Runes of Magic US / AU

Fact is, regular price has always been a rip off. I don't know anyone that ever bought diamonds when there wasn't a diamond sale. And then we all just held onto our diamonds until the items we wanted went on sale...because the non-sale price of items, too, was ridiculous, for the amount of diamonds you get per dollar.

I agree, the rate should be $15 or $20 for 1k diamonds, especially if they're going to do away with regular dia sales. Puris being lowered = slightly cheaper than the sale price per puri back before I quit...but if you're not able to buy diamonds cheaper, that price reduction is meaningless. It's not a reduction at all, really, if we have to buy diamonds at full price. They would have to cut item prices in the CS by much more if they wanted to make up the difference...and even gearing with double dias at old prices was horrifically expensive. I don't get how taking away diamond sales and raising prices of certain things (in some cases, massive price increase) is going to make people want to buy more.

Luckily I still have around 90 puris and some other gear mod items stashed on my priest, but I certainly won't be putting a cent into this game. I had enough of dropping a hundred dollars a month last time around, and prices are higher now. Combine that with the fact that you no longer get rubies for sale items...GG, Frogster. You've finally alienated your paying playerbase.

To be honest, instead of having double diamond sales, I would much rather have sales on item shop items. That is to say, I wouldn't mind buying diamonds at full price if $20 of diamonds could get me a character geared to my satisfaction (75% modded with Castle and up stats). That and permanent mount prices are absurdly high. I'm not a particularly picky player, I am fine with having "lame"/"useless" stats and a tier 7-8 weapon. I know I cannot and never have been able to afford to pay for even one of my characters to be "endgame". I do not want to pay $6 per mount per character I have. Unlike some players, I have a budget and what little I have left over is spent on leisure activities. RoM is one of my favorite games out there, but I can't afford more than I have. Therefore, RoM will never take any money from me that I wouldn't already be planning on spending with them, regardless of double diamonds. Instead of making these short sales where players need to flat out leave the game to go get diamonds, why not make it convenient to us by making discounts on items all across the shop and letting us use our diamonds as we wish to spend them? I've bought Gashas in the past and nobody likes their outcome. Nobody. If you gave us a sort of coin toss item or maybe even a 6 sided die item for probability, you'd see us to be very happy with those chance at items. I'm not an economics or marketing professional or even an amateur one, I won't even begin to try to understand business like this. I do know what would make me happier to spend $20 or more in game though and I hope this thread is really being read by those in power at Frogster.

Quoted from "regentego;538622"

Well let's look at the cost to be average in rom, 6 puris x 15 pieces of gear $70, 4 rune slots x 15 $60, plussing to +6 x15 $45-60.

Plussing fails alot, so that number can fluctuate. So for the low price of $170 you can run RT/KT/SC. That is not including pots, mounts, AT charges, runes, +12, +16, and the list goes on and on. Want to be average in chapter 5, you got $300?

And that number also doesn't include selling enough diamonds to be able to get the stats to stat that gear that you also need diamonds to buy... oh wait.. nevermind cause abl's aren't in the item shop anymore. You're screwed!

Quoted from "regentego;538626"

Yup, and I started a dwarf, then thought about pets and was like FTW, I can't afford a pet, let alone gear for a dwarf! Chapter 5 dwarfs to become endgame $700-$1000.

Ya I was going to make a dwarf priests, because I just love short priests. But no way in hell I was going to go through all that again, and now that ABL's aren't in the item shop... definitely not. Couldn't even unbind and move my gear if I wanted to. f

It's a shame the direction the IS went in the past has dictated the overall economy and drastic measures to try to correct it. I am lucky I have met some great friends and guildies here or I really don't know if I would have stayed. If people are content to run a toon up to around 50 then start a new one...(Rinse / Repeat) then I really don't see how a person can survive happily. There isn't enough groups out there to successfully run instances, and there surely isn't enough GOOD economic competition to make the economy affordable. It seems that everyone that has trillions of gold and constant availability of diamonds are completely happy to continue to wreck the economy. I am not trying to flame anyone, I cannot blame the masses for placing or selling things with astronomical prices. It is what the game has come too. Its no longer F2P, or P2W....It's a very expensive P2P. Froggy I feel will change this and change that to try to bring the economy under control...But Nothing short of a server wipe and a reset start will change the direction it has gone.....The damage is already done. Unless they figure out how to bring all the masses back to stimulate the dying economy.

Unfortunately yes I will buy diamonds at the reg rate in small amounts. I want to play and need to in order to keep up. Currently stuck around lvl 55 trying to get all my gear to move on.

Quoted from "Sarcus;538632"

It's a shame the direction the IS went in the past has dictated the overall economy and drastic measures to try to correct it. I am lucky I have met some great friends and guildies here or I really don't know if I would have stayed. If people are content to run a toon up to around 50 then start a new one...(Rinse / Repeat) then I really don't see how a person can survive happily. There isn't enough groups out there to successfully run instances, and there surely isn't enough GOOD economic competition to make the economy affordable. It seems that everyone that has trillions of gold and constant availability of diamonds are completely happy to continue to wreck the economy. I am not trying to flame anyone, I cannot blame the masses for placing or selling things with astronomical prices. It is what the game has come too. Its no longer F2P, or P2W....It's a very expensive P2P. Froggy I feel will change this and change that to try to bring the economy under control...But Nothing short of a server wipe and a reset start will change the direction it has gone.....The damage is already done. Unless they figure out how to bring all the masses back to stimulate the dying economy.

Unfortunately yes I will buy diamonds at the reg rate in small amounts. I want to play and need to in order to keep up. Currently stuck around lvl 55 trying to get all my gear to move on.

