Runes of Magic US / AU

agreed. dwarf zone is borked with all kinds of sys....names. caused me to end up with a warlock/ch cuz no label on trainer. aaaannd the elites for that combo are broke too. cant get them.

Localization always has initial issues. Does no one remember guessing what the quests around Grafu Castle and Mycenya City actually meant since they would not say?

Quest design... well, some of it can use improvement, yeah. A lot of them are tricky to do, either because of the unclear explanations, questionable mechanics or other factors. None of the chain ones are that way, though, that I could see.

And there are creative solutions to some of the tricky quests - stuns, DOTs, mob on mob combat, etc. Hard to say if those were intended or not.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;539064"

Localization always has initial issues. Does no one remember guessing what the quests around Grafu Castle and Mycenya City actually meant since they would not say?

Quest design... well, some of it can use improvement, yeah. A lot of them are tricky to do, either because of the unclear explanations, questionable mechanics or other factors. None of the chain ones are that way, though, that I could see.

And there are creative solutions to some of the tricky quests - stuns, DOTs, mob on mob combat, etc. Hard to say if those were intended or not.

The excuses given to rom needs to stop. This patch was and still is poor. It is full of bugs, bad quests, unnamed mobs and npcs. Bottom line is they thru this patch together, gutted the item shop, did little to no testing and are advertising like its the greatest thing since sliced bread. The only good thing about this patch is they did do a minor improvement on siege and upped the level cap. Even the level cap issue tho is screwed as there is not enough quests to adequalty level a character. Its a failure and the excuses need to be stopped as does any diamond purchasing until things get 100% better.

Quoted from "Uccello;539091"

The excuses given to rom needs to stop. This patch was and still is poor. It is full of bugs, bad quests, unnamed mobs and npcs. Bottom line is they thru this patch together, gutted the item shop, did little to no testing and are advertising like its the greatest thing since sliced bread. The only good thing about this patch is they did do a minor improvement on siege and upped the level cap. Even the level cap issue tho is screwed as there is not enough quests to adequalty level a character. Its a failure and the excuses need to be stopped as does any diamond purchasing until things get 100% better.

Perhaps you have limited familiarity with English, but nothing in the message or in this thread has anything to do with item shop, diamonds or level cap. There are plenty of other places for generic useless fail whining, this thread is about localization issues and quest design.

And the general point that you quoted and then ignored is that localization issues are on par with Ch4 release, which was also occasionally prone to incomplete translation issues. Quest design is, IMO, weaker than Ch3 or 4. On the other hand, there is a greater variety of quests that are different than standard "kill x" or "gather x" ones, and when you try to deviate from same old stuff, you get mixed results.

I think the lion's share of the blame for poor QC can be laid at Runewaker's door. The rest of it, within limits, can be dined on by Frogster. But...

I've not yet explored the Ancient Kingdom of Rohrzan. I've spent a lot more time leveling a little person (currently 30/30/30 Wl/M/Ch, in order of class selection) and yes, there's at least one very difficult to complete quest (the "cup" quest) in the starting zone, as well as issues with the class trainers. Some people playing Champions have had difficulties acquiring the Shield Form skill (I had no problems with that, myself.) I expect the starting area problems will be cleaned up in the next couple of mini-patches.

I do know a little bit, as those who volunteered to stress-test the Chapter IV bits know, how Frogster does their content testing. The new bits, which are mainly end-game level bits, get the bulk of the testing. The lower-level bits don't receive quite as much scrutiny. And there's usually a limited timeframe for testing before the bits are released.

I've also been around for all five Chapters, and I know that each Chapter expansion has had its share of issues, most of which have been modified, fixed, or otherwise corrected in fairly short order. Other issues, especially some in Chapter III, were persistent and very hard for RW to track down. Even then, at least one--the "Autopsy" quest--was apparently impossible for RW to fix in a normal fashion, so it received the "autocomplete" fix. (Guild Siege is a whole other and very complicated subject, so please don't even go there in this thread, okay?)

