Runes of Magic US / AU

Ebi if you were a woman you would be in trouble. I would be humping your leg every second you were logged in.

I did the math when i saw the announcement before work and went... ok so nothing is really changing, except some things will be MORE then before. i think star mounts were 299, now 399, sounds like they are hitting up noobs for more money that need their first mount.

Eb, i gotta say you beat me to this, cause to me sounds like business as usual. Yea if you only stock up on diamonds at the sales and never need to recharge between sales. The mount is the one that gets me the most.

299 diamonds for the mount, you used to be able to always get double diamonds. so that is like 150 at normal cost, so like 7.50.

399 now, and you are only lucky if you get double diamonds.... so most new players will need a mount and get it not on sale, so that comes to close to 20 dollars, ouch.

talk about exchange rate. However it is a way to get more money outta new players as kind of like a first time investment.

Heres an idea... SAVE YOUR DIAMONDS! If you save all the money to buy only on double diamonds and then manage them, it shouldnt really be that big of a deal.

Quoted from "dexhunterz;535524"

Heres an idea... SAVE YOUR DIAMONDS! If you save all the money to buy only on double diamonds and then manage them, it shouldnt really be that big of a deal.

They basically said we're never going to have diamond sales... so... you're gonna need to buy like 300-400 bucks at a time in order to have enough to keep up.

Well froggie sales team better think through carefully what the price gonna be in the "better price" cash shop. The diamond buying player base is watching closely, this could be a turning point for this game. Whether more players will slowly flock back, or losing the ranting few on this thread now . Let's wait and see what they cook up when the price is out.

I really feel sorry for some of you. I see people that really want to play this game and are trying so hard to rationalize a way to justify the cost Frogster is trying to make you pay. They are trying to force customers into buying diamonds at non-sale prices. It's like some sick game or punishment where they see how bad they can treat you and still have you pay them to keep doing it.

I haven't spent a dime on this game since "The Mighty Shield" patch and I'm no where near endgame and have come to terms with the fact that I don't have the time to grind gold and be a F2P endgamer. Even if I did have the time it would be a sick self punishment to attempt as a Knight. Will I try out the new class?? Yeah.....I'll roll a Champion and play it up to around level 55 just to see how the class plays. I've learned that subscription games are actually less expensive and look forward to trying one of the new ones out...just have to decide what one....LoL!!

Quoted from "Borella;535527"

They basically said we're never going to have diamond sales... so... you're gonna need to buy like 300-400 bucks at a time in order to have enough to keep up.

No, not gunna happen! I bought a much smaller lot of diamonds with this sale. If prices turn out to be as bad as I expect they may, it just means I will have no diamonds & will play something else.

The ball has been in frogster's court for some time now, either they make realistic price cuts or I am no longer a paying customer. I love the game in all its buggy, broken glory but no game is worth the cash they think they can get us to spend.

Quoted from "Borella;535527"

They basically said we're never going to have diamond sales... so... you're gonna need to buy like 300-400 bucks at a time in order to have enough to keep up.

They wish, but its not gonna happen, I'll buy with whatever amount I have extra to buy with at the time of the sale. I won't be saving my money back from week to week just waiting for the next sale.
And if they continue on this trend I may possibly just pack up and leave altogether. Their not the only game in town.

Quoted from "Stagg3r;535469"

Elb is correct... just do the math.

PFS before 25 diamonds then frequent +100% diamonds so 25 / 2 = 12.5 real pricing

Now, assuming we get the same thing as Euro, 19 diamonds straight up. 19 real price.

They didn't lower anything. Math ftw... no tinfoil hat needed. Maybe I just need a fuzzy pink hat to make 12.5 > 19...

The cost of Purified Fusion Stones (puris) and Arcane transmutator charges are at the foundation of the economy, since they are critical to statting armor and tiering up armor and weapons. Can't argue with this math: certainly the stars never aligned right by design (puri package sales at the same time there are double dia sales), but like a poster said, one could time it to make the system work. Patience was rewarded. Can't say it will be now.

The price increases for permanent items is, because they are permanent, irrelevant in the long run. The price increases for chests is rather significant: Puri PACKAGES stack, but individual puris don't, so the need for large amounts of storage if sales are confined to puris and not puri packages goes up. I can't remember the poster who anticipated a cost increase in house energy, but I believe they are correct since house energy determines how many pieces of furniture are purchaseable and potentially placeable, but the house size determines how many are actually placed.

