Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Bitty;559992"

I don't know why people are are comparing iceblade to scouts in ch3? I don't see any p/s dpsing in any endgame instances. I don't see any p/s doing boss burns like scouts were in ch3 either. I don't see p/s having more then 1 attack skill that matters. Lets look at p/s skills for a minute......

Rising tide: Cast time
Bone Chill: instant but a joke
iceblade: only skill that can kill

The rest are buffs and healing. Every other class has so many other skills that can do dmg, its just that now a priest can do dmg people are QQing about. First it was about mages being so OP and they have 4 stunsroots or scouts are so OP that can spam shot or Rogues are so OP they can hide an lowblow you. Being a p/s that i am with 140k pdef i still have rogues doing 300k blind spots on me while in hide. If i were in mage gear/mage stats/mage weapon and doing 100k+ iceblades i still dont one shot them. I cant see them coming but they can see me! I don't see how you guys can say that having a skill that cant one shot someone vs someone that can hide and one shot a person needs to be nerfed. P/S has shot and vamp arrow from scout side but isn't any good since we don't stack pattk. So why dont you people that are QQing about iceblade give it a rest and just play the game.

Quoted from "srlebonv;560235"

#1 scouts are dps class, p/s are what is known as healing classes.#2 You get these great skills that heal yourself and others. Making your role in end game instances clear. You can keep iceblade, sure then give my scout urgent heal or immune. That's fair right?

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;560236"

just because its a priest, doset mean its a healing class.
is d/r a healer? p/r? p/w? They have heals.

is wn/s a tank? It has briar shield, they get pdef. must be a tank.

is w/k a strict dps class? has dps skills, must be all they can do.

what about s/k? it has heal skills. arhea
r/p? the have a heal skill. what about m/p? having a heal skill makes you a healer! r/wn must be a tank because briar shield gives you pdef, and a pdef buff makes you a tank!

before anyone in my guild trolls me, just because i say im a r/wn tank dosent mean i believe it. I know i am a squishy dps.


Also scouts arnt a strict dps class. S/wn maybe, but a s/p, s/w or s/r is going to provide more utility buffing the group or debuffing the boss. Thats the biggest advantage of a s/w or s/r. target lock and sapping arrow. Their dps might not be the top of the scrut, but they let everyone else do more damage and down the boss faster.

Quoted from "srlebonv;560237"

Let's us be serious like men do, s/k healing shot isnt a heal skill more like a way to further ridicule the elite skill system. Agreed priests can have secondary dps skills. But iceblade is a primary dps skill just Like the s/k heal is a secondary skill. If you want
To say that s/p is the new battle priest, ok but there needs to be a concession for the power exchange

Quoted from "srlebonv;560235"

#1 scouts are dps class, p/s are what is known as healing classes.#2 You get these great skills that heal yourself and others. Making your role in end game instances clear. You can keep iceblade, sure then give my scout urgent heal or immune. That's fair right?

Quoted from "Kefkai;560240"

So because my Druid has Withering and Weakening seed I'm now a utility class instead of a healer, S/P is a utility class S/R and S/W are dps, I'm pretty sure the whole definition of a utility class is that it's designed primarily to support the group but isn't nessecary while those skills might be helpful S/R and S/W aren't bad dps classes.

Also @ is Wd/S a tank, you haven't watched Draufbaum's videos have you? Wd/S was viable as a tank for similar reasons as to why K/S was viable, an extra Hatred rune is cool. Was is strictly a tank though? No, it was not strictly a tank, but at the same time I'm not sure I've seen that many actual DPS oriented Wd/S either.

Anyways back to P/S second most commonly used healing priest, we can't pretend forever that it's not a priest and that people use it to heal, I don't think I've ever seen anyone use P/W or D/R as a healer and P/R has become less popular due to the whole group heal nerf thing.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;560245"

right because none of those classes can fullfill double roles? A wd/s can be either a tank or a dps. It can fill either roll and thats my point. a p/s can be a healer or a dps. and yes, ive seen p/w heal instances. not effectively, but they can fill that double role. so why is a p/s not allowed to?

Quoted from "refugee;560309"

No matter what class gets nerfed, another one will take it's place in the whine of the week list, and soon enough it will take a full party of end gamers to clear FA.

