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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:39pm

Quoted from "regentego;546690"

Oh look at us, were M/P in PvE but go to siege as P/S, no Iceblade isn't op, all your actual points are useless, look a shiny object! Oh you rogues are op, look a marshmallow! Oh please don't make me siege as a m/p, I will lose my easy button, look a UFO! Healing what's that? I don't think priest should heal when there is IB to spam, look a pile of uranium!

Don't look at me im a m/p who nerfs myself by going to siege as a p/s. Why you qqing?


Just wondering how much longer in years do we have to wait for you to make a useful post?
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:39pm

The only thing that needs nerfed right now in this game is R/S Elite skills. Looked at them lately? Easily the best in the game. Nerf Combat Master to start, why should a class be given the equiv of an extra +'ed ring?
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:40pm

Quoted from "turboreaper666;546687"

A very useless comment.
However, to put it into perspective for you.
I say my piece in defense of all classes every time any class is nerfed....more when it's my class because I have a better understanding of it.
BUT....
At the same time I don't complain about my class getting a nerf and at the very same time start threads calling for other classes to get nerfed. It's not fair to the player no matter what side of the wrecking ball your on and it's the difference of being a hypocrite and not being one. I also have the maturity to realize people make investments in the toons they build and deserve to keep them that way.
I'm not running around crying about other classes killing me in the 1 hour event called siege and starting threads to try and get a class nerfed because at the end of that hour....win or lose...I can still say " I was killed a lot, but I took some of them with me and I had a good time doing it" I didn't lose any money from dying. I didn't lose any of my investment from dying. My Guild is still in one piece. My computer still turns on, and finally the best part, I still see the grass from the top and not the bottom every morning.
The big difference between you, the "Nerf this" thread starters, and me, is when someone builds a better toon, plays a little bit smarter or just has a good strategy.....I say "nice Job"......Where as "You's" cry for Nerf's.

But yes, if it makes you feel better I did complain about the GCD healing issue before, which makes sense since I play the class, and have since chapter 1.

Every one of these QQ threads just reeks of the "spoiled brat syndrome" If I can't do it, you shouldn't be able to either. Not to mention the vast number of these threads that just keep popping up, going no where and is filled with the forum trolls and whiners. Even the FM's know where this, and every other QQ thread leads....no where. I would have expected by now that they would just close these QQ threads right off the start because it ruins the perspective of new players on this game. These forums used to be useful at one point, now it's a complaints forum. It seems this entire game has turned into complain first, L2P second, then throw a fit if you can't kill every thing and everyone with out any effort.

Would I be on your side if they nerfed your class? Yes
Do I think anyone should put an investment into one of these fictional little toons and have it burned to the ground...No

So it just goes to show the thought process and difference in the maturity level of the players that realize this is a game. People have made investments in their toon and deserve NOT to have the spoiled brats of the game run to the forums every time someone kills them in an attempt to destroy someone else's investment.
Call it sportsmanship at the very least.


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Its just 1 hr of freaking siege,have fun .
Most importnat thing, when a nerf is implemented, it always end up worse than b4.
Look at scout, was the nerf needed? yes, but SCOUT WAS OVERLY NERF .
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:42pm

Quoted from "macnoma99;546696"

Lol @ 44 p/s voters.

I'm not a p/s and I said no - my post above yours explains it.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:44pm

Quoted from "turboreaper666;546698"

Just wondering how much longer in years do we have to wait for you to make a useful post?



Look another useless post, p/s rule don't defend the skill, attack the poster.

P/S= style over substance!

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:45pm

I just wanted to chime in on something that happened the last SW I was in. I am in the under 1000siege pts club ( well me and my guild ). Not sure how this would change if I was totally maxed out but I figure it would scale up the same.

I am a S/W mostly for SW......so I was getting destroyed by a p/s spamming IB....yes we exchanged deaths a few times but what was interesting is this.

Wind Arrow seems to have a better range than Ice Blade....and can fire off as fast as Ice Blade.....when similar geared seems to have about the same damage output.

After I realized this the p/s did not come at me anymore because twice in a row I dropped the p/s by spamming Wind Arrow.....was nice cause I could get the first shot off which even slowed them so I could actually kite them out of range of Ice Blade. They did kill me a few more times thou but if I could see them coming they died first. I am sure shot can keep up with Ice Blade spam also but does not have the range so with shot they beat me because they got the first shot off.

