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Friday, June 8th 2012, 6:28pm

Don't believe the Diamond hype!

Now I know some people are like magpies and see a shiny object and get distracted but I want you all to see the reality of what Frogster is doing here. Ready for it.

1. Since November 2011 frogster has raised CS prices by roughly 20%, largely in part by using the Euro conversion excuse.

2. For two months they have starved the community of double diamonds quite intentionally to lower your expectations.

3. Now they drop CS prices by 40%, which in realty is 20%, they thought we would forget the incremental increases.

4. Their disclaimer is that double diamonds will be exclusive, lets say 4-6 times a year.

End result, if you are like me you have a set amount you will spend on diamonds, and only during double diamonds. Truth is the game costs exactly the same as it did. If not more.

Now if they increased the amount of normal diamonds per purchase as well as a decrease in CS prices, that would be a real change. But instead many of you are buying into a methodically laid out plan which began 6-8 months ago.

I really could have sworn this community was far more savvy.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 6:46pm

Darn it! I forgot to wear my tin foil hat and they got to me.
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Friday, June 8th 2012, 6:47pm

Quoted from "regentego;535450"

Now I know some people are like magpies and see a shiny object and get distracted but I want you all to see the reality of what Frogster is doing here. Ready for it.

1. Since November 2011 frogster has raised CS prices by roughly 20%, largely in part by using the Euro conversion excuse.

2. For two months they have starved the community of double diamonds quite intentionally to lower your expectations.

3. Now they drop CS prices by 40%, which in realty is 20%, they thought we would forget the incremental increases.

4. Their disclaimer is that double diamonds will be exclusive, lets say 4-6 times a year.

End result, if you are like me you have a set amount you will spend on diamonds, and only during double diamonds. Truth is the game costs exactly the same as it did. If not more.

Now if they increased the amount of normal diamonds per purchase as well as a decrease in CS prices, that would be a real change. But instead many of you are buying into a methodically laid out plan which began 6-8 months ago.

I really could have sworn this community was far more savvy.


I'm not sure why you are complaining? It may not be the OMG BEST DEAL EVER - I honestly would be satisfied if they had just gone back to the original prices of things. If you recall when the prices WERE that way they still only had Double Dias once in a loooong while. Sometimes we got like 50% dias or something but DD were only a couple times a year. A discount is a discount. The decreased puri and charge prices make worth it for me. Sometimes when puri packs aren't on sale and you're in a pinch it is painful to find and pay 50 dias for just one. This also means better prices on stats = healthier in game economy.

I'm not saying we should be throwing our panties at FEU, but this is still way better. Certainly nothing to complain about. If you don't spend money on the game anyway all it means is there are more people in game willing to sell dias and at better prices to boot.

SO PLEASE, BELIEVE THE HYPE. WTB DIAS 8k per.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 6:56pm

I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves. EU posted item shop changes...for the EU item shop. Not a word has been said in regards to the US item shop, which as we know always has different prices (in terms of diamond cost! before anyone starts doing price comparisons again...just talking diamond price X_X). And so why hasn't anything been said about the US item shop? Because we don't get the price changes, or because we get different price changes, or because someone just forgot? >_>; Unless Frogster posts something about the US side about this, everyone is counting chickens before they're hatched.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 7:03pm

Do you need diamonds? maybe, depends on how much you want to do in the game.

Does frogster deserve your money? My vote stays at no. Not until they learn their lesson and get on runewakers behind about fixing existing content (finishing existing content that seems abandoned) before introducing newer buggier content. In addition frogster needs to realize that having a bigger more available presence in the game means something to the consumer. As much or as little work a GM may or may not be doing on the forums and support tickets, everything could be handled better than it already is.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:00pm

Elb is correct... just do the math.

PFS before 25 diamonds then frequent +100% diamonds so 25 / 2 = 12.5 real pricing

Now, assuming we get the same thing as Euro, 19 diamonds straight up. 19 real price.

They didn't lower anything. Math ftw... no tinfoil hat needed. Maybe I just need a fuzzy pink hat to make 12.5 > 19...
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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:27pm

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Elb is correct... just do the math.

PFS before 25 diamonds then frequent +100% diamonds so 25 / 2 = 12.5 real pricing

Now, assuming we get the same thing as Euro, 19 diamonds straight up. 19 real price.

They didn't lower anything. Math ftw... no tinfoil hat needed. Maybe I just need a fuzzy pink hat to make 12.5 > 19...