Runewaker and Frogster have something that a REAL sales person only dreams of: they have a base expense of servers and bandwidth that hard bargaining can render reasonably constant, and have a personnel cost that is relatively fixed, yet sell something that is infinitely reproduceable (bits) that is virtually nothing for something (euros/dollars).

I am sure they are patting themselves on the back on their "cleverness" in being able to sell nothing for something, but they are not REAL scam artists, who would quickly see the value in keeping the marks happily exchanging nothing for something by regularly selling them twice or thrice as much of nothing for the same something.

Goodness, they're not good at ANYTHING, are they?

it all comes down to how frequent diamond offers with +100%(+) will be regardless of the price changes now.

I can perfectly live with a redesign making consumable stuff that you need LOADS of cheaper and making stuff thats going to stay permanently like a mount or chests more expensive.

Still it comes down to how many times i can still get the old pricing together which resulted in a total 25% of the original price in real money, which was the only point at which the prices were atleast a BIT acceptable.

I could care less about mounts and stuff being more expensive, thats a one-time investment for non-collectors.

Ebi you were right about the amount of dias going up.this is going to be a must for froggy to do,500 dias for $20........should be 750 dias for $20 all the time this would increase regular non sale dia purchases.$2500 in 1 year for a free to play game........ now no one made me spend i did this knowing what i was doing.since xmas i have spent $20. i am not end game ,i am barely gc ready but i enjoyed the game.the fun is leaving with the sales being what they are.i truly hope that frogster will change the regular amount of dias.but i dont believe they will .frogster has other games out there .

An issue I forgot to address is the potential for the level cap to increase to the point that vendors sell t5 gear. That would actually drop the effective costs of tiering (not statting) by a third.

However, that won't happen immediately in the new content, and I don't know if they actually will have the nerve to do it. That's because I perceive a "purist" faction within Runewaker that have a "vision" about how classes and class combos "ought" to work and how much someone "ought" to work to get to certain power levels. I hold these 'fundamentalists' responsible for imposing GCD on mages, nerfing Party Heal, making Rogues OP, and turning Black Codex purchases into a pure cr*pshoot with worse odds than an on-line casino. I sincerely believe that Ice Blade is near the top of their target list. These guys would go along with restrictive dia pricing that would reduce the creation of high tier weapons. T5 vendor gear would upset the bell curve.

Listen to Regentego, Frogster: We can eat bread with our money, but are willing to exchange it for good rates on bits that cost you NOTHING to duplicate. Good luck trying to eat bits.

Quoted from "hollyesprit;535628"

An issue I forgot to address is the potential for the level cap to increase to the point that vendors sell t5 gear. That would actually drop the effective costs of tiering (not statting) by a third.

However, that won't happen immediately in the new content, and I don't know if they actually will have the nerve to do it. That's because I perceive a "purist" faction within Runewaker that have a "vision" about how classes and class combos "ought" to work and how much someone "ought" to work to get to certain power levels. I hold these 'fundamentalists' responsible for imposing GCD on mages, nerfing Party Heal, making Rogues OP, and turning Black Codex purchases into a pure cr*pshoot with worse odds than an on-line casino. I sincerely believe that Ice Blade is near the top of their target list. These guys would go along with restrictive dia pricing that would reduce the creation of high tier weapons. T5 vendor gear would upset the bell curve.

Listen to Regentego, Frogster: We can eat bread with our money, but are willing to exchange it for good rates on bits that cost you NOTHING to duplicate. Good luck trying to eat bits.

I actually don't think that having t5 whites will make tiering cheaper. Because as soon as we have t5 whites, t11 will just become the new t10, and since ALOT of the endgamers already t11, t12 will become the new "must have". Hell, we have one person on Reni with a t12 GCH dagger already, and we're still dealing with t4's.

Having t5 whites will make it easier to get to t10, yes, but t10 will become what t9 is now, looked down upon. And Runewaker will cater the new content to people with t11-t12 weapons instead of t9-t10 weapons.

Frogster doesn't like their community realizing these things, that's why they haven't responded... They know that you're all right.

T5:
68 purple
74 blue
78 green
81 white

short: you will not see vendor-t5 until Chapter VI, and clean t5 drops only if you are really lucky (think for yourself how many blue CLEAN drops you have found so far lets say in TB). But you could use lvl74+ blues for weapons, just not for clean tiering.