Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "GarryL;528062"

Before calling hax & making yourself look foolish here are a couple of links that it just might be worth looking at;

http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/list

http://www.theromwiki.com/Classes

Today after my guild, Pwnerz, sieged someone from the losing side made a character on Osha called Characternamecheats & proceeded to whisper our rogue. He called him a cheat & told him he was caught by the latest RoM software tool called RoM-Detect & he was reported with evidence provided by this new "tool".

As near as we can work out the hax our r/s allegedly used enabled him to escape from roots.

All I can say is Pwnerz does not tolerate cheats & our r/s was not cheating..

Why not just link to this specifically?

http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/495480/escape

This is probably my favorite skill, just love to see when someone wastes their SP on me and I just break out of it.

As far as RoM-Detect that's fairly lol, just sounds like trolling, but I don't know is making a character by that name considered harassment?

I do not believe that RoM has any cheat detecting software. Most of the anti-cheating software is outside the game and provided by an outside company. Right now Frogster rely's on the player base to turn in cheaters. I would love to see them use an anti-cheat program myself. There are some good ones out there and it would be a very wise decision if they did.

aha, wonder who that was. i was in this siege, and i watched ur rogue run into our tower wich was surrouned by flames , upgraded with fire bomb, so fear effect, as well as a few faces of treachery and some lightning towers and take em all out one by one and never got feared. never got knocked down. so i dont know what he was up to but thats the second time ive seen a toon unfearable. and multiple times we have seen un rootable players.

now that i think about it, i think i know who trolled you.

and what happened to the other guild u were in garryl?

Trav unless this rogue had stacked nothing but fearless runes, there is no way he could ahve done that without using a cheat. Heck most people do not even use fearless runes.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;528081"

Trav unless this rogue had stacked nothing but fearless runes, there is no way he could ahve done that without using a cheat. Heck most people do not even use fearless runes.

Rogue/Knight
http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/49154…ight-protection
http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/492629/courageous-guard

Items:
http://www.runesdatabase.com/item/224729…g#related-skill
http://www.runesdatabase.com/item/200150/serenstum

I see about 20+ seconds of immunity to fear and 15+ seconds of immunity to roots/slows.

Its good to know the perks of all class combos in siege. If you thought this was sick, look at r/p's Fearless.

I find that its a lot easier for people to call "HAX!!1!!" than it is for them to learn the skills. Doesn't take much.

For starters, if a player harasses you by making a char on your server that is in content a defamatory statement towards your character, please report him to support. Because in this case, HE is the one violating the rules and he will be reviewed and might suffer consequences.

Also, there is no such tool supported by us, so it most likely is a fake or programmed outside of our game - third party software. Which holds many dangers in itself, IF it even does exist: It could be a program containing viruses and keyloggers, it could be a hack in itself, it could manipulate and corrupt your client, so IF you come across such a tool i strongly recommend to report it to us to ensure this "tool" in itself is not a violation of our TOS. Be very aware of any third party stuff you come across for a game (not talking about addons here, but real third party programs).

Bottom line really is: If you think a player is cheating, report him to support. Do NOT attack, insult, stalk, harass the player in game you deem of ill-doing, it will get YOU in trouble not the player. Not everyone who wins against you is a cheater or hacker. Keep a fair and open mind and leave the investigation of such reports to those who have the tools to do so -> our support teams.

This is a game, and here to have fun and enjoy.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;528081"

Trav unless this rogue had stacked nothing but fearless runes, there is no way he could ahve done that without using a cheat. Heck most people do not even use fearless runes.

Mega... Fearless runes won't make you immune to Fear, no matter how many you stack. + All Resistances =/= immune to anything. Probably wouldn't even make you that resistant, considering how borked elemental resistance is in this game.

Aoth rings, Calm Heart, Serenstrum, Fearless all work though. Probably even more class-specific skills I can't think of at the moment.

It's extremely hard to determine if someone is actually cheating, Best way is to record and analyze the video. Many 'hacks' are just skills people aren't familiar with. A few classes have a 'hide' ability, S/m has 'gone with the wind' and S/wd has 'hide scent' for example, but yet if you're not a rogue and disappear most often, you're gonna be called a hacker.

