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Friday, June 29th 2012, 7:31am

Reverse The Promo Only ABL Sale or BoE

*Note I'm merely only making this to show someone we all know and love (*cough: m.mania) how to make a proper discussion thread.*

1) Premise: The promotional sale of the advanced bind lift need to be reversed or make it so all gear is Bind On Equip so that people can progress through the instance aspect of the game smoothly and quickly.

2) Support: Now that the Advanced Bind Lift is a promotion sales item only more and more mid level and free to play players are finding it difficult to gear up to run instances. Fact, a great majority of players who invest in the Runes of Magic product are working individual who don't have the time dedicated to farm every instance to be a competitive player in Runes of Magic. Fact, mid level and new players can't and should not have to run every instance to be a competitive player. Fact, end gamers need an incentive to farm instances once they successfully completed it and fully gear and stated up. Whats need is the advanced bind lift aka the oil that kept the game running or gear to drop bind on equip.

3) Support the support: With the advanced bind lift end gamers have that incentive to farm and sell gear to the people who needs it. Mid level and new players aren't stuck anymore without an efficient means for gearing up instance wise. The diamond investors who don't have the time dedicated to play will be able to make the most of their Runes of Magic experience with what little free time they have available. Finally the game can progress a bit smoother than it have since the advanced bind lift have become a promo item only.

4) Conclusion: By making the advanced bind lift a promo item the instance progression phase of the game was seriously hindered if not taken a fatal slow death blow. Now more than ever players will struggle to progress instance wise, end gamers will get bored, and free to play crowed will have very little chance to run anything past zs, and all those working individuals will have less reasons to invest in the Runes of Magic Product. However, if you bring back the advanced bind lift as regular item shop item or make gear bind on equip the game will become once again more productive for all.

And that m.mania or anyone for that matter is how to make a discussion thread.

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Friday, June 29th 2012, 7:41am

What's with this fixation you have with Mr Mania? Should he be worried?
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 7:54am

Quoted from "GarryL;542138"

What's with this fixation you have with Mr Mania? Should he be worried?


Sorry but Musicmania reminds me of Soliss in a way lol.... Hey Musicmania are you a girl or boy if your a girl are you cute?

But really I think Musicmania have some valid points in his or her threads and I hate to see it go down in flames due to him or her not knowing how to make a decent initial thread opener like myself *pat self on back*

But at the same time its not just limited to Musicmania only

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Friday, June 29th 2012, 8:04am

If MM wasn't worried before, he/she should be now...
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 8:25am

I agree with this, end-gamers basically have no reason to run instances, all they will do is play arena or goto other games. And since your arena isn't the best, they will most likely head off to other games.
Sure you can say that they can just hold on to this gear till abls come out, but that will make gear wayyyy over-priced and destroy the economy.

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Friday, June 29th 2012, 8:56am

I've already said this (What the OP said) about the ebb and flow of gear due to ABL's and promos. I've been there...I've seen it, I could have gotten the T-shirt but it was too expensive. The Get your own gear (GYoG) mantra some have been spouting is flawed because the game has far too many instances to gear up through now. An if end-game has no replay value to those that have done it you loose player base. What is the point of running an instance repeatedly if you can't do anything with the loot besides pass on it so others can aquire it? That takes the reward out of the risk and cost of doing it.

The hoarding of items and waiting for a promotion causes bordom and inflation when said items (ABLs) are put on sale. I recall the frustration of waiting for gear to be placed on the AH.....I also recall the frustration of the prices when it finally did. All I could do was farm gold and wait......and wait...then I was too gold broke to even do anything with the gear once I got it. It eventually wore me down and I hardly play any more and I quit buying Dias after the "Mighty Shield" patch because Knights were told there would be further "Balance" After the Mighty Shield......I guess that is the "Dwarf Patch".
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 8:57am

Oh lord, here we go again.

Point 1) It makes absolutely no sense to change everything to bind-on-equip. That defeats the entire purpose of removing the ABL's in the first place. That would also require Runewaker to go through every single item ever made in the game to make sure it is changed to Bind on Equip. Not happening, nor is it worth it.

Point 2) More and more mid levels are finding it harder to gear...Well it's about freaking time! The game should be about, oh I don't know, the game, not the freaking auction house. One way to get your players to actually play the game is to give them no other choice. The players will adjust, they did before.