People just can't see the math right now, best way I can describe it is double diamonds IS 50% off. If you drop prices by 40% but rarely do DD, you are paying 10% more. So many ways to manipulate virtual currency, because it has no value and is infinite, its not subject to any supply and demand rules.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:36pm

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People just can't see the math right now, best way I can describe it is double diamonds IS 50% off. If you drop prices by 40% but rarely do DD, you are paying 10% more. So many ways to manipulate virtual currency, because it has no value and is infinite, its not subject to any supply and demand rules.


Ebil, please try to calm down. People are listening to what you're saying about it still being expensive (and a price increase under DD). I'm not exactly thrilled with the current changes, but at least they actually made an attempt at letting us know wtf was going on with the pricing.

I'm sticking to "If No Dia Sale, You Get Nothing". There are plenty of people stating the same thing. I'm mad as hell that I can only get rubies when the item is NOT on sale- that's a pretty blatant way to try to manipulate me into purchasing an item when it isn't- which means I'll simply switch to buying rubies with in-game gold unless they change it back.
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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:40pm

Or you stock up on diamonds when its a promo and buy when the sales are up. Why don't we wait and see how this pans out.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:44pm

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Or you stock up on diamonds when its a promo and buy when the sales are up. Why don't we wait and see how this pans out.



Lol ladym I am calm, and yes brogue wait and see, but I'm prepping everyone, seriously tho management hasn't changed =P

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:50pm

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Lol ladym I am calm, and yes brogue wait and see, but I'm prepping everyone, seriously tho management hasn't changed =P


The worst part is that we're going back to old times... Mounts at 399 diamonds and storage having it's price increased, next thing you know they're going to put the price back up on housing energy.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:52pm

Quoted from "Stagg3r;535469"

Elb is correct... just do the math.

PFS before 25 diamonds then frequent +100% diamonds so 25 / 2 = 12.5 real pricing

Now, assuming we get the same thing as Euro, 19 diamonds straight up. 19 real price.

They didn't lower anything. Math ftw... no tinfoil hat needed. Maybe I just need a fuzzy pink hat to make 12.5 > 19...


Try rate of decrease...

Will it take longer for a noob to grind a "free offer" for a Purified Fusion Stone at the old price of 50, or the new price at 19? Thusly, they will be increasingly incentivised to do the "free offer" and still make frogster money. You dig?
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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:52pm

It would seem the items we need to gear up are cut in price, which are usually in high demand, while lower demand items such as what Kefkai mentioned are now higher. Still nothing up on the US side and still nothing on what the weekend offers will be.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:54pm

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management hasn't changed


This is the most important part about how frogster is handling this. Who is to say that the prices for the start of chapter 5 wont be "introductory prices".

Consumable items need to be dirt cheap while permanent items should be raised, what they announced is a step in the right direction but that doesn't mean they will keep going that way. After all, the fact that they have the diamond sale 4 days prior to the price changes leaves me quite concerned as there is no reason for me to have faith in frogster to hold up their end of the bargain. They can't even release reliable information about the upcoming chapter, what reason do I have to believe they can release reliable information about their own prices.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:58pm

Oh man, I just realized they're trying to do away with Daily sales too, going from 7 times a week to 3 which if they're like the way they've been lately (lame stuff) will make it so the sales are completely useless. (Also they're limiting the time period of the sales so less people can actually buy the stuff)

That used to be a good way to be able to play the game cheaper, and I guess they realized that.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:02pm

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Try rate of decrease...

Will it take longer for a noob to grind a "free offer" for a Purified Fusion Stone at the old price of 50, or the new price at 19? Thusly, they will be increasingly incentivised to do the "free offer" and still make frogster money. You dig?


Where did they state they would be reducing the phirius token shop price to match the new diamond pricing?
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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:03pm

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Where did they state they would be reducing the phirius token shop price to match the new diamond pricing?


I think he meant the survey option of diamonds, not phirius

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:14pm

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Where did they state they would be reducing the phirius token shop price to match the new diamond pricing?


As you know, I'm only talking about the diamonds.
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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:04pm

I will say the decrease looks good to me but I'm not a salesman like elibone who does all of this everyday and understands what their doing. Hell I'm still in High school so i cant do the math to figure out wiether this is a good sale.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:29pm

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I will say the decrease looks good to me but I'm not a salesman like elibone who does all of this everyday and understands what their doing. Hell I'm still in High school so i cant do the math to figure out wiether this is a good sale.



K how bout this, I take my kids to petter piper pizza, I buy 50 tokens for $20, each game costs 2 tokens to play, my kids play 25 games.

Next week I take them back and WOW 100 tokens for $20, but it now takes 4 tokens per game, so they still play 25 games, but mentally they feel like they got more.

This style over substance. They not manipulating the prices they are manipulating YOU!