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Monday, July 9th 2012, 2:44pm

Am I the first crazy crafter to 80?

Just curious, I am pretty sure I am the first crafter to level 80 on Govinda. I was just wondering if anyone else had bothered on other servers. I did it in Blacksmithing (naturally as this was my main skill).

The level 80 craft / 71 to wear drop with a relatively disappointing Observance/Fang/Barbarian or Hammer IX (+100 str/+100 dex +200 patt/HP). While they are not completely horrible stats, one would have thought something slightly better would drop off a level 80 recipe. But I get why they didn't put better on them.

Anyway, the item itself is droolworthy as it surpasses the set bonuses for both the Ghostly set and the Heroic Precision by quite a few points. It was a challenge to hit 80, but fun too...

I'm wondering if any wild and crazy crafters out there besides me made it to the cap and are waiting for the next updates to see what we can craft in the future... Thank you FEU for setting a high goal, I feel like I went for the brass ring and was hoping it was worth it all along, and at this point it seems like it was! This year's crafting event far exceeded my hopes and was as good as last year for the level then too (when we got to make 65 special items for a level 65 cap). (ps. sorry cooks both years)

I do wish you had put in 75 special item recipes, but that is fine, 80 works for me!

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Monday, July 9th 2012, 3:26pm

Grats. Besides not being a set, this does look like pretty darn nice necklace.

And, yeah, you are probably the first.
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Monday, July 9th 2012, 3:32pm

Ty, yeh its not a set, but its bonuses beat the set bonus for the two most common sets out there (for melee dps anyway). it was a crazy trek up to 80, glad they put the bar so high, and glad I had awesome guildies (Shadedwillow in particular, but a lot of others helped and cheered me on too) to help me do it!
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Monday, July 9th 2012, 3:43pm

Yes I am the same as you, but doing it on the EU server. I'm going kinda slow though because there's already at least 3 players ahead of me that have level 80 in Blacksmithing (not personally acquainted with them, just saw on AH they were already selling the necklace). Takes about 2 days for me to raise 1 level, with 4 levels left to go.

Dunno how US players will plan to price the necklaces, but on my server, they're priced at 5 mil for ud and 35 mil for od. However, no one has bought them yet, and according to my endgame friend it's because they (endgamers) would rather stay with the level 70 sets that have a set bonus. For some reason a lot of players don't like to get away from set bonuses...

I hope more people will choose to get to 80. Crafting festival already gets you to 73/74-ish and crafting past that is relatively easy as long as you can secure yourself the mats (I use 120 mems = enough mats for 100 items). Also, iirc, 80 is the current crafting cap, so might as well just make the push for those last few levels.

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Monday, July 9th 2012, 3:53pm

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Yes I am the same as you, but doing it on the EU server. I'm going kinda slow though because there's already at least 3 players ahead of me that have level 80 in Blacksmithing (not personally acquainted with them, just saw on AH they were already selling the necklace). Takes about 2 days for me to raise 1 level, with 4 levels left to go.

Dunno how US players will plan to price the necklaces, but on my server, they're priced at 5 mil for ud and 35 mil for od. However, no one has bought them yet, and according to my endgame friend it's because they (endgamers) would rather stay with the level 70 sets that have a set bonus. For some reason a lot of players don't like to get away from set bonuses...

I hope more people will choose to get to 80. Crafting festival already gets you to 73/74-ish and crafting past that is relatively easy as long as you can secure yourself the mats (I use 120 mems = enough mats for 100 items). Also, iirc, 80 is the current crafting cap, so might as well just make the push for those last few levels.


Yeh, I don't know why people would want a set bonus that is WORSE than a single item. And it would free you up to get a different set bonus to boot (so long as you don't need a necklace slot). But you know how those crazy Europeans are ;) Mostly atm I expect it to be slow because people haven't bothered to stock up on Plussing jewels since none of the other 71/72 gear is worth a darn...

