTB your level ## <element> <type> pet egg for ###,### Gold.
If interested, send COD mail.

Obviously, before sending this mail replace the ##, <element>, <type> and ###,###
<Element> would be Dark, Light, Earth, Water, Fire, Wind or left blank for Rune.
<Type> would be Wild, Natural, Amazing or Rune.

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If there are any errors or omissions, please post them and I will make corrections.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 3:09am

Thanks for the info nykk. Hopefully this will discourage teh moneygrubbers from attempting to charge outrageous prices for teh pet eggs. But I doubt it.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 5:43am

i pay only 200k for 1k exp and it turns out to be pretty smart, lets say my pet lvl is 24 right now, i will look into ah and buy all lvl 24 pets for no more than 200k, lvl 23's for 100k (since they will only give me 500exp), for 22 66k, for 21 50k, and so on. and if theres any pet eggs higher than my lvl i buy them at no more than 200k too so once i reach that level i can gain 1k exp from them, some people might wanna pay 300k if theyre rich enough, but i will not understand those that pay over 350k just like you said, you can use cakes instead and save urself that 3 merges/day deal.

once my pet levels to 25, i will buy lvl 25 pets for 200k, lvl 24 for 100k and so on, you see turns out to be less than 200gp/exp and cakes require 350gp/exp.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 7:59am

Quoted from "xploid;526399"

i pay only 200k for 1k exp and it turns out to be pretty smart, lets say my pet lvl is 24 right now, i will look into ah and buy all lvl 24 pets for no more than 200k, lvl 23's for 100k (since they will only give me 500exp), for 22 66k, for 21 50k, and so on. and if theres any pet eggs higher than my lvl i buy them at no more than 200k too so once i reach that level i can gain 1k exp from them, some people might wanna pay 300k if theyre rich enough, but i will not understand those that pay over 350k just like you said, you can use cakes instead and save urself that 3 merges/day deal.

once my pet levels to 25, i will buy lvl 25 pets for 200k, lvl 24 for 100k and so on, you see turns out to be less than 200gp/exp and cakes require 350gp/exp.


First of all, awesome thread. But to what xploid was saying, you actually have to start using Miller's cakes once your pet gets to around lvl 35ish because there are simply not that many lvl 35+ pet eggs in ah. Now with the player base down, there are even less high level pet eggs being sold. It takes me around a month to find 5 lvl 36 pet eggs that cost less than 350 k for my lvl 36 earth pet. Seeing as how it takes around 14 k xp to level to 37, I would have to wait nearly 3 months for my pet to gain a level simply because it's so hard to find "cheap" high level pet eggs in ah. If I continued only buying from ah until my pet was lvl 50, it would take approximately... 10 or 15 years.

Therefore, this thread is awesome because everyone has to start using these miller cakes if they want a max lvl 50 pet! Thanks for the info about the macro too, totally didn't know about that!

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 10:43am

Well, I may be seriously wrong here, but usually the non-holy pets which are selling for millions in AH are those with low levels and high aptitude.

As is well explained in a detailed pet guide on this forum, it is extremely advantageous to increase as much as you can the aptitude of your pet from the initial levels, since it will bring you cumulative assist based on its aptitude at time of leveling... So the higher the aptitude from low levels, the higher the final assist you will get.

Buying a holy pet with high aptitude and low level would cost a fortune. So the practical solution is to buy a low-level, low aptitude holy pet, then merge it with low-level, high-aptitude "normal" (ie, non-holy) pets, to raise the aptitude of your holy pet in its early stage of development.
In such a case, I think it is actually quite justified, and makes a lot of sense, to pay a relatively high amount for a low-level, high-aptitude pet...

Am I missing something here?

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 11:20am

Quoted from "Eunhee;526429"

Well, I may be seriously wrong here, but usually the non-holy pets which are selling for millions in AH are those with low levels and high aptitude.

As is well explained in a detailed pet guide on this forum, it is extremely advantageous to increase as much as you can the aptitude of your pet from the initial levels, since it will bring you cumulative assist based on its aptitude at time of leveling... So the higher the aptitude from low levels, the higher the final assist you will get.

Buying a holy pet with high aptitude and low level would cost a fortune. So the practical solution is to buy a low-level, low aptitude holy pet, then merge it with low-level, high-aptitude "normal" (ie, non-holy) pets, to raise the aptitude of your holy pet in its early stage of development.
In such a case, I think it is actually quite justified, and makes a lot of sense, to pay a relatively high amount for a low-level, high-aptitude pet...

