Pets in siege

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 6:48am

Quoted from "zidlef;535007"

We faced a guild tonight with players having 3 pets either warden, priest and couldn't target them, but we could target all the pets. Maybe Frogster should make siege like the last GM event we had, white gear, no pet, siege based on skills. For me using those tactics = Exploiting.

Warden makes me lag still even tho it was supposed to be fixed. Why can't these issues be adressed and fixed???

Second siege against Indigo server, lag issues in both of them. Are you gonna blame the connections again? bad servers will stay bad servers. Does Frogster know what causes lag in siege?? and don'T give me your BETA crap please, thx

I agree that pets aren't need in siege except for the warden pet (for reasons already stated in this thread) and the priest fairies. Priest fairies do so little damage it's pathetic, the buffs they give benefits their guildies around them, so I can understand those also. The egg pets (cavy or cash shop ones) are the ones not really needed in siege. As it is now, siege is a 1 shot fest anyway.

Since page 2 and on has become nothing but personal attacks and class bashing I don't see this thread lasting very long.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 7:31am

Sorry original poster, but of all exploited things in siege, the concept of using pets in PVP is what motivates you to come out vocally against exploiting.... versus all other things currently being exploited in siege.... then your priorities are WAY out of whack.

The only thing I can agree with here is that I believe ALL pets should be killable in PVP when targeted, not just priest pets without their stealth & warden pets.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 9:46am

I'm fairly certain that you can actually kill pets in siege...only thing is they have to start attacking you first. But seriously, pets have all kinds of benefits to the player, it would be silly calling it an exploit to use them. Maybe you could suggest they make pets not visible, easier to kill, literally anything except for banning them.

Honestly, using pots and foods add more than the pets do anyway. Even if you took away pets and stats, whoever ends up buffing the best and using the best foods will still beat most people. And as Bor said, some classes will just be better than others anyway

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 10:40am

Quoted from "Aristatic;535050"

That last event wasn't really about skill, i lute and tamb and 1 hit everyone cept a certain wd/s

Hey >:(

My matches were tough...especially being matched with guildies more than half the time -_-

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 12:05pm

Quoted from "DowntownOwn;535048"

So your saying, if rogues didn't use hide (which is highly impossible) they would have to try? So your pretty much agreeing with the fact that since they use hide, they don't have to try. Thanks for the support Kefkai! Remember, Flaming at other players on the forums is against the rules

One more thing @thebadtouch, I highly ever see Mages spamming flame in siege. It is usually fireball which even it has a cooldown. Also, we have to spam thunderstorm in order to find the wuss rogues that love the little skill called Hide cause they can't show themselves in a battlefield. So when the rogues don't have to use hide to mow down 4-5 people in a group that is in front of them just like any other class can. Let's talk, until then, rogues are still the most unskillful class in this game. To finish this, off, I have already started and I won't stop. So bring it on

Rogues are assassins, that's what they do. Go tell a priest/Druid not to heal in siege mate.

To be honest. Rogues become totally useless when a decent scout is around. go hang out with a scout, they are rogue repellent.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 1:38pm

Pretty ironic the topic starter is from Reni and is complaining about pets. Every Reni guild I have faced has always used all pets including useless vanity and any advantage they can have with full guild cooperation so sieging against same server guilds will not fix your problem at all.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 2:29pm

I agree that making pets killable in siege would make things right. I do have the macro now, thank you again Kefkai and all others on Reni server who linked it for me, appreciate it. I use my pet only when i see the other guild running around with 2-3 each or else i don't bother. And saying we should just siege agains't our own server was a pun intended at Frogster to fix lag issues and not get : it is in BETA, loll.

And for mister duckhead, no insult intended, just per picture ;-), i know pets gives the owner buff, mine gives me 10% HP and crit etc. don't flame other players on the forum against TOS and EULA. I have a right to discuss issues, you don't like mine don't read my thread. TYVM.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 6:41pm

Go to the macros page. There is a thread called "Useful Macros". There are two useful ones in pvp in general, one is target players only and the other is target NON-PETS. The latter one will surely solve your problems.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 6:56pm

Ty again for all your help ;-)

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 7:22pm

Quoted from "zidlef;535112"

I agree that making pets killable in siege would make things right. I do have the macro now, thank you again Kefkai and all others on Reni server who linked it for me, appreciate it. I use my pet only when i see the other guild running around with 2-3 each or else i don't bother. And saying we should just siege agains't our own server was a pun intended at Frogster to fix lag issues and not get : it is in BETA, loll.

And for mister duckhead, no insult intended, just per picture ;-), i know pets gives the owner buff, mine gives me 10% HP and crit etc. don't flame other players on the forum against TOS and EULA. I have a right to discuss issues, you don't like mine don't read my thread. TYVM.

Sorry zid, i should probably refrain from posting at 3am when im pissed off already.

Restricting siege to your own server wont help lag, even fighting against other guilds on our server people lag out badly. Chances are that even for these kinds of siege match ups, the game has to refer to the siege server anyways.

Making pets easier to kill is one thing, but removing them entirely or labeling them an exploit is over the top, especially considering they can easily be skipped over with a macro, or aoe'ed around.

