Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "timthum;535280"

siege with white gear and weapons no stats =a battle that wont be a 1 shot fest=more fun for the masses not just the geared players.it almost sounds as if you are afraid to try this.i was in this tourney and it was very fun for me i got to duel some of the best players on our server this was a pleasure for me,i also got to talk to some of them that i probly woulndt cross paths with very often.if siege was run like this i would be very happy.

Didn't you see Aristatic's post? He buffed up and just one shot everyone. So no. I don't think this would fix anything. I'm not afraid to try it i'm afraid to see how badly I know Runewaker would *expletive deleted* it up.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;535273"

Invis pots can be used by any class, its not rogue specific.

And if you are getting a shadow prison off and killing a scout, that means they were running around alone. A scout in a group will ward off most rogues.

Just be cause you CAN kill a scout with the right circumstances and some luck dosent mean that scouts dont do a good job of beating rogues up for their lunch money.

Did I ever say invisi pots are class specific? No.

And who cares if the scout was running alone? It's not that hard to go low blow, tab, low blow, tab low blow, and repeat it for 4 times.

Finally, it's not about being in the right circumstances. If you're talking being in right circumstances as in I have to have invisi pot on, that's 20+ scout skills in one siege. However, I don't even have to rely on them. Any good rogue can outmaneuver a scout in order to not get seen. RoM isn't a "I charge in and attack as if I was invincible" game.

Yes, I get caught by scouts quite frequently but to say rogues are weak against scouts - very untrue. Simply put... in a siege war I can kill a scout as many times as they can kill me if not more.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;535289"

Did I ever say invisi pots are class specific? No.

And who cares if the scout was running alone? It's not that hard to go low blow, tab, low blow, tab low blow, and repeat it for 4 times.

Finally, it's not about being in the right circumstances. If you're talking being in right circumstances as in I have to have invisi pot on, that's 20+ scout skills in one siege. However, I don't even have to rely on them. Any good rogue can outmaneuver a scout in order to not get seen. RoM isn't a "I charge in and attack as if I was invincible" game.

Yes, I get caught by scouts quite frequently but to say rogues are weak against scouts - very untrue. Simply put... in a siege war I can kill a scout as many times as they can kill me if not more.

So you easily kill the one class that is supposed to be the anti-rogue... you must go up against some really *scatological profanity removed* scouts.

Quoted from "Borella;535292"

So you easily kill the one class that is supposed to be the anti-rogue... you must go up against some really *when you edit a post you should edit the quote* scouts.

Just because some guilds aren't at the top doesn't mean they don't face hard opponents. A good guild usually starts with an endgame player and sometimes a few others at endgame too.

Acet is a good rogue, hes probably exaggerating anyway and also thread is not about rogues v scouts

Quoted from "timthum;535280"

siege with white gear and weapons no stats =a battle that wont be a 1 shot fest=more fun for the masses not just the geared players.it almost sounds as if you are afraid to try this.i was in this tourney and it was very fun for me i got to duel some of the best players on our server this was a pleasure for me,i also got to talk to some of them that i probly woulndt cross paths with very often.if siege was run like this i would be very happy.

A discussion about pets, not a pvp rework.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;535281"

What I want to know is why pets are even targetable at all in the first place?

No one needs to target them. No one heals them (with the notable exception of warden pets, let's remove them from this discussion). Stat pets, vanity pets and fairies never need to be targeted by anyone for anything, ever.

All they do is mess stuff up. Who's accidentally targeted a pet and not the boss and lost burn? Who's accidentally targeted a pet and not a torch and wiped a party? Who's accidentally targeted a pet and not the boxes in Cayus's room (back when people actually did boxes)?

It's idiotic. We shouldn't need to be even having this discussion. Pets should not be a target, ever. I should be able to mouse over my screen in a boss fight and not get a million pets, period.

They shouldent be removed, but untargetable or killable does make sense.

Quoted from "Borella;535292"

So you easily kill the one class that is supposed to be the anti-rogue... you must go up against some really shitty scouts.

I've gone against plenty of end game scouts; they're all the same. 50k hp or 140k hp, a 150k low blow is a 150k low blow. If it's skill level of the scout that you mean, I don't see how a scout can do much if I get first-hit opportunity. I get owned by scouts countless times in siege but vice-versa as well. Also, aside from their detection, I really don't see how they're "anti-rogue" and how all rogues are vulnerable to scouts.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;535308"

I've gone against plenty of end game scouts; they're all the same. 50k hp or 140k hp, a 150k low blow is a 150k low blow. If it's skill level of the scout that you mean, I don't see how a scout can do much if I get first-hit opportunity. I get owned by scouts countless times in siege but vice-versa as well. Also, aside from their detection, I really don't see how they're "anti-rogue" and how all rogues are vulnerable to scouts.

He's never seen Kanu. Or Shinryuh. Or any decent 200k s/k, apparently.