Am I missing something here?


Yeah you're missing the whole point of this thread. He's talking about merging pets to gain experience, not aptitude. For example, if your pet is lvl 20 and already has 100 aptitude, you shouldn't pay more than 350 k for a pet egg because you can get 1 k xp from simply buying miller's cakes. Raising aptitude is a whole other issue.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 11:36am

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Yeah you're missing the whole point of this thread. He's talking about merging pets to gain experience, not aptitude. For example, if your pet is lvl 20 and already has 100 aptitude, you shouldn't pay more than 350 k for a pet egg because you can get 1 k xp from simply buying miller's cakes. Raising aptitude is a whole other issue.



Well, I definitely agree that it is pointless to overpay for eggs just to gain experience.

I actually thought that in most cases where people were ready to pay high prices for eggs, it was precisely to be able to raise aptitude, not experience.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 4:23pm

Unless I'm mistaken, the only eggs with aptitude over 80+ are the blue rune eggs. Yet I still see "normal" eggs listed for obscene prices... can't see why anyone would buy those.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 4:55pm

Quoted from "wenwenni;526417"

First of all, awesome thread. But to what xploid was saying, you actually have to start using Miller's cakes once your pet gets to around lvl 35ish because there are simply not that many lvl 35+ pet eggs in ah. Now with the player base down, there are even less high level pet eggs being sold. It takes me around a month to find 5 lvl 36 pet eggs that cost less than 350 k for my lvl 36 earth pet. Seeing as how it takes around 14 k xp to level to 37, I would have to wait nearly 3 months for my pet to gain a level simply because it's so hard to find "cheap" high level pet eggs in ah. If I continued only buying from ah until my pet was lvl 50, it would take approximately... 10 or 15 years.

Therefore, this thread is awesome because everyone has to start using these miller cakes if they want a max lvl 50 pet! Thanks for the info about the macro too, totally didn't know about that!



o ye absolutely... ive been stuck at 20-25 on my pet cuz there arent simply enough eggs of that lvl for 200k or less, so ye ur right everyone including me is gona move to paying a penny for the millers.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 5:00pm

Someone also missed that you can also use high level any aptitude pets on alts, it's not a bad hobby, it gives you more hp anyways and you don't have to level it yourself, but I'm talking only alts here not serious pets.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 5:19pm

Quoted from "xploid;526399"

i pay only 200k for 1k exp and it turns out to be pretty smart...

xploid makes some good points. So, I added a section on "Lower Level Pet Eggs" to the main post.

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Friday, April 20th 2012, 10:59pm

Quoted from "Nykk;526467"

xploid makes some good points. So, I added a section on "Lower Level Pet Eggs" to the main post.


tx. that was my intent, although i forgot to state it was

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Saturday, April 21st 2012, 5:24am

Quoted from "Purre;526453"

Unless I'm mistaken, the only eggs with aptitude over 80+ are the blue rune eggs. Yet I still see "normal" eggs listed for obscene prices... can't see why anyone would buy those.


I think you mean 90+?
Blue rune eggs that are the ones that can go up to 99. Orange holy eggs r the only other ones besides the blue rune eggs that can go over 80+, not sure wats the top apt for holy eggs. My holy egg pet started with 84 apt, guildie gave it to me <3
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Saturday, April 21st 2012, 10:36am

Added a short url pointing to this post, http://tinyurl.com/petegg
and a new section for anyone who would like to

Educate Others

You may be able to get overpriced pet eggs in the Auction House (AH) at a reasonable
price. When you see a pet egg in the AH for more then 350,000 Gold, politely inform
them of the reality of RoM economics by sending them in-game mail like:

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Name (copied from AH)
Subject: WTB Your Pet Egg in AH
Text: Please read http://tinyurl.com/petegg
I will buy your <pet egg type> level ## pet egg for ###,### Gold.
If interested, send COD mail.

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Saturday, April 21st 2012, 6:28pm

Quoted from "EscapeTheFate03;526566"

I think you mean 90+?
Blue rune eggs that are the ones that can go up to 99. Orange holy eggs r the only other ones besides the blue rune eggs that can go over 80+, not sure wats the top apt for holy eggs. My holy egg pet started with 84 apt, guildie gave it to me <3



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