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Tuesday, June 12th 2012, 11:39pm

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How are you getting paid?? for your services here please, do tell ?

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Mentors are Volunteers, they share their private time with us on forums and share their knowledge and private time with us and you. They are payed with respect and gratitude. (*Hint*) They write in green.

GMs are Support, CMs and Moderators are Forum team members, they write in blue. We have shifts and are paid at hourly rate.

No matter what color we write, if we want diamonds we pay for them from our money for our accounts on which we play. I do not see where your point is with that and i truly hope you can tune it down a notch.

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Tuesday, June 12th 2012, 11:48pm

On that note, I would appreciate it if you would please return to the original subject. Which is to discuss having equipment become bind on equip versus the current system.

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Tuesday, June 12th 2012, 11:57pm

I get that the IS for EU and US are now one and the same. That is a good step and it makes sense and will help Frogster's organization, that is all true. However, the process is far from over now. EU and US servers, though the same game, are worlds apart.

The EU does have dia>gold NPCs for their benefit and though some may argue it has a big impact or a little impact...it does make an impact on the economy that the US does not have.

The EU is also used to not having ABLs or +12 jewels permanently in their IS and they have managed ok. They take advantage of when those items are on sale and go from there. The US is NOT used to not having ABLs or +12 jewels. Those were both big additions (positive ones, imo) to the US IS and a big to-do was made by Frogster when this was implemented. I doubt the EU would complain if these were made permanent to them, as they were to us. So do take that into consideration. The max plus level is +16 so there's really no reason why the IS should have a cut-off at +6 (arguably a level equal to chapter 1, chapter 2 content, NOT chapter 5 content).

On top of that, the EU and US economies are vastly different, and vary further by server. In general, the EU servers seem to be more stable than the US servers and arguably more populated. Though the IS is now shared, it has to take this into consideration and offer items that can positively impact the players from each server/client. It was hinted in the announcement that this fine tuning would come into play, however the IS right at this moment is not accomplishing it.

I personally think this is a good step, but it NEEDS to be tweaked. It is not a matter of "wants," but a matter of necessity. That should already be clear from the comments in this thread and in others. I expect to see a follow-through from Frogster.

@LadyV: And yes, having gear as BOE and eliminating the use of ABLs would also be a valid way to address the issue. I have no qualms over that. If that's how they choose to resolve the issue, then more power to them and I gladly welcome it.

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Wednesday, June 13th 2012, 12:04am

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Mentors are Volunteers, they share their private time with us on forums and share their knowledge and private time with us and you. They are payed with respect and gratitude. (*Hint*) They write in green.

GMs are Support, CMs and Moderators are Forum team members, they write in blue. We have shifts and are paid at hourly rate.

No matter what color we write, if we want diamonds we pay for them from our money for our accounts on which we play. I do not see where your point is with that and i truly hope you can tune it down a notch.



So that FM from Spanish servers who confirmed they are given diamonds every month was lying? I'm a good a pretty good judge of character he seemed quite sincere to me. Oh well guess I was fooled, shame on me!

EDIT, to respect LadyM, I think this will have terrible ramifications on the PvE servers, I'm a money vs. Time guy, I have far more money then time, and I buy gear often in the AH cause I don't have 6 hours to farm instances a day, I got time for siege that's it, and now I am affected cause hear will be bountiful but I can't get it because no ABLs.

Now I understand the "Purists" arguments if guild team work, but I'm a Dad, then a Manager, then a RoM player, I don't have that kind of time which is why I play RoM and not a P2P.

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Wednesday, June 13th 2012, 12:05am

regentego, I would really appreciate if you could do as LadyMacV proposed and find back to topic ;)

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Wednesday, June 13th 2012, 2:08am

So from the posts here from the CMs, it seemeth that the changes in the IS haver LESS ter do wit the players an MORE ter do wit makin their jobs easier (an less likely ter make mistakes, which they are often called out on). When do the players get such consideration? Lemme rephrase that. When do the CUSTOMERS get such consideration? When twill there be changes in the IS fer THE CUSTOMER benefit?


Also, since our IS now tis the same as the EU, are the US servers gonner be ignored even more than they already be?

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Wednesday, June 13th 2012, 3:49am

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Honestly, even as an OKie, I think this is a good move and about time and no you are not EU, and they are not US, but we are one GAME.