Pets are annoying, but there are bigger issues with siege, mostly that this game isnt a PVP game. Its an e-peen, show off your gear game.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 7:46pm

As Quaffy said (I think it was him... i'm too lazy to scroll up and check), pets are killable in siege, if they attack you first. Problem is they don't often like to do that. And the item shop pets refuse to ever do it.

I agree that all pets should be killable, if they're targetabe they should be killable.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 10:22pm

I think you all have a lot of great ideas out there and I love the one about only using white gear none stated gear. As far as pets they are okay in their small role but I would like to say make them fair game too. It is rather silly I can kill the pet owner but not the pet.

Also pets do have a role in siege maybe not a major one but its still a role. However, item shop pets should not be allowed in siege since they play no role whatsoever unless you consider it to be a target dummy.

P.S. it's a bad sign when one have to use a macro to target players.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 11:34pm

The only pets that aren't killable in siege, and still targetable, are cash shop 1 diamond/ruby pets that are just vanity.

I've always been able to target and kill warden pets (sry, centaur always dies first), priest faeries, and the buffing pets. In truth, I've specifically targeted these pets before and killed them, especially the buffing pets, because of the amount of bonus they give their owner.

The only warden pet that can't be killed is the Nature Crystal, and it is immune to everything. I've sent it after people for amusement value and watched them try and kill it.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 1:26am

Quoted from "sadakko;535097"

To be honest. Rogues become totally useless when a decent scout is around. go hang out with a scout, they are rogue repellent.

^Very untrue.

I can get shadow prison on a scout before they can see me with detection. I can also pop invisi pot and become totally undetectable.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 1:37am

Quoted from "Borella;535038"

How was the PvP event the best thing ever... people won because of Chiron, or other idiotic things, not because they are good players. No, i'm not saying they were sucky players, just that it's not ALL based on skill.

Sorry have to disagree...TP investment counts for a lot when using Chiron (Centaur's Arrow)... I'm pretty sure Blunt would have been pwned in the Tournie if he didn't bother to invest heavily in TP.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 2:02am

Quoted from "L3g3nd;535263"

^Very untrue.

I can get shadow prison on a scout before they can see me with detection. I can also pop invisi pot and become totally undetectable.

Invis pots can be used by any class, its not rogue specific.

And if you are getting a shadow prison off and killing a scout, that means they were running around alone. A scout in a group will ward off most rogues.

Just be cause you CAN kill a scout with the right circumstances and some luck dosent mean that scouts dont do a good job of beating rogues up for their lunch money.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 2:04am

Quoted from "maomiai;535266"

Sorry have to disagree...TP investment counts for a lot when using Chiron (Centaur's Arrow)... I'm pretty sure Blunt would have been pwned in the Tournie if he didn't bother to invest heavily in TP.

I'm not talking about the amount you invest into skills. I'm talking about the players own skill. Yes, Blunt has skill, not denying that. Just pointing out that some classes are simply BETTER than other classes for PvP. And the tournament really wasn't 100% player skill like others are saying it is.

If Siege was taken down to just being everyone in white gear with white weapons it still wouldn't be equal. Some classes, Like Rogue, or Wdn/S, or P/S, or Scout/Knight, are simple better for pvp than other classes.

Not to mention I think it's wrong that a pet can one shot fully endgame geared P/K's... but that's another topic.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 2:27am

Darwec, we'Re good np ;-) everyone can vouch that i'm Disturbed enough to get banned from the forum from speaking my mind from time to time loll. But hell that is how i am, i truly enjoy the game, they just need to open the client to us with every available options and stop giving excuses.

Enjoy the game and your server mates and guildies, we can't like, agree or disagree with everyone, but i try to take advice bad or good, some cough cough little frogs should do the same and make this game the best one ;-)

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 2:40am

Quoted from "Borella;535275"

I'm not talking about the amount you invest into skills. I'm talking about the players own skill. Yes, Blunt has skill, not denying that. Just pointing out that some classes are simply BETTER than other classes for PvP. And the tournament really wasn't 100% player skill like others are saying it is.

If Siege was taken down to just being everyone in white gear with white weapons it still wouldn't be equal. Some classes, Like Rogue, or Wdn/S, or P/S, or Scout/Knight, are simple better for pvp than other classes.

Not to mention I think it's wrong that a pet can one shot fully endgame geared P/K's... but that's another topic.

siege with white gear and weapons no stats =a battle that wont be a 1 shot fest=more fun for the masses not just the geared players.it almost sounds as if you are afraid to try this.i was in this tourney and it was very fun for me i got to duel some of the best players on our server this was a pleasure for me,i also got to talk to some of them that i probly woulndt cross paths with very often.if siege was run like this i would be very happy.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 2:41am

What I want to know is why pets are even targetable at all in the first place?

No one needs to target them. No one heals them (with the notable exception of warden pets, let's remove them from this discussion). Stat pets, vanity pets and fairies never need to be targeted by anyone for anything, ever.

All they do is mess stuff up. Who's accidentally targeted a pet and not the boss and lost burn? Who's accidentally targeted a pet and not a torch and wiped a party? Who's accidentally targeted a pet and not the boxes in Cayus's room (back when people actually did boxes)?

It's idiotic. We shouldn't need to be even having this discussion. Pets should not be a target, ever. I should be able to mouse over my screen in a boss fight and not get a million pets, period.

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