Point 3) End gamers should have more to do than simply farming gear, just cuz they can, to sell it for insane prices, just cuz they can. If you're having trouble gearing up for an instance, it probably, I may be wrong here, means you aren't ready for that instance. Maybe try taking a step before that instance and getting gear from the one before it? Meh, maybe that's just crazy talk, who actually wants to work for something in a game? It should only be about buying gear so you can kill a boss in one hit. Yeah, sounds uber fun to me.

Point 4) Were you around before Chapter 4 at all? Because this is how it was before, and people did just fine. People actually got off their butts and went into instances with full groups to gear up, then did the same thing in the next instance. It would be nice to see people actually do the instances and content in the game instead of buy some gear, do the cheat zone CoO, and call themselves end-gamers.

This mentality of "I can't buy it so I can't do it" is really quite annoying and it's about time this stopped.

Frogster is finally showing they are trying to fix our severely broken and auction-house-run economy and get things back to a more enjoyable time, and what do you do? Whine and complain that it's too hard. Well the difficulty of this game is what attracted people in the first place.

The easiness and auction-house-driven world of Chapter 4 is what drew in some new players that all left when they became "end-game" and had nothing to do nor any pride in their character that they basically paid to make.

Actually working on your character, building it up from level 1 through trials and struggles makes for a much more meaningful end-game and leveling process.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:28am

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How many times are you going to run something that has no reward or point for you? How many people are you going to drag through an instance (I'm not talking about HoS, ZS or HoDL) so they can gear up? How many hammers, potions, foods and such are you going to burn up to gear others with nothing to show for it? Not many because you will run out of gold to do it rather quickly. I won't even try to guess how much Real money it could cost if you have to use dias or adventure packs to do it. Are you endgame? Or are you still trying to reach end game and hope this will help you get there because maybe you will be "ESCORTED" on gear runs?

You know what......I'm not endgame and I have no illusions that I will ever get there because I have a job....yes a real job in the real world and I'm not dumping massive money into this game or any as a mater of fact because it's pointless with the amount of time I have to "play". I'm not going to work at my real job an come home and work more in RoM just because you feel I should. I can't camp RoM waiting for a Happy hour sale or tell my boss I need to leave early so I can get a RoM/Zeevex card because it's Happy hour in RoM today. It's just not worth the cost that it takes considering the time I have to make that cost effective. I might as well take that "Diamond money" and go to a Casino at least I have a slim chance to actually win something.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:40am

Quoted from "squirrlee;542163"

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How many times are you going to run something that has no reward or point for you? How many people are you going to drag through an instance (I'm not talking about HoS, ZS or HoDL) so they can gear up? How many hammers, potions, foods and such are you going to burn up to gear others with nothing to show for it? Not many because you will run out of gold to do it rather quickly. I won't even try to guess how much Real money it could cost if you have to use dias or adventure packs to do it. Are you endgame? Or are you still trying to reach end game and hope this will help you get there because maybe you will be "ESCORTED" on gear runs?

You know what......I'm not endgame and I have no illusions that I will ever get there because I have a job....yes a real job in the real world and I'm not dumping massive money into this game or any as a mater of fact because it's pointless with the amount of time I have to "play". I'm not going to work at my real job an come home and work more in RoM just because you feel I should. I can't camp RoM waiting for a Happy hour sale or tell my boss I need to leave early so I can get a RoM/Zeevex card because it's Happy hour in RoM today. It's just not worth the cost that it takes considering the time I have to make that cost effective. I might as well take that "Diamond money" and go to a Casino at least I have a slim chance to actually win something.

Well no one should be dragging anyone through instances. Equally geared people should be going through instances right for their gear level so they can gear up together and tackle the next instance together, so on and so forth.

The only issue with this right now is a slight lack of people in the game. This worked fine in Chapter 3 because there were tons of people actually playing the game and running instances, and you could find a party to run the correct instance for your level without any trouble. Removing ABL's right now is just too little too late; they need the second half to the equation: people. However, the people now will adjust. It will just take a bit more time and be felt a bit harder than if there were more people to make it work smoothly.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:48am

Chapter 3 sucked. It was ruled by scouts, who rampaged through RT diamond and Kt and sold all the gear and stats to the rest of the player base. If you weren't a scout, healer, or knight, you weren't running RT or KT, even if you were geared for it.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:53am

Quoted from "Borella;542165"

Chapter 3 sucked. It was ruled by scouts, who rampaged through RT diamond and Kt and sold all the gear and stats to the rest of the player base. If you weren't a scout, healer, or knight, you weren't running RT or KT, even if you were geared for it.