I doubt they could bring the masses back no matter what was done. To make people completely quit it took a lot of bad decisions on the part of Frogster in general. The exodus actually started mid chapter 3, and bad decision after bad decision on Frogsters part just kept the players leaving.
It's not to late for them to fix it.....but the worst part is they won't.
Their original business model doesn't work anymore and the recent adjustments don't do anything to address the root cause, and that is you can't keep increasing the prices on items the higher the level of toon. Eventually, which is happening now, you can't justify spending $500 + to gear a toon in equipment that is outdated in months.
People don't buy regular priced diamonds, if they do their nuts. If 99% of the population says regular priced diamonds aren't worth the money....why on earth doesn't Frogster listen to that? They must have sales charts to work with.
The recent CS / diamond sales change is a perfect example of putting lipstick on a pig.....it's still a pig.
They have failed miserably in giving the CS accurate value compared to game play for anything above lvl 55, when the gearing process really starts.

To save this game they would need to
A. Reduce prices in the CS....by a lot !
- Break the CS items into categories that reflect the players level and price accordingly.
- Make items that are a necessity affordable for the general population, not the elite rich only.
B. Increase the amount of diamonds per dollar (regular priced)
C. Increase the value of the sales they do have (items and diamonds both & better items)
D. Make gearing lower level toons affordable (lvl 50-60)
E. Be more creative with the content (find a way to get away from the rinse and repeat)
F. Better customer service (service that listens to majority of the population)Create a Frogster survey of questions that find the issues players have. Give them diamonds or gold for completing the survey. Then for gods sakes make progress in addressing the issues.
G. Fix the main reason players stay....SIEGE! 3 years of Beta is inexcusable.

It's really hard to say if the company actually has the knowledge to address any of these issues given the track record over the last 3.5 years.
Affordability moves more product...in this case Diamonds. If Frogster cannot see that all they have to do is look at Wal-mart and see the business model of the century.

Am I the only one that thinks this game died when chapter 3 started? Back when HOTO and HOS were end game, seems to have been when it was most enjoyable, and not as expensive.

Quoted from "regentego;538441"

Please note this is not a flame thread. This is feedback, personal feelings are welcome but not anger unadulterated.

1. My question, given we know frogster's Intentions are fewer diamond sales, will you buy diamonds at normal price?

Nope, never. The current "norm" dia packages are *too* expensive for what is given in return. Double what we get, and we'll talk. Current $$$/dia exchange is too damn expensive.

Quoted from "regentego;538441"

2. Do you feel the price decreases other then the Puri were enough to buy diamonds at regular price.

Nope, although very nice at fooling the majority of the dia buying player base. "We'll reduce the price of these items by a couple dias...but when you buy from sales, you get 0 rubies, and on top of that, we raised the price on virtually everything in the ruby shop." Nice try Froggy.

Quoted from "Drigr;538655"

Am I the only one that thinks this game died when chapter 3 started? Back when HOTO and HOS were end game, seems to have been when it was most enjoyable, and not as expensive.

I believe the most left when they nerfed scouts after people spent hundreds if not thousands on a toon. They left knowing it will and can happen again. Chances you take when you play FOTM
I myself also geared a scout because our guild needed DPS for runs. Much of the gears just went on a rogue after that (which couldn't get in runs during scoutburn days) Go figure

This game especially after 3 years should only cost 10$ a month, 20$ at the most to play comfortably. Thats hardly any diamonds however. You get hardly anything for 20$

Quoted from "bratty;538685"

I believe the most left when they nerfed scouts after people spent hundreds if not thousands on a toon. They left knowing it will and can happen again. Chances you take when you play FOTM
I myself also geared a scout because our guild needed DPS for runs. Much of the gears just went on a rogue after that (which couldn't get in runs during scoutburn days) Go figure

This game especially after 3 years should only cost 10$ a month, 20$ at the most to play comfortably. Thats hardly any diamonds however. You get hardly anything for 20$

Which is why I moved to a P2P game that costs less than 20$. I looked at my bank statement after a month of returning to RoM and trying to get to end game. Let's just say, I could've paid my sub fee for 2 years, as well as bought any expansions released in that time, and probably still had enough left over to treat my family to dinner. And that was money I spent just to try and get RT/GCH ready, not even ToSH..

The point is that we really shouldn't need to pay out more than $20 a month to get to end game. I really like the idea of this game but it's just falling apart without control over development and pricing. This game is becoming less appealing as it really isn't fun to pay out a hundred dollars to get a piece of gear that is decent. I do not like handing over my money for such little merit. I have become very irate with the way we are being and have been treated. I know it is a company and they need money so they can support the workers/servers/etc. and that we are paying their wages essentially, but they need to realize they just lost a huge chunk of their paying player base. I am not end game, I will never be with prices so absurd. I can no longer afford a F2P game, you have lost me as a paying customer.

BTW, Puries are 400 tokens in the Token shop. This means I can get a Purie once every 4 days. If it takes 4 days for 1 Purie, it takes 24 days to get 6 Puries which is enough to mod 1 piece of armor. This is more reasonable for us, but again, isn't very time effective for us as it will take about 1 year to fully mod all 15 pieces of equipment without any diamonds.

When it costs 299 Diamonds for a mount, you're asking me to spend $12 (Normal Dias) or $6 (Double Dias) for a mount that is only usable on 1 of my characters. Spending $12 is absurd for one item.

If this keeps going the way it has been, I'm probably going to leave the game for good. It's not fun to do dailies and gripe about pricing. It's not fun to pay hundreds of dollars to have 1 good item. It's not fun to be milked for all I've got. I don't enjoy coming online to a player base that is unhappy about the game. Please, for the last time Frogster, look at your charts and realize things are going down because it's just not affordable.