Excepting issues in the Ancient Kingdom, which I have yet to visit, I think RW has done a pretty good job with the Chapter V expansion. And cut Frogster a bit of slack with this. *They* don't do the game programming.

I agree that they Sysname_(bajillion numbers) is irritating, particularly when you're looking for a specific person/item and that comes up.

They did manage to fix the Adjust the Water Temperature bug, hopefully RW can at least do a bit of content correction come next patch.

There should be a hook in the "resolve number to name" logic that logs every time when resolution fails and returns the SYSxxxx as the name. By the end of the testing, that log should stop growing. But none of them are showstoppers. As I recall, couple quests in Mycenya City in Ch4 had to be done blind because of localization errors. Here it is just inconvenient, not show stoppers.

Localization is done by Frogs, AFAIK, and they have a lot of languages to deal with. I think it is crazy and everyone should speak English, but those French, German, Polish and Russian players disagree for some silly reason. :p

I don't know, I've learned with any foreign MMO you don't sweat the small details. Be mad if it crashes, be mad if they raise prices, but seriously a few typos are no biggie, I get what they mean. I don't get how people get so upset with such small things, fact of life, no one intends to screw up, but we all do it anyway.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;539096"

Perhaps you have limited familiarity with English, but nothing in the message or in this thread has anything to do with item shop, diamonds or level cap. There are plenty of other places for generic useless fail whining, this thread is about localization issues and quest design.

And the general point that you quoted and then ignored is that localization issues are on par with Ch4 release, which was also occasionally prone to incomplete translation issues. Quest design is, IMO, weaker than Ch3 or 4. On the other hand, there is a greater variety of quests that are different than standard "kill x" or "gather x" ones, and when you try to deviate from same old stuff, you get mixed results.

I am curious as to why so many of your postings start with snide or derogatory comments about others whose opinion is different then yours? I was under the impression name calling was frowned upon in the forums. As a suggestion, you will find that people are more likely to objectively consider postings that do not start by demeaning them. If you do this simply to troll others and ensure they disagree with your position then my apologies, please continue on.

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I am curious as to why so many of your postings start with snide or derogatory comments about others whose opinion is different then yours? I was under the impression name calling was frowned upon in the forums. As a suggestion, you will find that people are more likely to objectively consider postings that do not start by demeaning them. If you do this simply to troll others and ensure they disagree with your position then my apologies, please continue on.

I for one am tired of wannabe mods running around making excuses for the poor state of the game. I want to know what makes you even think you are qualified to respond to something I said? Your not. It would help a great deal if people would start calling it like it is, ignore the fan bois and push for a real solution and heaven forbid some honesty from frogster.

Also as far as cutting frogster slack, NO. They are the ones supplying the game. You start splitting hairs on who is in charge of what and the mess is easily diverted to someone elses doorstep. Just another excuse. Frogster can and needs to start pushing for more solutions within their realm or in the realm of their suppliers. A restaurant does not blame poor quality meat or produce on their supplier when a customer complains, and a customer is not going to go and yell at the supplier. Frogster is responsible, who they need to deal with is their problem.

Quoted from "Thunderous;539133"

I am curious as to why so many of your postings start with snide or derogatory comments about others whose opinion is different then yours? I was under the impression name calling was frowned upon in the forums. As a suggestion, you will find that people are more likely to objectively consider postings that do not start by demeaning them. If you do this simply to troll others and ensure they disagree with your position then my apologies, please continue on.

It is not about difference of opinion, it is about quality. I might disagree with 95% of what ebil writes and think he is completely or partially wrong on most things, but I cant say that his opinion is not well thought out just because I disagree with premises or conclusions. That goes for many other regular posters I disagree with. Likewise, there are many people who I agree with, but I dont think their opinions are well written or supported.

This is discussion forum, which frequently goes from discussion to debate. Debate is not well served when people who are not able to add anything substantive to it keep adding non-substantive stuff. And, of course, that goes on both sides; if I have nothing useful to add to the discussion (which, surprisingly enough, on many subjects I don't), I read it and don't say anything.

