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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:01pm

ABL's in the Aftermath of Ch5

This was posted by the creator of the other thread titled "ABL":

"The point I'm trying to make in here is that they'd make more "cents" without the ABL's than they do with them. They'd also net a larger player base, which is desperately needed.
Less ABL's needing to be bought means more plussers, drillers, runes, and puris being bought."

Look: the ABL's are gone from the item shop now, and this actually does look like a smart move. Sure, it will take some adjusting for people, but this is a great thing to do. This is EXACTLY how it was in Chapter 3 (RoM's most successful chapter yet). People have to get out and get their own gear and work on loving and working their own gear (meaning, like said previously, they will buy plussers and drillers and runes and puris instead of only being able to unbind the gear. This means being able to do more stuff (after of course, getting the gear yourself).

Some people want to go the lazy route and just buy the gear and wear it and go. But that's not how the game was meant to be played, and that's not what made it number 1. That's what made it easy.

Getting people out there and forming parties to survive to get gear (with full parties like all of the instances are meant to be played, not just with two twinked out players with gear they BOUGHT from the item shop) not only encourages guilds to be formed but also encourages more and more players to play. Why play an mmo if you are going to quest alone? This will encourage more PUG's.

Someone mentioned that all gear should drop bind on equip. That solves absolutely nothing. That only serves to lower gear prices, making laziness a cheaper class to pick up. People need to get out and do things for themselves, because the sense of accomplishment is that much greater and is most people's reason for staying. Invest a ton of time working to get your gear and get it good? You won't want to leave. Invest some money to buy some gear and play an end-game instance? Woopty, you're gone in a month. Having everything bind-on-equip just makes it so you have to buy a regular bind lifter to unbind things and give them to other people, as opposed to the previous advanced bind lifter.

The game is in its perfect time to be revived; most of the old players are pissed off (some are happy), but not many are playing anyways. This is how Chapter 3 started. If there was promotion done on this chapter outside of the webpage, an entirely new playerbase could be formed, and that's what this game needs to be revived. When all of the new players in chapter 3 started, they joined the game with how it was then. They didn't know how it had changed, they just saw it for what it was. And that's what would happen now.

So please, promote your game on websites and other places. Get a chapter 5 boxed set in stores, because now is the perfect time to get new players to join. A time of change and renewal.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:29pm

No, it's not active enough for everyone to earn their own gear. Not enough people want to do this, and that's not what their market should be considering 90% of the players are opposed to this exact idea, including myself.

As it stands now, this game is dead weight. It's still alive, it's just not going anywhere.

Without advance bind lifters and the access to +12 jewels, there isn't any progress for end gamers to make from 70 to 72.

We can't sell the gear to make money without ABL's.
Without people buying gear, we can't sell stats to them since they don't need it, or won't be able to eventually when the market dries from the lack of gear.
Without money, we're forced to put money into the game to get what we need to do the runs, such as golden hammers or puris..
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We don't do runs, no money output or input. Why bother playing at that point?


You can get your own gear and stats though.
To get it, you'd need to buy those golden hammers, potions...with the money you get from where? Grinding? Shouldn't be forced into that. But I'll give it to you.
Once you get that gear though, you will need to stat it and plus it...statting you just start 3 lines up from this line...
Plussing an item though, you'll need to buy those diamonds and such. Whether by gold or buying them yourself. Good luck with getting to 12 with those gashas and under $500...per item....or grinding all the gold to buy that amount of diamonds.



I guess the new players could get used to this type of game play though. But they wouldn't stay after 90% of the current community is QQ'ing over these changes.


Also, there are like 954043 threads on this subject. No need for more.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:33pm

I'm sure you mean well with this post but I think your logic is a little off the mark. I have no idea where you come up with the "Idea" that Chapter III was so Epic. CH3 was Runes of Scouts and scouts were the ones burning bosses and selling all the gear. This game is and always will be about the few elite that can run the instances that drop the end game gear. Those that can manage to drop the bosses are the ones that the rest of the community depend on for gear. Without ABLs they can't sell any drops, If they can't sell drops progression stagnates.

New players are for lack of a better word screwed, They have to start a new toon.......learn their class and then find away to gear up for ToSH in order to even consider the Ch 5 content. I don't know how new players are going to Plus/Drill/Stat gear if there are no ABLs to unbind fresh drops. Because New players are not going to be running end game content any time soon.

As it is now People are vendoring HoS and such gear now because it is not worth an ABL considering they are not always available now.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:37pm

Quoted from "squirrlee;538104"

I'm sure you mean well with this post but I think your logic is a little off the mark. I have no idea where you come up with the "Idea" that Chapter III was so Epic.

Being as it had the highest playerbase the game has ever seen, that is where I am getting my "idea"
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:38pm

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As it is now People are vendoring HoS and such gear now because it is not worth an ABL considering they are not always available now.