Some 'hacks' are real hacks or exploits, but Unfamiliar skills or lag account for a huge number of the hack accusations.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;528116"

Mega... Fearless runes won't make you immune to Fear, no matter how many you stack. + All Resistances =/= immune to anything. Probably wouldn't even make you that resistant, considering how borked elemental resistance is in this game.

Aoth rings, Calm Heart, Serenstrum, Fearless all work though. Probably even more class-specific skills I can't think of at the moment.

Fan are you ok? Lately you have posted some REALLY short responses in threads. I am concerned . AND I wanna come play with Raves on Palenque sometime......

I used to get B^%$ hurt in siege at times in the past, then I realized its just not worth it, seeing at it will forever be in beta!!

in this case yes they were upgraded. 4 i was in the middle of i had just placed and upgraded and was placing the 5th when he mashed them and dced 4 of us. i will deal with the qqer who.harrassed u.

Ok for Dionaea, We faced a guild 3 weeks ago, everytime we came out of our left gate, there was 4 P/S and one warden. As soon as we try going threw the gate on left we all crashed, 7 of us. We tried it 5 times same thing happened, Crashed out. Tell me you fixed the Warden thing? if you did why did that happen?

Please do not tell me to send my directX or update drivers, it has been done already. How can i frap it?? we all crashed out at gate, don't forget all 7 of us. There is no way i can frap it, if i take a screenshot, only says crash report. So how am i suppose to prove they are doing something fishy? I want to know how??

I would like to have it in the forum : Exploiters, Hackers and cheaters Billboard. What is Frogster afraid about by putting out names? are you afraid i would cross the person on the street with a toon name?? come on, they should stop putting their heads in the sand. The day i come across named Zidlef on the street i will fall on my arse, loll.

Maybe having those name out would make it think twice about inviting them to a guild. What action are taken if a person is caught hacking, cheating or exploiting? not Maybe, Might, we will look into it. Facts please ;-)

Hope to get a straight answer on this please. There should be no place for cheaters in a game or anywhere, just the lamest of life form on earth. No matter how much money they spend on the game.

My two cents

This is not to point fingers in this post, just a question

Zidlef, even if I have to admit that all 7 of you crashing at the same time is odd, it does not necessarily point to hacks, it could be an entire different server-related issue for your guild participating in this cross-server (beta) event.

To the best of my knowledge, the warden bug is fixed. If it is not more investigation and your bug reports will be needed.

Videos, Screens and descriptions of actions you watched during a siege war can always indicate and support your suspicion, but are no proof in itself. I am no support girl and I am also no IT girl, so I can not give you the deep-in-depth explanations you want to hear what all could have possibly caused this and also can not explain to you how we can see in investigation and review of the reported players account if they cheated or not, that would be counter-productive anyways as it would tell the "enemy" our modus operandi.

What you will not get: Exploiters, Hackers and Cheaters Billboard

Not because we are scared nor do we worry that much that you catch the guy who nuked your gate in a game with a hack on the street and risk your entire future by taking the game revenge to real life.

Please leave the investigation and punishment of such actions to us. Our biggest concern and your biggest concern should be that the hacks and cheats are diminished and players should understand not to use them under the risk of permanently loosing their accounts and anything they invested in them. But this is no medieval marketplace and we will not put up a name and shame board to throw eggs at. For various reasons, among them that behind a player is always a real person and data protection extends even to something as tiny as a charname in a game if connected to possible TOS violations, also this game is not only for adults but for kids as well. Mobbing is the last thing we want and we sure will not support it, even if a kid did something wrong. What if another player has a char very similar named and is mistakenly taken for that billboard player. Could he ever play in peace? What if a player just got a warning for first offenses and got a second chance. Do you want to haunt him for the rest of your game live?

There sometimes is a learning curve in when you did something wrong. Games sure qualify for that.

What you want is not effective, nor will it scare other players from cheating. It will just make some players game-life more miserable, which is also a reason why we can only encourage you not to host such lists on fan-sites either. You never know on those lists if the player really did something wrong, just look at how easy it is to accuse a player of hacking on these forums and you have players who see it entirely different. You might end on such a list yourself and it will be a hell of a ride to get yourself of the list.