Who the hell cares if there are typos in the quests?
Point is - the quests give experience. If you're actually reading each quest and trying to comprehend the storyline, you're wasting your time.

Quoted from "Thunderous;539133"

I am curious as to why so many of your postings start with snide or derogatory comments about others whose opinion is different then yours? I was under the impression name calling was frowned upon in the forums.

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Unless I misread what 'wiffo said, there was no name-calling going on. Had there been any, it would have been taken care of.

Quoted from "Uccello;539135"

I for one am tired of wannabe mods running around making excuses for the poor state of the game. I want to know what makes you even think you are qualified to respond to something I said? Your not. It would help a great deal if people would start calling it like it is, ignore the fan bois and push for a real solution and heaven forbid some honesty from frogster.

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There's a huge difference between "calling it like it is" [sic] and actually speaking the truth. After all, the former is a matter of perception, the latter is not. Oh, and I'm one of the "mods" around here. I make no "excuses for the poor state of the game". That's not a part of my job. But I do take exception to references about "wannabe mods". And "fanbois", which got snipped from the quote.

There have always, and I do mean always been a number of bugs and problems with every chapter expansion. Fortunately, the community, along with Frogster's own QA people, have pointed out and forwarded problem reports to Runewaker so they can be fixed or corrected in a relatively timely manner. Again, "timely" is a matter of perception. I'm not a programmer, but I can imagine the amount and depth of eyestrain that a programmer might have to deal with in order to find an error, and related errors, in a large swath of code.

Perhaps it might be good to give RW some time to get a few more things sorted, and wait for them to send along one or more fixit patches for the problems that people have been reporting.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;539096"

Perhaps you have limited familiarity with English,

Quoted from "Kalvan;539154"

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Unless I misread what 'wiffo said, there was no name-calling going on. Had there been any, it would have been taken care of.

Not that that's the only time he's done it. he does it constantly, though that is the first time in this thread. Point being, there was no reason to question his ability to speak English.

Back on Topic: I agree with this thread, I wish there weren't so many bugs and glitches with names and quests.

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Not that that's the only time he's done it. he does it constantly, though that is the first time in this thread. Point being, there was no reason to question his ability to speak English.

Back on Topic: I agree with this thread, I wish there weren't so many bugs and glitches with names and quests.

This thread is about localization errors and quest design. I assumed that comments about item shop, level cap and other unrelated subjects were results of not understanding what he read and not result of deliberately dragging completely unrelated subjects. Doing so deliberately and consciously would be an act of arguing bad faith; doing it by lack of understanding is unfortunate, but less dishonest. So, I gave a benefit of the doubt and assumed it was by mistake. Do I take it correctly that you disagree and accuse him of was deliberate act of bad faith?

Back on topic. Yeah, localization needs works but it always does. I am taking screenshots of the examples I run into and will report them if they not fixed in next patch. I take it, everyone is doing the same, right?

Quoted from "Kalvan;539154"

Oh, and I'm one of the "mods" around here. I make no "excuses for the poor state of the game". That's not a part of my job. But I do take exception to references about "wannabe mods". And "fanbois", which got snipped from the quote.

Uccello isn't calling out the actual mods on making excuses, hes calling out those on the forum who are not mods but will give excuses for frogster in lieu of an actual mod coming in and stating something.

Quoted from "Kalvan;539154"

There have always, and I do mean always been a number of bugs and problems with every chapter expansion. Fortunately, the community, along with Frogster's own QA people, have pointed out and forwarded problem reports to Runewaker so they can be fixed or corrected in a relatively timely manner. Again, "timely" is a matter of perception. I'm not a programmer, but I can imagine the amount and depth of eyestrain that a programmer might have to deal with in order to find an error, and related errors, in a large swath of code.

Perhaps it might be good to give RW some time to get a few more things sorted, and wait for them to send along one or more fixit patches for the problems that people have been reporting.