To some degrees, this might seem hard, on other parts it will make things easier ;)

We had for quite some time situations that got my brain frazzled, which promo where, what offer when. We need to remember what we are, one Runes of Magic with one Publisher behind. It will be a bit of a hump for a while and i totally understand your intentions and sorrows, but RoM is a strong game with ONE strong community, no matter how many servers we have.

so tell them to get the US servers in on the browser version. I'm all for new life on our slowly dying servers, especially mine: Grimdal!

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Thursday, June 14th 2012, 11:13pm

Not the first time this has happened on the US servers - its not the end of the world. Though it will take time to get used to the change.

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Thursday, June 14th 2012, 11:31pm

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so tell them to get the US servers in on the browser version. I'm all for new life on our slowly dying servers, especially mine: Grimdal!


How's Grimdal slowly dying? It's already dead. Those of you who don't want to play on a dead server, go +1 my PvP server merge suggestion.

Back on topic: Yay ! ABLs got removed =]

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:26am

Look everyone the fact that ABL's are gone for good hasn't been proven....The fact that they will become extremely scarce is a reality.
I'm not gonna go into how many games I've played or how uber I am or am not Blah Blah Blah. I am sick and tired of all this uberness from everyone about how special you are. (You get that praise from your mommy not this community.) Heck I was wiping my tushy in a jungle latrine before most of you were born.

The fact is I am new to ROM so to speak and I'm leveling well and working my butt off to have what I need. I have 4 purples from HoS and am trying to get the rest. I am a member of an extremely helpful group of guildies ( Disturbed ) and I care for everyone that chooses to game.

But the bottom line is ABL's removed from the shop after the community has grown dependent on them ( or what ever else you wanna call it ) is completely wrong. PERIOD!

I just went thru 2 games that went completely belly up and shut down and 1 of them was a high end Gpot game. Why, Because the developers and the hosts began there stand offish crap with each other and in the process lost complete touch with the community....POOF......Game Gone.

I know I will now be told this and told that and others will flame this and flame that.....Big fat hairy deal. I have my big boy panties on.

Until a developer, (not a GM, CM, or Moderator) gets on here and says this is what were gonna do then bularky.....The posts will all just be opinions....Just like another part of our anatomy we all have. I'm sorry folks that is just the cold hard facts.

I have all the respect in the world for both sides of the fence including Froggy and especially Lady and Dio for trying to keep a thread on track that could benefit us all if done correctly.
But I will just leave it at this for all those that want to flame and act like children....

Post respectfully about what we want or get the (I have a potty mouth) out.

That 1 line above should be word for word in the forum rules.

And that is my 1 rubies worth.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 1:47am

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EDIT, to respect LadyM, I think this will have terrible ramifications on the PvE servers, I'm a money vs. Time guy, I have far more money then time, and I buy gear often in the AH cause I don't have 6 hours to farm instances a day, I got time for siege that's it, and now I am affected cause hear will be bountiful but I can't get it because no ABLs.

Now I understand the "Purists" arguments if guild team work, but I'm a Dad, then a Manager, then a RoM player, I don't have that kind of time which is why I play RoM and not a P2P.


This is why Bind on Equip is as close to a perfect fix for the majority of the playerbase as we're going to get.

There are a lot of players who simply don't have time to farm an instance for however long it takes to get the gear they need to drop. They're perfectly willing to pay someone a lot of in-game gold (or use that gold to get diamonds, if they can),or just pay diamonds so that they can take the time to go run the content they want with the time they do have.

Removing the ABL is only half the equation. Now they need to take the next step, make themselves a lot of $$, and reformat the system so that gear drops Bind on Equip.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 11:47am

Quoted from "Dionaea;536715"

Honestly, even as an OKie, I think this is a good move and about time and no you are not EU, and they are not US, but we are one GAME.

To some degrees, this might seem hard, on other parts it will make things easier ;)

We had for quite some time situations that got my brain frazzled, which promo where, what offer when. We need to remember what we are, one Runes of Magic with one Publisher behind. It will be a bit of a hump for a while and i totally understand your intentions and sorrows, but RoM is a strong game with ONE strong community, no matter how many servers we have.

Well then if we are one GAME as you put it then give us the diamond vendors and score for more program in the US....What? you Cant? Then give us back our ABL's and other items you took away!!! ....or if ABL's aren't coming back then Bind On Equip everything!

