Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Sarcus;547564"

+1 to Zid and the rest that get it.

To Reg.....No Zid is not a noob and he doesn't have a dog in this fight because you seem to be so OP that you ROFLStomped our guild.

Win, Lose, or Draw we seige for the fun of it and have a ball doing it. Win some and lose some that's the way it goes.

I think they should nerf all the toons that say iceblade frost's their butt.....( See what I did there? )

/close this thread please....According to the poll, The masses have spoken.

Peace

You're right about one thing the majority of voters want a nerf to Iceblade, most are afraid to post cause the p/s here can't defend that iceblade is indeed OP, they just bully people instead. The skill needs a 3 second CD. You can cd anyone of my skills I will be fine, I have more then one way to skin a cat, you CD IB and they will cry the class is ruined! Yet p/m seem to do just fine with their CD on IWB. P/S is a pure cheese one button mash class, I figure those who don't actually want a challenge or posses any skill is content playing p/s.

Quoted from "regentego;547565"

You're right about one thing the majority of voters want a nerf to Iceblade, most are afraid to post cause the p/s here can't defend that iceblade is indeed OP, they just bully people instead. The skill needs a 3 second CD. You can cd anyone of my skills I will be fine, I have more then one way to skin a cat, you CD IB and they will cry the class is ruined! Yet p/m seem to do just fine with their CD on IWB. P/S is a pure cheese one button mash class, I figure those who don't actually want a challenge or posses any skill is content playing p/s.

Do you.. think at all before you post? Yeah they could put a 3 second cooldown on one of your skills and you'd be fine, you know why? BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE USEFUL DAMAGE SKILL TO USE. Same with P/M. While IWB is on cooldown they can use fireball and lightning and then IWB again. Not to mention IWB hits twice. Put a 3 second cooldown on IB, and make it hit twice. Then you can QQ about that too.

If you put a CD on iceblade.. the class WOULD be ruined. Without giving them another instant or two to use while IB is on cooldown, what are they supposed to do? Sit there helpless waiting for a rogue to come up in hide and one shot them?

Quoted from "regentego;547565"

You're right about one thing the majority of voters want a nerf to Iceblade, most are afraid to post cause the p/s here can't defend that iceblade is indeed OP, they just bully people instead. The skill needs a 3 second CD. You can cd anyone of my skills I will be fine, I have more then one way to skin a cat, you CD IB and they will cry the class is ruined! Yet p/m seem to do just fine with their CD on IWB. P/S is a pure cheese one button mash class, I figure those who don't actually want a challenge or posses any skill is content playing p/s.

im sorry, i have had yet to have you reply to even one of my posts that explain why iceblade is infact not that out of line. So if you would like to prove to me that iceblade is op, lets open a discussion. Reply to one of my posts. Tell me where im wrong. As a r/s or even a r/wn i more than triple the damage of any p/s in pve, and destory them by one shotting them with sneak attack in hide. Its infact very ballanced in pvp. Rogues kill priest/scouts and mages. scouts kill rogues. mages and priest/scouts kill scouts. Where exactly do you see imbalance in this?

A one button mashing skill may certainly be boring, but it dosent keep up in damage with mages so its certainly fair.

so far ive seen pleanty of reasons to not nerf iceblade. the one reason ive seen to nerf it is "it killed me in pvp" so please, give me some feedback. why is it op?

Quoted from "Kefkai;547569"

I don't think you can make the claim that P/S wasn't made for healing, it still actually has healing skills in it's elites, if you made the arguement that P/W or D/R wasn't made for healing I'd agree with you most likely.

P/S isn't a DPS class, it's a support class, it's skills are centered around group support, it's actually sort of funny that the priests that are more designed towards DPS fall way short of P/S as it's still the second best healing combination for a priest.

Priest scout is just as designed for dps as any other dps healer hybrid.

Embrace of the water spirit: mattack buff, dps based.
throat stab: increased the range of throat attack, not necessarily dps, but certainly good to have a ranged silence skill.
tide control: rising tide causes aditional ranged weapon damage, dps skill.
ice blade: dps skill
frost halo: magical crit rate of rising tide is incrased, ice bladed damage incrased by 10%.

of all the elites, only 2 are heals, and 1 is a defense buff. p/w also does more pve damage than a p/s. It just happens that p/s is better (or atleast more common) in pvp. they are both equally dps capable.