I am not exactly sure of their gear but we both were running pretty much with just guild buffs/HK buffs n pots...and both seemed to have around 50k hitpts. So I assumed we were about equally geared.

So just a note that there are other skills in the game that keep up with Ice Blade. But maybe not when fully maxxed out, I do not know about that because I am a mid-game player atm and geared like a mid-gamer ( outside of being max level because leveling one class to max is easy ).

Scouts use Wind Arrow if you encounter P/S ice blade spammers. once in range hit em with throat attack...it works wonders on quelling the spasms of the p/s.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 4:58pm

Quoted from "regentego;546690"

Oh look at us, were M/P in PvE but go to siege as P/S, no Iceblade isn't op, all your actual points are useless, look a shiny object! Oh you rogues are op, look a marshmallow! Oh please don't make me siege as a m/p, I will lose my easy button, look a UFO! Healing what's that? I don't think priest should heal when there is IB to spam, look a pile of uranium!

Don't look at me im a m/p who nerfs myself by going to siege as a p/s. Why you qqing?


Ah yes, because you must go into pvp as the same combo you pve with...just like all those m/w's from pve who ALWAYS stay as m/w while in siege.

And if u want me to point to a shiny object/ufo/marshmellow??, has anyone seen how ridiculous throw/combo throw is now
Quaffy - 87 Mage/ 85 Priest/ 70 Scout (formerly one of the much hated P/S in PvP :()
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 5:03pm

Just change the range to 150 or even 100. That is all it takes.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 5:06pm

Quoted from "regentego;546702"

Look another useless post, p/s rule don't defend the skill, attack the poster.

P/S= style over substance!

Somebody did not have their Mitol this morning...

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 5:22pm

Quoted from "kakita01;546703"


Wind Arrow seems to have a better range than Ice Blade....and can fire off as fast as Ice Blade.....when similar geared seems to have about the same damage output.

After I realized this the p/s did not come at me anymore because twice in a row I dropped the p/s by spamming Wind Arrow.....was nice cause I could get the first shot off which even slowed them so I could actually kite them out of range of Ice Blade. They did kill me a few more times thou but if I could see them coming they died first. I am sure shot can keep up with Ice Blade spam also but does not have the range so with shot they beat me because they got the first shot off.

I am not exactly sure of their gear but we both were running pretty much with just guild buffs/HK buffs n pots...and both seemed to have around 50k hitpts. So I assumed we were about equally geared.

So just a note that there are other skills in the game that keep up with Ice Blade. But maybe not when fully maxxed out, I do not know about that because I am a mid-game player atm and geared like a mid-gamer ( outside of being max level because leveling one class to max is easy ).

Scouts use Wind Arrow if you encounter P/S ice blade spammers. once in range hit em with throat attack...it works wonders on quelling the spasms of the p/s.


I've mentioned that several times. IB range 200, WA range 225, similar damage when geared the same.

By my calculations there will be 20 posts stating how you will run out of focus with wind arrow after a few shots, which seems to be extremely important even though you will only need 3 or 4 wind arrows to take a P/s down.

The rule is that you're supposed to attack a guard or the ballons till you only have 10 focus left, then qq about how vastly superior IB is, please get with the program and don't clutter the discussion with facts.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 6:48pm

Ebilone has run out of actual arguments for why Iceblade needs a nerf and has started the insults and useless posts. This thread is a goner.

And yes Quaffy.. that's ridiculous. 90K+ combothrows by one of the rogues on our server. Idiotic.
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:17pm

Quoted from "Borella;546768"

Ebilone has run out of actual arguments for why Iceblade needs a nerf and has started the insults and useless posts. This thread is a goner.

And yes Quaffy.. that sh*t is ridiculous. 90K+ combothrows by one of the rogues on our server. Idiotic.



200 range
Unlimited energy pool
Spamable and does ignore gcd
instant cast, no projectile graphic
no cd


No other skill operates the same, must be a reason OP m/p go as p/s for siege. All the evidence is right there, but you guys want to attack rather then say "yup its an op skill"

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:21pm

Quoted from "regentego;546782"

200 range
Unlimited energy pool
Spamable and does ignore gcd
instant cast, no projectile graphic
no cd


No other skill operates the same, must be a reason OP m/p go as p/s for siege. All the evidence is right there, but you guys want to attack rather then say "yup its an op skill"


Thunderstorm:

Spammable
Unlimited energy pool
Instant cast, no projectile, appears right over area
No cd.
Oh, and it's an AoE. So it can bring rogues out of hide as well as take out towers where nobody else can hit.