If all you do in siege is be a rogue in a low-points guild and pwn undergeared to mid-geared nublets, you'd not really know what a real scout is like.

Scouts aren't all the same outside the 1k bracket Acet.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;535316"

He's never seen Kanu. Or Shinryuh. Or any decent 200k s/k, apparently.

If all you do in siege is be a rogue in a low-points guild and pwn undergeared to mid-geared nublets, you'd not really know what a real scout is like.

Scouts aren't all the same outside the 1k bracket Acet.

Ya he probably has never gone up against one of the really good scouts in this game. If he thinks it's that easy to kill them. Kanuu is.. scary.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;535316"

He's never seen Kanu. Or Shinryuh. Or any decent 200k s/k, apparently.

If all you do in siege is be a rogue in a low-points guild and pwn undergeared to mid-geared nublets, you'd not really know what a real scout is like.

Scouts aren't all the same outside the 1k bracket Acet.

We don't face them every night, but most guilds at our level have a few or one very endgame or geared player, its the number of high end players that makes a guild good in siege.

We've got about 2200 points now, and we've gone higher. < dis guild has a few problems that you'd know about if you've ever been in or are close to our lead

Quoted from "L3g3nd;535308"

I've gone against plenty of end game scouts; they're all the same. 50k hp or 140k hp, a 150k low blow is a 150k low blow. If it's skill level of the scout that you mean, I don't see how a scout can do much if I get first-hit opportunity. I get owned by scouts countless times in siege but vice-versa as well. Also, aside from their detection, I really don't see how they're "anti-rogue" and how all rogues are vulnerable to scouts.

Try 200k-300k hp. Now *those* are scouts. Get a first hit opportunity against Kannu, Shin, Tien. Guarantee you won't live.

No disrespect to players under the 4k bracket - but when you go against guilds with 5k+ points, its a whole different siege. Players are better geared, there is more abundance of skill, more clutch moments. I've spent a fair amount of time in the 1-3k bracket when I was undergeared. It was fun, but looking back: It is *nothing* like the guilds I've been facing.

People go on here bragging about getting 100-400 kills, try that against guilds like Corruption, PPK, Heretic, Noto (when they have everyone on and working together beautifully), Bteam. You won't get half that. Play with the *real* big boys, and see how much you hate scouts.

edit: as a healer, I <3 pets. Don't change a thing

Quoted from "Borella;535317"

Ya he probably has never gone up against one of the really good scouts in this game. If he thinks it's that easy to kill them. Kanuu is.. scary.

I've never been in an end end end game guild, but do you face Kanus every night?

Almost nobody gets a Kanu or a Tienkeem (oh god I forgot him, it must have been PTSD) every single night, but we probably see them a few times a week.

Like Raves said, siege in the >5k bracket is a whole 'nother world.

If you see a scout running towards you with 200k, you are screwed. Even Nito, and he's s/wd and not the dreaded s/k, can put a major hurting on most of a guild by himself.

My point was not to denigrate your guild Sascori, Noto has spent most of it's life in the >5k bracket, but to take some of the wind from Acet's sails. A scout is not a scout is not a scout, if they're named Kanuchou or Tienkeem or Shinryuh or Nito or even my Linkk. Scouts come in regular and Extra Crisp You, just like every other class. Just because Acet hasn't run across one, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Quoted from "RoMunited;535323"

I've never been in an end end end game guild, but do you face Kanus every night?

We face people like him often. Most guilds have really well geared scouts, specifically s/k's. They will roll over rogues. A full rotation wont kill them, meaning if they have a friend near by, you are dead. Similarly, you cant kill their fried because they will spot you.

On that note, its not just the scouts. There are a lot of good players all over and the best siege guilds are those with a good mix of all classes, rogues, scouts, mages, healers, knights, and wardens.

There is a lot that can be done for improving siege war, including pets, damage balancing, terrain. There are lots of problems, the solutions have to be a balance between doing too much and not enough.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;535327"

Almost nobody gets a Kanu or a Tienkeem (oh god I forgot him, it must have been PTSD) every single night, but we probably see them a few times a week.

Like Raves said, siege in the >5k bracket is a whole 'nother world.

If you see a scout running towards you with 200k, you are screwed. Even Nito, and he's s/wd and not the dreaded s/k, can put a major hurting on most of a guild by himself.

My point was not to denigrate your guild Sascori, Noto has spent most of it's life in the >5k bracket, but to take some of the wind from Acet's sails. A scout is not a scout is not a scout, if they're named Kanuchou or Tienkeem or Shinryuh or Nito or even my Linkk. Scouts come in regular and Extra Crisp You, just like every other class. Just because Acet hasn't run across one, doesn't mean they don't exist.

+1 well sed, as a 4-5k+ siege bracket victim you really see the difference, when we luck out and face a random 2k or lower guild by chance i can get like 50-60 kills in as a warr, but when we get stuck in our bracket or higher that number drops significantly, its there that u see that most classes can be OP and top kills is almost never the dreaded p/s or the r/s