Quoted from "Kefkai;547572"

I have to disagree with you saying that P/W can do more PvE damage than P/S spamming iceblade, because of the whole cloth gear lacking the stats needed for P/W and well there are tons of reasons why, anyways if you consider P/S to be a dps class you must also consider D/Wd to be a dps class we have Mysterious Grace and Avalanche, oh boy.

If a class has a group buff that doesn't mean that it's going to excell at that profession

See: D/W, I do better magic damage with less equiment on D/Wd than I do melle damage on D/W

ah here is the difference. p/s has the majority of its skills aimed at damage dealing. d/wn has about half, if not the majority of its skills aimed at healing. d/w has most of its skills aimed at dps as well, but the execution of those dps skills is not optimal, and its group heal, the warrior primary pdef buff, the default druid healing skills, and awakening of the wild make it a very good healer. So now we have gotten past the fact that not only does p/s have many dps oriented skills, but also the quality of those skills. It happens to be one of few properly built classes, and one of the only proper hybrid classes. Smiliarly, d/w has a few quality healing skills. D/wn happens to lack both, hence the few people who play it.

now incomparison to a true dps class like a r/s, r/wn, m/w none of these stand up. In comparison to a true healer, such as a p/k or a d/s only d/w can compare.

Quoted from "Kefkai;547575"

I disagree with the last sentiment that only D/W can compare, I'm coming to find that D/Wd is actually a pretty good healer healing ripple is sort of similar to P/K's urgent heal spam if you're close to who you're healing, I used to not think it was that good but since the warden buff with the defense gain I've started seeing it in a new light.

i think the new briar shield will help by giving it more defense like a p/k does..but again these are very healing oriented skills. Skills a p/s cant benefit form. The p/s class has only a very mild defense buff, its heal skill is just an extra group heal that will not get used and a buff to a skill that is never used as well. d/s, d/w, d/wn, p/k...they all get useful healing skills that are used and worthwhile. p/s gets a damage skill to use. its a fair trade.

Quoted from "Kefkai;547578"

P/S is most similar to D/W and D/W sucks in terms of melle combat also P/S gets a stat stick bow to use, I also don't really think it'd be appropriate to buff up D/W's melle abilities but I do think it'd be appropriate to buff up P/W's.

the way i see it, even though a d/w has physical dps skills, they are useless. d/w is just better as a healing class. as such, if it were buffed, it should be buffed as a better healing class.

Similarly, p/s is currently not very useful as a healing class, but is a semi-capable dps and should be treated as such. P/w is a priest, but is treated as a dps class, so is p/r and d/r. there is no reason to treat p/s a a pure healer, it simply isnt.

wth, frantic briar got a 12 sec cd cuz it was too op in siege. will attack, our next best attack is now passive buff. iceblade deserves similar adjustment as does lowblow.

Quoted from "regentego;547565"

You're right about one thing the majority of voters want a nerf to Iceblade, most are afraid to post cause the p/s here can't defend that iceblade is indeed OP, they just bully people instead. The skill needs a 3 second CD. You can cd anyone of my skills I will be fine, I have more then one way to skin a cat, you CD IB and they will cry the class is ruined! Yet p/m seem to do just fine with their CD on IWB. P/S is a pure cheese one button mash class, I figure those who don't actually want a challenge or posses any skill is content playing p/s.

Hilarious.....

The majority of the people want a nerf he says....
Hmm poll says otherwise.

The majority of the people don't want to post it he says...
And you know this how? I guess your like the dude on the Psyche T.V. show...Surveillance...You Servelate things. You must be a Surveyor of Surveyorism.....

Nuff said

I truly agree with badtouch and kef There is a lot of trade offs in all the classes and in all actuality I don't see a major problem with iceblade.

Again /close this thread.

Quoted from "trav42073;547601"

wth, frantic briar got a 12 sec cd cuz it was too op in siege. will attack, our next best attack is now passive buff. iceblade deserves similar adjustment as does lowblow.

No, wardens need to be rolled back. see what nerfing a class does? its an unnecessary change that makes a class useless and makes people not want to play it.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;547580"

the way i see it, even though a d/w has physical dps skills, they are useless. d/w is just better as a healing class. as such, if it were buffed, it should be buffed as a better healing class.

Similarly, p/s is currently not very useful as a healing class, but is a semi-capable dps and should be treated as such. P/w is a priest, but is treated as a dps class, so is p/r and d/r. there is no reason to treat p/s a a pure healer, it simply isnt.