Incorrect. I played a warrior and my partner played a warden (yes, a chapter 3 warden) and we made it just fine. And most of the time, gear was not sold due to an absence of ABL's. ;)

Of course, we were also part of a good guild that allowed everyone to run things. So for a PUG? Yeah, you weren't let in if you weren't a scout, priest, or knight.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:55am

Quoted from "tmblake09;542166"

Incorrect. I played a warrior and my partner played a warden (yes, a chapter 3 warden) and we made it just fine. And most of the time, gear was not sold due to an absence of ABL's. ;)


You obviously didn't play endgame in chapter 3. The only way anyone but a scout was getting into a RT diamond or KT party is if the scouts took pity on them and pulled them through or you were one of the really good warriors like Bluntwrap. And there was an abundance of gear, because ABL's were put on sale every couple weeks.

You weren't running RT diamond or KT as a warrior or a warden unless you were getting carried.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:57am

Quoted from "Borella;542167"

You obviously didn't play endgame in chapter 3. The only way anyone but a scout was getting into a RT diamond or KT party is if the scouts took pity on them and pulled them through. And there was an abundance of gear, because ABL's were put on sale every couple weeks.

You weren't running RT diamond or KT as a warrior or a warden unless you were getting carried.

Nope ^^ We handled ourselves just fine in fact :D Nice to know you ran with us and knew how we played our characters tho.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 9:59am

Quoted from "tmblake09;542168"

Nope ^^ We handled ourselves just fine in fact :D Nice to know you ran with us and knew how we played our characters tho.


You mean you were carried. No Warden was actually pulling their weight in chapter 3. It wasn't possible.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 10:01am

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You mean you were carried. No Warden was actually pulling their weight in chapter 3. It wasn't possible.

Once again, incorrect. It was very much possible, however it was 100x's harder than it is now. Hence why everyone chose not to play them and to play the spam fest that was scouts. Sort of like now how everyone chooses to forsake every other class and play the spam fest that is rogues. It's just that much easier.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 10:10am

I carried scouts through 2 chapters of content its only fair that they carried me in Chapter 3 :P (I was R/K DPS and K/R tank then)

On topic if anyone remembers when they were first released in chapter 1 Frogster said never again would they add ABLs back to the game as it was too impact-ful on the economy. And yet here they are! I am glad they are not permanently in the Cash Shop its makes people run lower level content now aka RT/HoS/ZS/DL/GCH/Sardo ETC (no one likes KT cause the gear is about as worse as AC) I take the good with the bad not saying i would be mad if they were gone forever but im also not saying that they should be removed completely.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 10:33am

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Point 2) More and more mid levels are finding it harder to gear...Well it's about freaking time! The game should be about, oh I don't know, the game, not the freaking auction house. One way to get your players to actually play the game is to give them no other choice. The players will adjust, they did before.

Point 3) End gamers should have more to do than simply farming gear, just cuz they can, to sell it for insane prices, just cuz they can. If you're having trouble gearing up for an instance, it probably, I may be wrong here, means you aren't ready for that instance. Maybe try taking a step before that instance and getting gear from the one before it? Meh, maybe that's just crazy talk, who actually wants to work for something in a game? It should only be about buying gear so you can kill a boss in one hit. Yeah, sounds uber fun to me.
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I can only find a few ways to look at the above,

1: You spend far to much time worrying about how other people want to play their game.

2: You don't like company at whatever gear level you are at & don't want anyone to pass your position & leave you behind.

3: You have a helluva lot more money to give Frogster than I have because I surely would not want to spend my hardearned gearing my way through all of the redundant instances if I was starting today.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 10:48am

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You have a helluva lot more money to give Frogster than I have because I surely would not want to spend my hardearned gearing my way through all of the redundant instances if I was starting today.

Why not? You're going to use it on something you enjoy anyways, and if you enjoy playing the game, you might as well spend it on the game. Since I enjoy the game, I will spend it on the game.
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 10:56am

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Why not? You're going to use it on something you enjoy anyways, and if you enjoy playing the game, you might as well spend it on the game. Since I enjoy the game, I will spend it on the game.


Good answer. WTB dias? :)
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Friday, June 29th 2012, 10:57am

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Good answer. WTB dias? :)
I would if I didn't have my own :) Maybe when I run out, and if you were on Reni haha
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