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:57pm

Quoted from "LadyMacV;537934"

This is why Bind on Equip is as close to a perfect fix for the majority of the playerbase as we're going to get.

There are a lot of players who simply don't have time to farm an instance for however long it takes to get the gear they need to drop. They're perfectly willing to pay someone a lot of in-game gold (or use that gold to get diamonds, if they can),or just pay diamonds so that they can take the time to go run the content they want with the time they do have.

Removing the ABL is only half the equation. Now they need to take the next step, make themselves a lot of $$, and reformat the system so that gear drops Bind on Equip.

I'm sorry to disagree. I
hink abls should be back at a reduced cost. BUT I think there should still be a cost in unbinding gear. There has to be a cost to making money. Without that inflation occurs.bring abls back frogster. Please communicate to us that you see our comments and concerns. Let us know you hear us and that you are working on a solution.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 1:06pm

I hope they never sell abl's again. All it does is allow the people already in a position of power (endgamers) to have more power. You buy dias and sell the endgamer 10 abls, only to turn around and buy the gear the abl's were for. Dont ever sell abl's again. Now, the endgamers can still sell you endgame stats, but at a reasonable price, because they want you to go the lazy route rather than pull 5 int/def to 1 one int/matk stat from mems. This is a smart move to drive prices down. NOW add in a decent goldsink (owenstein with legit items) and we are good to go. OR activate the diamond npc's.....
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 1:21pm

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I hope they never sell abl's again. All it does is allow the people already in a position of power (endgamers) to have more power. You buy dias and sell the endgamer 10 abls, only to turn around and buy the gear the abl's were for. Dont ever sell abl's again. Now, the endgamers can still sell you endgame stats, but at a reasonable price, because they want you to go the lazy route rather than pull 5 int/def to 1 one int/matk stat from mems. This is a smart move to drive prices down. NOW add in a decent goldsink (owenstein with legit items) and we are good to go. OR activate the diamond npc's.....

I think you have had similar poor experiences to tmb. This is not the. Normal. Fabdrieth helped me out when I restarted about 2 years ago and she would do it again today. Most guilds are willing to help people out. That is after all the point.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 1:25pm

Lmfao. My alt on Artemis had "friends" in the higher level guilds that would "make me deals" 30-40 mil MY abl? It IS the norm. This game isnt meant to help people. Helping people means you now have to possibly buy diamonds because you just helped another guild to farm tosh. Now you have competition. Competition= low prices. Seen any low prices lately? I havent....
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 3:21pm

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I'm sorry to disagree. I
hink abls should be back at a reduced cost. BUT I think there should still be a cost in unbinding gear. There has to be a cost to making money. Without that inflation occurs.bring abls back frogster. Please communicate to us that you see our comments and concerns. Let us know you hear us and that you are working on a solution.


There is a cost attached to it. Plussing, drilling, and runing the gear in and of itself (especially with vendor jewels) winds up costing a fortune in gold when you're doing it every 5-10 levels.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 3:27pm

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Lmfao. My alt on Artemis had "friends" in the higher level guilds that would "make me deals" 30-40 mil MY abl? It IS the norm. This game isnt meant to help people. Helping people means you now have to possibly buy diamonds because you just helped another guild to farm tosh. Now you have competition. Competition= low prices. Seen any low prices lately? I havent....


Is your server unfamiliar with the concept of group selling gear drops? Hard to compete if the one selling the gear is sharing the proceeds with the group, regardless of who is in it.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 4:15pm

Im talking guild vs guild. Any guild that let people ninja like that i wouldnt be apart of very long. As stated in another thread, how long were the fury crossbows withheld from others during chapter 3? I think it is common sense to help those in your guild, so that point is kind of moot to even bring up.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 4:26pm

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There is a cost attached to it. Plussing, drilling, and runing the gear in and of itself (especially with vendor jewels) winds up costing a fortune in gold when you're doing it every 5-10 levels.


If you drill and plus etc... But that has nothing to do with the abl. The act of getting an item from an instance, unbinding it is making money from nothing. I realize that the act of running the instance could equate to labor and therefore be a form of value added. But the argument that your job(labor from the run) is playing a video game would still lead to inflation. The abl for the purposes of generating income should cost something to keep stability between p2players and f2players. Otherwise your demand for players paying , ie diamonds would lower the value of diamonds thereby lowering the incentive to buy diamonds.