Mages SHOULDN'T go p/s in sw. Mages are much more useful. We're constantly calling for our mages to TS towers that are out of anyone elses reach.
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:23pm

Quoted from "Borella;546785"

Thunderstorm:

Spammable
Unlimited energy pool
Instant cast, no projectile, appears right over area
No cd.
Oh, and it's an AoE. So it can bring rogues out of hide as well as take out towers where nobody else can hit.

Mages SHOULDN'T go p/s in sw. Mages are much more useful. We're constantly calling for our mages to TS towers that are out of anyone elses reach.

Yeah that is why I'm a mage in sw and not a P/S and Ebilone yes ice blade is OP but there are still a lot of ways to kill those ice blade spammers.
You can just hide, come close to them and easy kill them.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:37pm

lol why bother with ebil, clearly you cant nerf his way of thinking do you really believe that if enough people complain about one skill that shines during 1 hour of optional gameplay, that they will nerf it? not likely if thats the case image how nerf'd to death rogues would be! its different from the OP scouts in ch3 they were ruling both realms pve &pvp (kinda like how rogue does now but to a lesser extent) but ice blade is decent at best. It has way too many disadvantages to be considered OP, its on a class with no aoe's and dismissable pdef as you've stated yourself.

p/s is rogue bait, rogues are scout bait, scouts are tank bait, tanks are mage bait and so on it all goes full circle. You hammer iceblade because you know that rogues are rom on easy mode and you'd hate for that to be taken away from you. and you know what thats cool no one deserves to be nerf'd to death. but its completely outrageous if the main ones calling for a nerf are the only ones who beat p/s 100% of the time and most other classes 80% of the time in arena where there are no eyes of true knowledge

you QQ'ing about iceblade is like scissors QQ'ing about paper it just sounds like a bunch of nonesense and cant be taken seriously

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:37pm

Quoted from "narix11;546786"

Yeah that is why I'm a mage in sw and not a P/S and Ebilone yes ice blade is OP but there are still a lot of ways to kill those ice blade spammers.
You can just hide, come close to them and easy kill them.



First off you can see the graphic for TS, second the caster has to position it, so no its not "instant" the most I've ever been for by TS is 40k, the most I've been hit by IB is 130k. You can't target a player with TS, only an area, please see my join date I know a thing or 300 about the games skills.

And here is what p/s do in siege, stand by flame towers and wait then IB spam. But thankyoi for saying it's OP, that all I wanted!

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:43pm

Quoted from "regentego;546791"

First off you can see the graphic for TS, second the caster has to position it, so no its not "instant" the most I've ever been for by TS is 40k, the most I've been hit by IB is 130k. You can't target a player with TS, only an area, please see my join date I know a thing or 300 about the games skills.

And here is what p/s do in siege, stand by flame towers and wait then IB spam. But thankyoi for saying it's OP, that all I wanted!


There's a well known macro for TS that let's you put your mouse over an area and hit the macro and it casts TS there. You don't have to sit there and position it. You just keep your mouse in front of you and spam it.

Again: TS is an AOE. Which is more OP: One skill hitting one person for 100K+, or one skill hitting MULTIPLE people for 40-60K, as well as being able to aoe down towers on top of castles and gates. I'll take the multiple people for 40-60K personally.

You've only ever been hit by a 40K thunderstorm? You obviously haven't gone up against Sacredmagic then.
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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:45pm

"If at first you don't succeed, lower the difficulty setting." <---- Why so many mages go p/s and I can't really blame em. Idk, we as a guild don't find most any p/s difficult to deal with atm. PPK with no end game p/s to speak of, or none that I have seen, are a far greater challenge then any guild who may have a few p/s's running around.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:52pm

Well as of the last patch you can no longer double hit with ice blade.

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Wednesday, July 18th 2012, 7:54pm

Quoted from "Xinux;546799"

Well as of the last patch you can no longer double hit with ice blade.


? You could never do that?
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