The problem is we have seen the amount of time relative or not it takes them to supply fixes. Runewaker is a code farm, most likely their biggest issue is that none of the original programmers still work there. Finding bugs is REALLY difficult in code that has been appended thousands of times by different people. We are on frogster's ass because we have no contact to these people and considering the number of issues that went overlooked on frogsters end (even during the livecast) we have a right to be upset. The newest zone has had EVERY class trainer missing translations in what you considered to be the predominant language for the livecast. Dwarves still can't change their class unless they go into their house. If frogster wanted to try and grab new people with an added race and a few classes, shouldn't those items be on their top priority to make sure those things have no glaring issues?

With regards to comments on the item shop, it doesn't matter at this point. It is very apparent that the job we ask of frogster is being neglected and we have no reason to open up our wallets.

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In addition with patches corrupting texture files and whatnot... There exists a multitude of options to do file consistency checks, the existing patcher has one (i've seen it pop up and had to manually download the patch because it doesn't know what to do beyond that) but introducing a better implemented one would vastly decrease the number of texture issues people get after every patch. Considering a game that started out at 8 gigs and ballooned to 18 gigs (3 times the size of RoM's Slimclient) has never had a texture corruption issue after every patch... we tend to know that something is wrong with the publisher/producer

Quoted from "Kalvan;539154"

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Unless I misread what 'wiffo said, there was no name-calling going on. Had there been any, it would have been taken care of.




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There's a huge difference between "calling it like it is" [sic] and actually speaking the truth. After all, the former is a matter of perception, the latter is not. Oh, and I'm one of the "mods" around here. I make no "excuses for the poor state of the game". That's not a part of my job. But I do take exception to references about "wannabe mods". And "fanbois", which got snipped from the quote.

There have always, and I do mean always been a number of bugs and problems with every chapter expansion. Fortunately, the community, along with Frogster's own QA people, have pointed out and forwarded problem reports to Runewaker so they can be fixed or corrected in a relatively timely manner. Again, "timely" is a matter of perception. I'm not a programmer, but I can imagine the amount and depth of eyestrain that a programmer might have to deal with in order to find an error, and related errors, in a large swath of code.

Perhaps it might be good to give RW some time to get a few more things sorted, and wait for them to send along one or more fixit patches for the problems that people have been reporting.

Wow JUST WOW! In that I directly quoted wiffos text I would assume one could figure out who the wannabe mod I was adressing is. Guess not, but you know what they say about assumption.

Timely may very well be a matter of perception. But 6 months or longer to repair bugs may need some glasses to correct that perception.

I am not a programmer either, I hire them, i know what code looks like and I know how it can be to resolve code issues. However if it takes 6 months to find one then you may need to up the level of programmers or improve the coding methods.

And no giving RW time to resolve issues is not ours, as players and customers , problem. As I said that falls on frogster. Give them all the time you want, not like we can hurry it up anyway.

So you keep right on asking for time to adress issues and keeping the troops in line. I will keep filling out the little reports (some well over 6 months old) and commenting as we go.

BTW please apply your edits elsewhere and fairly as well, even when it may mean editing a fan boi.

I forsee this getting the axe soon. Calling Kalvan and the other mods names is a no no.

Rofl. This is a funny forum. I haven't seen anything in this patch that was "OMG. This is ridiculous. I can't believe they even coded this." I don't think people actually realize how hard it is to create a game and make patches and the like. There will always be bugs and always be things that need adjusting when these patches get released. Instead of flaming the forums and the people who are trying to help, Maybe you could be part of the solution instead of the problem. If you see something that isn't right...take the time to document, screen shot, and deliver to Frogster so that way the people in charge of fixing/adjusting the patch contents can do so.

On a side note...If you feel the need to post on the forum for EVERYONE to comment on...You should expect to get some responses that you do not agree with. If you don't want everyone to comment, there is a link on Kalvan's called "contact Support" that will address your issues on a more personal level.