And that's exactly how it used to be. Had an awesome, statted, plussed piece of gear? You shed a tear as you gave it to the vendor.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:40pm

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And that's exactly how it used to be. Had an awesome, statted, plussed piece of gear? You shed a tear as you gave it to the vendor.


That never happened.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:41pm

Quoted from "CharlieBananas;538101"

I guess the new players could get used to this type of game play though. But they wouldn't stay after 90% of the current community is QQ'ing over these changes.

You obviously did not play during the time I am talking about, because this is what happened before. The community was in disarray, but with promotion a new playerbase was brought in and the game thrived to see the largest playerbase it ever brought in: in chapter 3. People did have to grind for things that they wanted, and they did so without complaints. You still have the means to plus gear, hammer gear, stat gear, etc. You cannot plus it as high ALL THE TIME like chapter four has made us accustomed to. We used to only be able to plus to 6 before as well, and plus 12 was a rare thing, which is how it looks to be again. Plus 12 will be given out on special events, which gives people something to look forward to rather than the ridiculous +16 we saw in chapter 4. Chapter 3 had a lot of parties and people figuring out how to stat and plus. Chapter 4 had a lot of people buying advanced bind lifters and buying statted gear from the auction house. It was a chapter of leftovers, and this new chapter seeks to reverse the tragic economy that the previous one caused.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:42pm

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That never happened.

Then you have not been here for that long, because yes, that is how it used to be. The real old players know that.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:43pm

I am all for not having abl's...ever. Advanced jewels need to be back in some other form than gasha's. OR make the fail rate go away. Im not gambling TWICE on one thing. Just because EU had it this way doesnt mean it is the best way. Some thing the u.s. servers had, could bring more profit to the eu side as well. And while we are making the u.s. side the same as EU, when do you plan on activating the diamond npc's frogster? Honestly, I sometimes thnk they just want to get rid of the u.s. side. Actions speak louder than words?
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:44pm

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I am all for not having abl's...ever. Advanced jewels need to be back in some other form than gasha's. OR make the fail rate go away. Im not gambling TWICE on one thing. Just because EU had it this way doesnt mean it is the best way. Some thing the u.s. servers had, could bring more profit to the eu side as well. And while we are making the u.s. side the same as EU, when do you plan on activating the diamond npc's frogster? Honestly, I sometimes thnk they just want to get rid of the u.s. side. Actions speak louder than words?
I agree advanced jewels should at least be purchasable with rubies, or some other way. I mean I guess you can get them from vendors but that hardly counts. XD
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:45pm

CM... Why is there a new thread about something that has one (or two or three or four) going already on this topic?

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:45pm

Can you give me an example of when you vendored gear that was statted near end game? I'd really love to hear this thrilling story.

edit; also, been playing since 55 cap, before your "glory days" were ever there.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:46pm

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Being as it had the highest playerbase the game has ever seen, that is where I am getting my "idea"



Chapter 3? New game now! New cash shop now!
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:49pm

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Can you give me an example of when you vendored gear that was statted near end game? I'd really love to hear this thrilling story.

edit; also, been playing since 55 cap, before your "glory days" were ever there.

Hmm let's see, back when you COULDN'T unbind gear, so you either kept it in your bank to stare at or vendored it to make room.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:50pm

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Chapter 3? New game now! New cash shop now!

Make fun all you want, it worked. :P
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:51pm

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Hmm let's see, back when you COULDN'T unbind gear, so you either kept it in your bank to stare at or vendored it to make room.


Back when gear didn't cost $100 to make. Oh, ok. I understand.

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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:52pm

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Make fun all you want, it worked. :P


No "fun" intended, just fact..
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:52pm

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Back when gear didn't cost $100 to make. Oh, ok. I understand.

And, thanks to the "new cash shop" (like chapter 3) it won't take that much to make anymore either; prices are cheaper than they used to be and things the ruined our economy like the ABL are no longer purchasable.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:53pm

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No "fun" intended, just fact..

Yes, fact that it had the highest playerbase of any chapter.
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Friday, June 15th 2012, 12:54pm

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And, thanks to the "new cash shop" (like chapter 3) it won't take that much to make anymore either; prices are cheaper than they used to be and things the ruined our economy like the ABL are no longer purchasable.


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You can get your own gear and stats though.
To get it, you'd need to buy those golden hammers, potions...with the money you get from where? Grinding? Shouldn't be forced into that. But I'll give it to you.
Once you get that gear though, you will need to stat it and plus it...statting you just start 3 lines up from this line...
Plussing an item though, you'll need to buy those diamonds and such. Whether by gold or buying them yourself. Good luck with getting to 12 with those gashas and under $500...per item....or grinding all the gold to buy that amount of diamonds.


I already provided info for this though.