Quoted from "Matthew68;546695"

So tired of people wanting to nerf this and nerf that - you know what? Maybe if u learn how to play the game instead of QQ'ing about how your getting owned by someone else's skill you'd be better off. IF I said it once if I'll say it a thousand times - STOP TRYING TO CLASS BALANCE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T MEANT TO BE BALANCED. THEY ARE BALANCED WHEN WORKING TOGETHER WHICH IS WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT. You wanna solo go play an individual based game not an multi-player online game. Nuff said.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;560239"

That argument made no sense. Yes iceblade is a primary dps skill, p/s is oriented around being a utility/dps class just like p/w p/r d/r are.

and just like r/k used to tank. and just like not all wardens are tanks and not all wardens are dps. a priest can be a healer, it can be a dps class, heck ive had priests tank bosses for me as a r/s with negative aggro and duoed world bosses like that. Just because its a priest primary dosentmean its strictly heals.

Quoted from "srlebonv1;561983"

we scoutnerf it off the face of the planet

Quoted from "srlebonv1;561983"

P/S make no concessions. A p/s has Hp, healing, range and dps. I realize this is specific to PvP. But stop referring to se as if its a small aspect of the game. SW is a large retention for end gamers. I'm not saying we scoutnerf it off the face of the planet, but how does a cool down really kill it? I await your criticisms.

Quoted from "srlebonv1;561983"

I am sorry my English is not perfect I will try again.. The way game mechanics should operate is a balance between powers. Otherwise you get cheat mode. Ex: scouts sacrafice some dps and get range. Rogues sacrafice survivability and get dps/hide. Each make a concession for a desired benefit. P/S make no concessions. A p/s has Hp, healing, range and dps. I realize this is specific to PvP. But stop referring to se as if its a small aspect of the game. SW is a large retention for end gamers. I'm not saying we scoutnerf it off the face of the planet, but how does a cool down really kill it? I await your criticisms.

Quoted from "effervescent;562018"

A P/S built for damage is about as sturdy as a piece of paper. They don't have survivability. And before you say heals -- how exactly do you heal a oneshot?

People have already explained expansively how a cooldown on IB would kill P/S. If priests had other worthwhile instants they could rotate through, it wouldn't be a big deal, but they don't.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;562020"

Ohhh i see what you mean now. The problem with that is that any p/s who is dpsing has scaraficed all their survivability. I can oneshot a dps p/s. If i CAN'T one shot a p/s, they also only hit me for like 6k a hit. So they are forced to make a trade. They can be a healer, or they can do dps, but they have to choose. They have to either full gear dps, or full gear heal, and if they do one they cant do the other without swapping gear.

Quoted from "srlebonv1;562026"

I am probably not as good as you but I know how to play my toon and I'm moderately geared. I have 65k. Hp and 45k patk . They hit me for a lot more than 6k, they nearly one shot me and because its spamable they nearly always get me. I hit them hard but an 70k p/s which is not uncommon survives combo and pierce and vamp. Normally really low but not dead, here is where the healing takes care of the dot from vamp. I know compared to you maybe I am too low hp. But I am in a lvl9 guild. Facing other low guilds and the p/s in my level slaughter everyone. I have since rolled a p/s to help us win some battles, and wow he at 62. /50 does way more than my72/60.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;562034"

Thats, again, the other problem people usually have. A p/s or a mage will destroy scouts. The best defense against a p/s or a mage is a rogue. Just like as a scout, you should be finding and killing rogues. (buff scouts, and detection especially plz).

Its not entierly that you are playing badly, just that a p/s is a class that is going to mess up scouts. Any ranged magical will, including m/d or m/wn with magmablade and earth groaning wind blade, which would probably one shot most classes, instead of the 2-3 iceblade takes.

And again, this is all a pvp discussion. Pvp is important, but its broken. Until its fixed you cant make decisions on the game on how pvp works, because it would just break the game further. Im not saying dont make fixes based on pvp, but i do think we should fix pvp before we change any skills or classes based on pvp.

Quoted from "srlebonv1;562079"

I respect your answer. I still do not believe p/s should have so much power over dps. If p/s begins to fail as dps. No they can focus on heals. If scout fails on dps, what else can we do.