The mats were fairly hard to come by actually. Mostly because people can do math. Spending 700 mentos to roll a stat that might give you 40-50m on AH, or sell to me for 5 - 6m... Yeh, that was a hard sell, but I nickel and dimed my way through. Since its the best necklace going, I priced at 20m UD and 45+ for OD. This was comparing to a Tinc earing going for 40m. Since you can roll the Tinc, and I figured I deserved a little bit for my effort. Hoping people not seeing me as greedy, but rather reasonable. Already sold one OD, four if you count guildies (but they get a discounted rate, naturally).
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Monday, July 9th 2012, 4:32pm

Osha have a Carpentry lvl Osha (Masten) take alot of WS for buying mats but he did like a week ago. Atm i know are a blacksmith lvl 77 and runing to 80.
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Monday, July 9th 2012, 7:50pm

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Yeh, I don't know why people would want a set bonus that is WORSE than a single item.


It's because the 3 piece memento set + set's set bonus is greater than the single parts of Grasp of Accuracy, Tinc Earring and Trap Ring. Unplussed, untiered, unhammered, memento set is 3990 P.Att, 490 Crit, 175 Str. Combination of those 3 mixed pieces (best single pieces) unplussed, untiered, unhammered, is 3195 P.Att, 533 Crit. Not worth the upgrade. And not even better depending on your crit preference. To restat and regear would be a waste of time and resources when the cost does not justify the result.

Edit: If you were to tier 7 the pieces
Memento Set: 5703.6 P.Att, 1620.8 P.Crit, 273 Str.
Broken Set: 4984.2 P.Att, 1961.9 P.Crit.

With the Memento set, you should have already surpassed 70% Crit Rate unbuffed. Adding anymore after that is useless as adding crit is an exponential rate rather than a linear rate. More P.Att ftw.
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Monday, July 9th 2012, 8:25pm

We have a guild member who has 3 toons at level 80 crafting, Blacksmith, Carpenter, Cook. He's working to level the others to level 80 as well.

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Monday, July 9th 2012, 9:03pm

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Yeh, I don't know why people would want a set bonus that is WORSE than a single item. And it would free you up to get a different set bonus to boot (so long as you don't need a necklace slot). But you know how those crazy Europeans are ;) Mostly atm I expect it to be slow because people haven't bothered to stock up on Plussing jewels since none of the other 71/72 gear is worth a darn...


I don't try to convince anyone one way or the other...if they want to use the set item, fine. If they want to use the crafted items, fine. Unless you like to spend 30 minutes using math to convince other players which one is better, players will just gear however they want. Even by itself it's not all that bad, imo, and it's cheap/easy to craft it... So if someone was looking for a nice alternative, that necklace is it.

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The mats were fairly hard to come by actually. Mostly because people can do math. Spending 700 mentos to roll a stat that might give you 40-50m on AH, or sell to me for 5 - 6m... Yeh, that was a hard sell, but I nickel and dimed my way through. Since its the best necklace going, I priced at 20m UD and 45+ for OD. This was comparing to a Tinc earing going for 40m. Since you can roll the Tinc, and I figured I deserved a little bit for my effort. Hoping people not seeing me as greedy, but rather reasonable. Already sold one OD, four if you count guildies (but they get a discounted rate, naturally).


Haha I don't buy any mems, I just farm them myself (usually with GCe and DoD since they're fast). Runewaker has made so many easier alternatives for statting besides using mems that I no longer bother with mem pulls. I feel that I'm making much better use of them buying mats. Could probably even buy mats with mems and resell the mats for more profit than I'd make selling 1 stat (maybe?).
I think 20 mil for ud is fine for US servers considering the economy. I actually wish the EU crafters would have priced theirs higher. It's like they don't realize that they have a monopoly. >_> Oh well... Anyway, you can sell for whatever price you want if you're the only one making them. xD And maybe it will encourage other crafters to follow your lead.

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Monday, July 9th 2012, 9:26pm

Since were on the topic of crafting .... Why does gathering skills count towards crafting? Just plain stupid since they are not called crafting skills .. So actual crafters end up making multiple toons so they can actually craft something... ans on the topic of planting another fail in Frogster's pocket... i can grow the green wood but have to have a refiner to turn it to blue yest i can't grow the green herb only the blue so i have to buy it ... and thenm to top it all off our pets can craft beyond the level stuff to make 60 foods. So Frogster any plans to fix this screw up or just gonna screw crafters again?

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Tuesday, July 10th 2012, 8:42am

There's like 4-5 on Artemis. But gratz.