Please leave reported players and if they did something wrong or not to us. You do not need such lists.

This is a game. We all want you to enjoy it and that it be hacks and cheats free. We all work for that to the best we can. A name and shame board would not fix things any faster.

Not everyone you think hacked did indeed hack or cheat. Not everyone you lost a siege war against did something wrong, you'd be amazed what lag spikes and server glitches can do to make it look like a miracle-man-walking-through-my-closed-gate. Keep an open and fair mind on things, report everything you deem wrong. And don't forget that this is a game and Siege Wars is a beta content of a game. The world will not stop spinning if you loose a battle

Quoted from "zidlef;528135"

Ok for Dionaea, We faced a guild 3 weeks ago, everytime we came out of our left gate, there was 4 P/S and one warden. As soon as we try going threw the gate on left we all crashed, 7 of us. We tried it 5 times same thing happened, Crashed out. Tell me you fixed the Warden thing? if you did why did that happen?

Please do not tell me to send my directX or update drivers, it has been done already. How can i frap it?? we all crashed out at gate, don't forget all 7 of us. There is no way i can frap it, if i take a screenshot, only says crash report. So how am i suppose to prove they are doing something fishy? I want to know how??

I would like to have it in the forum : Exploiters, Hackers and cheaters Billboard. What is Frogster afraid about by putting out names? are you afraid i would cross the person on the street with a toon name?? come on, they should stop putting their heads in the sand. The day i come across named Zidlef on the street i will fall on my arse, loll.

Maybe having those name out would make it think twice about inviting them to a guild. What action are taken if a person is caught hacking, cheating or exploiting? not Maybe, Might, we will look into it. Facts please ;-)

Hope to get a straight answer on this please. There should be no place for cheaters in a game or anywhere, just the lamest of life form on earth. No matter how much money they spend on the game.

My two cents

This is not to point fingers in this post, just a question

They don't allow it because I could really dislike you and be like "Zidlef hacks I saw him" and get a few of my buddies to say the same thing, it doesn't matter who you are the accusations could be baseless. IE Acet thought I was a scout instead of a rogue cough cough or they could be real and it's impossible to know, the only way to know if someone is legitimately cheating or exploiting is to be there watching what they're doing.

Hell, past two sieges I've seen some pretty random lag spikes on my end, everything will be normal throughout siege (my ping is generally around 40-60 at most I've seen it around 100) then bam hit with some sort of a server-side position reverse while fighting someone that puts me back maybe 200 ingame units. I'm thinking there's some sort of problem with the siege server lately though, but yeah when that happens it confuses the hell out of me along with whoever I'm fighting, though I've seen the same sort of thing happen to other people who I've been fighting before.

TYVM Dionaea ;-) as always you give it straight to us, really appreiciate it. I was just asking a fair amount of questions and got my answers, as always DIONAEA ROCKS ALL THE TIME!!!!

yea i have to agree, i dont think a wall of shame needs to exist. as it is, my guild has a , tarnished reputation wich we have since corrected and played as fair as can be but on those nights when we all see something fishy is going on it is very hard to not just say to hell with it, lets win this and get it over with.

far as i know we are still the most despised guild amongst palenque.

I am to the point where i no longer even wish to sign my guild up for siege any longer, it has become so unbalanced and one sided. how we remain in the point range we are in, I have no idea.

and after looking at some of the set skills and such, i have a clearer idea that some things are never black and white. until you have played and mastered every class combo there is, no sense in calling hax.

Here is one example of no wrong doing, but something that could easily be seen as HaXxoR MeTHodS.

As was pointed out above, there are also glitches that occurred. I was in a Siege (against an Honourable Guild) a few days ago, and one of their members was just outside of our gates, got feared by our flame tower, and "glitched" into our courtyard through the Gate. They made no attempt to attack any of our buildings, and stopped using skills...instead saying "WTF, how'd I get in here." We all had a good laugh in the middle of Siege, after that person face-planted, and then they rezzed out to their Guild Castle. These things happen, and I'm 100% that person did not hack their way through our Gate on purpose.