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LadyMacV

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 8:55pm

I think it's time the community had a fairly serious discussion about the little gear icon used to trade gear.

As Wiffo noted in another thread, the ABL was conspicuous in its absence with regards to the "new" prices just released by FEU. While it may or may not be seeing a price reduction- currently, with no diamond sale and regular price, the Advanced Bind Lifter costs about $4.50.

Multiply that by the maximum number of gear slots a character can use (19, I think, on R/s?) and you're looking at $85.50. That doesn't include plussing, drilling, or statting the items.

Really, with all of the other methods FEU has in the CS (and besides sponsors and investors) to make cash- do we absolutely have to have a system in place in which I have to use this item just to get gear out into the economy, to my guild mates? They were already removed on the PVP servers.

Sure. I can just spend my daily tokens on an abl after over half a month. But for your average casual player, that isn't going to happen.

I know that removing the abl's will get gear out faster, encouraging more people to buy plussing jewels, drillers, runes, puris and stats for their equipment. More people will be able to gear up to run content for more gear, as AH prices will drop (and more guilds will be able to get gear, eliminating the pricing monopoly in the AH that the top guilds on each server typically try to enforce.)

It's time these went bye-bye, if FEU is serious about fixing our economy.

FEU stated that they want a "fair, balanced in game economy" in their latest statement. Removing the ABL from gameplay mechanics would go a long way towards improving server population and increasing overall profits, although that's just my opinion.

In a world of black, white, and grey... I'd be bright friggin' purple. M/P on Reni.

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sertet

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:00pm

They could at least go the route of ranked ABLs like they have for plussing jewels, make the cost of unbinding lower level gear decrease a considerable amount.
While the ABLs are indeed missing from the list, they did note that it would be too much info to include all changes and that we have to wait and see to make note of the price changes for all items

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:20pm

Quoted from "LadyMacV;535483"

As Wiffo noted in another thread, the ABL was conspicuous in its absence with regards to the "new" prices just released by FEU.

That's because we don't have the ABL in our Shop.

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sertet

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:22pm

Quoted from "Inferiority;535491"

That's because we don't have the ABL in our Shop.

.... Yea we do. (unless you meant the EU shop)

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 9:56pm

Me foresees a return ter the days afore the ABL twas known off, namely: "WTS X-item in tosh, pst fer party inv."

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:08pm

Everything should drop "bind on equip" you want the player base to grow that's how, but that makes sense not cents.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:20pm

yeah...lvl 55 and lower gear shud need a reduced price on unbinding...i have been vendoring my ZS/DL and HoS gear with set skills intact just because no1 wants to pay for an abl...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:35pm

I think they call the nickle and dime strategy where there is an item that is absolutely needed and they can tax on a little extra... But the real problem is that FEU and others in power know people will still buy these items the second a diamond sell its released without really thinking about it....

It just toss this out there too a lot of players don't really care to much about the forums (rom politics) or don't want to be involved in the game to the extent we are so change will be difficult to come by unless more people get involved.

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Inferiority

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:36pm

Quoted from "Cike;535502"

yeah...lvl 55 and lower gear shud need a reduced price on unbinding...i have been vendoring my ZS/DL and HoS gear with set skills intact just because no1 wants to pay for an abl...

Holy crap! Send me a PM with details of anything suitable for a Mage if you're on Osha.

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LadyMacV

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:46pm

Quoted from "regentego;535500"

Everything should drop "bind on equip" you want the player base to grow that's how, but that makes sense not cents.

The point I'm trying to make in here is that they'd make more "cents" without the ABL's than they do with them. They'd also net a larger player base, which is desperately needed.

Less ABL's needing to be bought means more plussers, drillers, runes, and puris being bought.

In a world of black, white, and grey... I'd be bright friggin' purple. M/P on Reni.

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Cike

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 10:50pm

Quoted from "Inferiority;535510"

Holy crap! Send me a PM with details of anything suitable for a Mage if you're on Osha.

nope, sorry, i'm on wonderful palenque...

my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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dexhunterz

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 11:31pm

Making ABL's and reg lifters like the plussing jewels would be awesome. It would help players get decent gear as well as make frogster money, also getting players to endgame faster. Just name them after the instance. RT ABL etc etc etc. That being said, nowhere have I seen common sense coming from the sales team...EVER.....so why discuss anything like this.....