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Tuesday, July 10th 2012, 2:41pm

Yep i have:

Blacksmithing at 77
Carpentry at 74
Armorcrafting 76
Cooking 76
Alchemy 73
Tailoring 74
Herbalism 80
Mining 69
Woodcutting 66
Planting 80

Takes forever to get to 80, gratz to all who do it, even tho we get crappy rewards for all our efforts. Maybe they could make it better for crafting for all the work.

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Tuesday, July 10th 2012, 3:10pm

I'm at 76 in Blacksmithing, went from 70-74 in the festival and 74-76 using the level 70 iron chest recipe. Last level took 1.2k crafts. Just wondering if I'm missing something since this is gonna be painful/expensive at this rate xD.

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Wednesday, July 11th 2012, 7:37pm

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It's because the 3 piece memento set + set's set bonus is greater than the single parts of Grasp of Accuracy, Tinc Earring and Trap Ring. Unplussed, untiered, unhammered, memento set is 3990 P.Att, 490 Crit, 175 Str. Combination of those 3 mixed pieces (best single pieces) unplussed, untiered, unhammered, is 3195 P.Att, 533 Crit. Not worth the upgrade. And not even better depending on your crit preference. To restat and regear would be a waste of time and resources when the cost does not justify the result.

Edit: If you were to tier 7 the pieces
Memento Set: 5703.6 P.Att, 1620.8 P.Crit, 273 Str.
Broken Set: 4984.2 P.Att, 1961.9 P.Crit.

With the Memento set, you should have already surpassed 70% Crit Rate unbuffed. Adding anymore after that is useless as adding crit is an exponential rate rather than a linear rate. More P.Att ftw.

I am trying to figure out what set you are talking about... Because by all the math I can see:
Heroic Precision set bonus: 930 patt, 151 crit.
Ghostly Set: 100 str, 100 dex, 1200 hp, 1200 patt, 110 crit

1095 patt and 183 crit beats the Heroic precision right out. The ghostly is arguable since you get HP with it.

However, plussed (t6 +16) the totals are:
Ghostly:
171 stam, 1188 crit on the item - so the total for it is 1260 patt and 1188 crit + 110 set = 1298 crit (plus some HP)
Heroic Precision:
2442 PATT (total OD +16 with set bonus); 1195 + 155 = 1350 Crit total.

The Grasp T6 +16 is:
1576 patt, 1393 crit.

So you can see that plussing makes a difference (of course an unplussed item doesn't beat set bonus totals...)

Basically it beats the Ghostly Set on crit and patt, and beats the Heroic set on crit. Admittedly the numbers on the Heroic set are more patt with set bonus. But perhaps you could mix it up with Lekani and get the better set bonus there instead (as well as a little more damage). Yeh like you said, people will stat with what is convenient. If they need crit, they will take the highest crit they can find. And well, the Grasp is just that. If they do the numbers and prefer the PATT, they will go with the Mento set. (I'd rather have 1-2% more crit because I am doing 320% crit damage in my blue 45-50 gear, but that is me, I statted a little oddly anyway).
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Wednesday, July 11th 2012, 9:25pm

What about the other necklaces for other crafters? All I've seen is Grasp of Accuracy, but there are 3 others... Are they not as worthwhile?

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Wednesday, July 11th 2012, 9:57pm

Im draggin a bit behind, got blacksmith to 77, carps is still at 70, got a bunch of 80 planters for almost 2 years, but im sure there are plenty of those around not exactly a challenge to level planting.

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What about the other necklaces for other crafters? All I've seen is Grasp of Accuracy, but there are 3 others... Are they not as worthwhile?


The other necks just have different ghost stats, one for physical dps(pcrit), one for magic dps(mcrit), one for tanks(parry/dodge) and one for healers(healbonus)

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Wednesday, July 11th 2012, 10:22pm

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Just curious, I am pretty sure I am the first crafter to level 80 on Govinda. I was just wondering if anyone else had bothered on other servers. I did it in Blacksmithing (naturally as this was my main skill).

The level 80 craft / 71 to wear drop with a relatively disappointing Observance/Fang/Barbarian or Hammer IX (+100 str/+100 dex +200 patt/HP). While they are not completely horrible stats, one would have thought something slightly better would drop off a level 80 recipe. But I get why they didn't put better on them.