Wow you keep implying that P/S isn't a good healer and I have to disagree. P/S can churn out some heals.

If anything , P/M is more intended as a healer/dps class (it's all magical, not a combination of melee)

I have and have played P/M,P/K,P/R,P/S and my current character is P/S/R and I play as P/S or P/R for heals

You keep saying cureshot is a groupheal whereas I consider it moreso a regen.

Throat attack does NOT silence like r/s and others classes skills

P/S has offhand capabilities of a shield or talisman, so more defense or more heals. By using a talisman you are able to use 3 sets of caster runes (miracle,burst,curse etc...) altho curse says only for the weapon installed no need to count that anyways.

So by using a shield in your offhand (not to mention P/S Wave Armor also provides yourself extra protection) You can have more defense than a druid. Not to mention good ole priest bubble...Don't compare to a druid in the sense that the druid is a better match to P/K (asides d/wdn). D/S and D/W is more squishy

P/R has the capabilities of higher heals than a P/S (extra offhand magic damage use hammer or such), however because of the NERF to using groupheal repeatedly...the quicker cast time of a P/R can hurt.
I find it easier to time the cureshot , I just can heal better using the P/S

P/S can heal HM Tosh or AC , don't imply its not a good healer please

No nerf is needed for this class ( IMO either a mana percentage or 2 sec CD should have been in place on IB)
There are only a small handfull of P/S's that can pwn in PVP and most all of them are really M/P/S and are using their mage gears on priest side , some may have been built for PVP but that can be done with most any class too (you sacrifice PVE capabilities or just build 2 sets of gears)

My P/S isn't built for PVP and I can't care if they did get nerfed, mine is general purpose and has some magic attack for questing and such.
I think it's fun to encounter and op P/S...it adds variety like was stated earlier this post how several classes are strong and some are required for the other.

I usually Scout in siege but could be a combination of S/P,S/R,R/S,R/P and play P/S if short of healers (around 170k hp buffed priest)

Quoted from "regentego;547565"

You're right about one thing the majority of voters want a nerf to Iceblade, most are afraid to post cause the p/s here can't defend that iceblade is indeed OP, they just bully people instead. The skill needs a 3 second CD. You can cd anyone of my skills I will be fine, I have more then one way to skin a cat, you CD IB and they will cry the class is ruined! Yet p/m seem to do just fine with their CD on IWB. P/S is a pure cheese one button mash class, I figure those who don't actually want a challenge or posses any skill is content playing p/s.

I'm perfectly happy with the 3 second cool down on ice wind blade, But that's only because as P/m I have other instants, chain of light fireball and lightning + bone chill for lightning rod, to weave in with ice wind blade. They all have cool downs, but you can work a pattern and keep the damage up. (And P/m has two mana batteries, so you want to talk infinite mana pool?)

As P/s I would not be happy with a 3 sec cool down on ice blade because the P/s has no other really usable instants other than bone chill. Chain of light is too easily broken to be used unless you have a tank

P/s is intended as a damage dealing healer class, if you doubt it, just look at the elites:
Embrace: raises magical attack power (note, doesn't say healing power)
throat stab: increases range of throat attack
Enhanced wave armor: wave armor now increases defense
Tide control: Rising tide now causes ranged weapon damage
Ice blade (you all know that one)
Frost halo: lowers received mdam, +10% crit chance to rising tide, +10% damage to ice blade

Only two heal related elites:
curing shot a ranged AOE heal
saints blessing boosts healing if target is under 30% HP.

It's "priest scout", not plain "priest"

P/S also has no "stuns"
No freezing people and no lightning

P/S is a support class (so isn't S/P)

Embrace of the water spirit is a group buff to support magic users in group
Fairy buff reduces magic damage to ALL friendly within range
Also has one more "heal" skill than P/M and most other healers

P/M is a DPS/Heal class as it doesn't excell at healing like P/S does and is completely magic based
Most P/M's stat all stam and wisdom trying to create best healer they can injuring the class as it's really a DPS/Healer class

P/M was first to solo TT for example (Koyu!) not P/S ! P/M is an excellent solo class

P/S only has the 4 magic based skills (rising tide,iceblade,bonechill and chain of light)
The Scout side skills do very little damage

P/R could churn out some damage if it had better instants (extra 3k magic damage with offhand hammer! 3K !!!!!)
All music'd up and buffed could probably do 1sec or less rising tides (never tried)

Quoted from "bratty;547627"

Wow you keep implying that P/S isn't a good healer and I have to disagree. P/S can churn out some heals.