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LadyMacV

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Saturday, June 9th 2012, 12:46am

Quoted from "dexhunterz;535530"

Making ABL's and reg lifters like the plussing jewels would be awesome. It would help players get decent gear as well as make frogster money, also getting players to endgame faster. Just name them after the instance. RT ABL etc etc etc. That being said, nowhere have I seen common sense coming from the sales team...EVER.....so why discuss anything like this.....

The idea has enough merit that if it gets discussed enough, the sales team will have to pay attention to it. Just as Runewaker was pretty much forced to remove their GCD or lose their player base entirely.

The sales team needs to understand that when items are priced too high, the content itself gets affected, along with the in-game economy. They stated that they were paying attention to the feedback on the forums, and that they wanted to see the in-game economy stabilize. Leveled ABLS is one idea, the issue being that it's a bunch of new items that will see price increases in the same fashion the RAPS (random attribute purification stone) did. Which is why I'm for the removal of it.

In a world of black, white, and grey... I'd be bright friggin' purple. M/P on Reni.

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Abaishtona

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Saturday, June 9th 2012, 1:03am

If items didn't need ABLs, I would have spent a lot more money helping guildies and friends through plussing and stuff when I got good drops. But the fact that you need an ABL for KS drop is completely stupid. I could understand that top weapon drop, but dungeons should be phased out where after an expansion or something, all items in the dungeon just need a bind lifter or something. Of course the new dungeons could still have ABL required items. KT, RT, HoS, etc shouldn't have ABL items anymore.

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Craigers

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Saturday, June 9th 2012, 2:47am

Quoted from "Cike;535502"

yeah...lvl 55 and lower gear shud need a reduced price on unbinding...i have been vendoring my ZS/DL and HoS gear with set skills intact just because no1 wants to pay for an abl...

I agree they should implement something like this.
They currently have plussers for equipment for different levels, so why not ABL's for the same levels of Bind on Equip items, priced accordingly.

Example:
Gear Level 1- 49 only require regular unbinders
Level 50-59 - ABL for 40 diamonds
Level 60-69 - ABL for 65 diamonds
Level 70-80 - ABL at current 99 diamonds

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Saturday, June 9th 2012, 3:13am

Quoted from "LadyMacV;535520"

The point I'm trying to make in here is that they'd make more "cents" without the ABL's than they do with them. They'd also net a larger player base, which is desperately needed.

Less ABL's needing to be bought means more plussers, drillers, runes, and puris being bought.

Free to Play is a Marketing strategy used to lure people into playing and eventually becoming an investor in the RoM product. And I think that's why a lot of people say around since they have become lured in and became "Deep Investors" in the Rom product. Also on that note a conscience gamer will note that for the price to become endgame in RoM or any FTP you could play a sub based mmo for a few years if not more but again the lure of "Free to Play" is strong.

First off I love the ideas about the abl's but the only problem that I can conceive is that abl's as it stands is one of RoM staple sellers especially since selling gear is a hot marketplace. Abl sales are guaranteed income for Froggy and company, when all things considered, people will somewhere along the line sell gear.

I would suggest this just sell kt and rt gear for mentos like they do the kt and rt weapons and give more players an easy and decent place to start buying those plussers, puris, driller, etc. Eventually those players will move one to higher level instances farm then and the process will continue and continue to level 1,000.

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Saturday, June 9th 2012, 3:43am

Quoted from "regentego;535500"

Everything should drop "bind on equip" you want the player base to grow that's how, but that makes sense not cents.

I can agree with this with one simple change. All purple gear should be BOE. While any gear gotten from a quest should stay as they are. Most quest gear is bound and should stay as such. Doing it that way the ABL's can stay ingame for those that want to reuse quest gear on other characters.

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Saturday, June 9th 2012, 5:37am

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;535564"

I can agree with this with one simple change. All purple gear should be BOP. While any gear gotten from a quest shi=ould stay as they are. Most quest gear is bound and should stay as such.Doing it that way the ABL's can stay ingame for those that want to reuse quest gear on other characters.

You mean BoE Mega. Bind on Equip, not Bind on Pickup (which is what it already is).

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