Anyway, the item itself is droolworthy as it surpasses the set bonuses for both the Ghostly set and the Heroic Precision by quite a few points. It was a challenge to hit 80, but fun too...

I'm wondering if any wild and crazy crafters out there besides me made it to the cap and are waiting for the next updates to see what we can craft in the future... Thank you FEU for setting a high goal, I feel like I went for the brass ring and was hoping it was worth it all along, and at this point it seems like it was! This year's crafting event far exceeded my hopes and was as good as last year for the level then too (when we got to make 65 special items for a level 65 cap). (ps. sorry cooks both years)

I do wish you had put in 75 special item recipes, but that is fine, 80 works for me!

Happy Hunting!


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Thursday, July 12th 2012, 6:18am

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I am trying to figure out what set you are talking about... Because by all the math I can see:
Heroic Precision set bonus: 930 patt, 151 crit.
Ghostly Set: 100 str, 100 dex, 1200 hp, 1200 patt, 110 crit

1095 patt and 183 crit beats the Heroic precision right out. The ghostly is arguable since you get HP with it.

However, plussed (t6 +16) the totals are:
Ghostly:
171 stam, 1188 crit on the item - so the total for it is 1260 patt and 1188 crit + 110 set = 1298 crit (plus some HP)
Heroic Precision:
2442 PATT (total OD +16 with set bonus); 1195 + 155 = 1350 Crit total.

The Grasp T6 +16 is:
1576 patt, 1393 crit.

So you can see that plussing makes a difference (of course an unplussed item doesn't beat set bonus totals...)

Basically it beats the Ghostly Set on crit and patt, and beats the Heroic set on crit. Admittedly the numbers on the Heroic set are more patt with set bonus. But perhaps you could mix it up with Lekani and get the better set bonus there instead (as well as a little more damage). Yeh like you said, people will stat with what is convenient. If they need crit, they will take the highest crit they can find. And well, the Grasp is just that. If they do the numbers and prefer the PATT, they will go with the Mento set. (I'd rather have 1-2% more crit because I am doing 320% crit damage in my blue 45-50 gear, but that is me, I statted a little oddly anyway).


Yea no doubt Grasp is better than any other piece or set bonus by itself. But as a set then no, Heroic Precision is still better (imo). That's why no one is buying it. Either they already have the set completed or they do not see it as better. That's what I was trying to write. 1% Crit rate is nothing. Especially when you already have 70%+ crit rate unbuffed. Count in the Crit resistance from bosses and that 1% Crit gain is most likely doesn't make a difference. I'd rather have more P.Att any day because of the high P.Def of bosses. And it is also what the majority of RoM population would think too.

Edit: When I edited first post and added T7 numbers, I included +16 as well. Just forgot to mention it. Also don't know what you're talking about with adding Lekani. I used the best available pieces in the game to form the Broken set. Anything else would be dropping the numbers.
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Thursday, July 12th 2012, 8:23am

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And it is also what the majority of RoM population would think too.


The thing is they might think it, but not be able to do anything about it. I believe sell-ability of the necklaces is going to depend on the server and the pricing, but for example... Say you're a mid-gamer on a low-pop server...regardless of what you know to be "the best of the best" how easy is it going to be for you to acquire it? I see a lot of people that might cut corners... They'll take Grasp of Accuracy because it is cheaper/easier and then if they progress individually (or collectively as a server) they will upgrade.
Will hardcore endgamers buy it? Probably not if they already have better. Does that mean no one will buy it at all? Probably not.

I remember when I was still trying to progress on a dead-end server, I knew quite well what was "the best" gear; it simply wasn't obtainable, so I had to settle for second-best.

As a side note, I kind of wish more craftables were like these necklaces. Sure they're not the best, but they are pretty nice and I haven't seen much that's as nice in a while. Plus it's interesting that they spread them out between 4 crafts instead of lumping all of them into blacksmithing...

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Thursday, July 12th 2012, 8:26am

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What Blacksmithing recipe did you use to go from 75 to 80?


I use the level 70 white chest recipe. It's cheap so even if you make 1000 or more, it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg (compared to the level 70 blue recipe). There's not really much else to use that's as easy, afaik. If I'm wrong or I'm missing something, then hopefully someone will speak up and inform us. xD