If anything , P/M is more intended as a healer/dps class (it's all magical, not a combination of melee)

I have and have played P/M,P/K,P/R,P/S and my current character is P/S/R and I play as P/S or P/R for heals

You keep saying cureshot is a groupheal whereas I consider it moreso a regen.

Throat attack does NOT silence like r/s and others classes skills

P/S has offhand capabilities of a shield or talisman, so more defense or more heals. By using a talisman you are able to use 3 sets of caster runes (miracle,burst,curse etc...) altho curse says only for the weapon installed no need to count that anyways.

So by using a shield in your offhand (not to mention P/S Wave Armor also provides yourself extra protection) You can have more defense than a druid. Not to mention good ole priest bubble...Don't compare to a druid in the sense that the druid is a better match to P/K (asides d/wdn). D/S and D/W is more squishy

P/R has the capabilities of higher heals than a P/S (extra offhand magic damage use hammer or such), however because of the NERF to using groupheal repeatedly...the quicker cast time of a P/R can hurt.
I find it easier to time the cureshot , I just can heal better using the P/S

P/S can heal HM Tosh or AC , don't imply its not a good healer please

No nerf is needed for this class ( IMO either a mana percentage or 2 sec CD should have been in place on IB)
There are only a small handfull of P/S's that can pwn in PVP and most all of them are really M/P/S and are using their mage gears on priest side , some may have been built for PVP but that can be done with most any class too (you sacrifice PVE capabilities or just build 2 sets of gears)

My P/S isn't built for PVP and I can't care if they did get nerfed, mine is general purpose and has some magic attack for questing and such.
I think it's fun to encounter and op P/S...it adds variety like was stated earlier this post how several classes are strong and some are required for the other.

I usually Scout in siege but could be a combination of S/P,S/R,R/S,R/P and play P/S if short of healers (around 170k hp buffed priest)

Quoted from "bratty;547629"

P/S also has no "stuns"
No freezing people and no lightning

P/S is a support class (so isn't S/P)

Embrace of the water spirit is a group buff to support magic users in group
Fairy buff reduces magic damage to ALL friendly within range
Also has one more "heal" skill than P/M and most other healers

P/M is a DPS/Heal class as it doesn't excell at healing like P/S does and is completely magic based
Most P/M's stat all stam and wisdom trying to create best healer they can injuring the class as it's really a DPS/Healer class

P/M was first to solo TT for example (Koyu!) not P/S ! P/M is an excellent solo class

P/S only has the 4 magic based skills (rising tide,iceblade,bonechill and chain of light)
The Scout side skills do very little damage

P/R could churn out some damage if it had better instants (extra 3k magic damage with offhand hammer! 3K !!!!!)
All music'd up and buffed could probably do 1sec or less rising tides (never tried)

Ok ill accept these facts about p/s, but it dosent change that ice blade really needs no nerf. Its not quite as bad as a healer as i made it out to be, but it still a dps/support role. And the skill still isnt uberpowerful.

For any non mage statted priest, iceblade hits for 12-30k. Not hard at all. a mage statted priest hits for 60k. 120 is the strongest iceblade ive ever seen, in an endgame tosh mage geared iceblade. As opposed to the 200k for rogues, etc etc. Again, its a balanced skill in pvp IF you have a balanced team. If your guild lacks the ability to counter an p/s, you should consider better rogues, just as if your guild cant handle rogues, you need better scouts.

Okay, now that I've done some cleanup...

Zidlef, regentego, find a room. Seriously. If you want to take whacks at each other, do it in PMs.

First public warning: Read the Forum Rules--link in my signature--and keep them Wholly. If you cannot or will not abide by the Forum Rules, this thread gets locked.

Quoted from "Sarcus;547602"

Hilarious.....

The majority of the people want a nerf he says....
Hmm poll says otherwise.

The majority of the people don't want to post it he says...
And you know this how? I guess your like the dude on the Psyche T.V. show...Surveillance...You Servelate things. You must be a Surveyor of Surveyorism.....

Nuff said

I truly agree with badtouch and kef There is a lot of trade offs in all the classes and in all actuality I don't see a major problem with iceblade.

Again /close this thread.

Um 53 out of 123 say no need, the other 70 want some kind of nerf... Looks like the majority to me.