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Quoted from "gigilomann;545416"

1... mana on a p/s using/spamming iceblade does go away pretty quickly.
2.. A s/k's disarm can be used the same way. spammable and effetive, tho not as effective as a p/s's iceblade.
3..The reason a s/k's disarm isnt "as" effectie is one because mele classes hae more pdef thanmdef and if you remeber how strong disarm was before the nerf... It's still pretty strong and spammable.
4.. The reason most m/p's switch in seige to p/s ismore thanlikely b/c they are 1. not skilled as a mage. 2. Not skileld as a mage in pvp.... 3... Rather jsut use 1 skill than a pvp rotation... 4... want moar kills....

Umm no its cause disarm is now based on mainhand damage, scout bow damage bonus doesn't apply, remember I've played s/k (nom nom nom donuts)

40k mana, usually takes 3 IB to kill any melee, heck some mages too.


Real quick you #4 is not helping the p/s argument!

Quoted from "regentego;545419"

Umm no its cause disarm is now based on mainhand damage, scout bow damage bonus doesn't apply, remember I've played s/k (nom nom nom donuts)

40k mana, usually takes 3 IB to kill any melee, heck some mages too.


Real quick you #4 is not helping the p/s argument!

Not trying to help the p/s's lol jsut stating facts.

Quoted from "gigilomann;545422"

Not trying to help the p/s's lol jsut stating facts.

You gave me a great idea, do what they did to disarm, make Iceblade based on bow damage, if the s/k could take it so can p/s

Quoted from "regentego;545415"

See you liberal p/s over here like to avoid the facts.

The person you quoted sounds more like a warrior actually...

Quoted from "1stfaze;545405"

but what is unfair to stack on that is hide +shadow prison, being pretty much helpless to invisible people sux, as a warrior we miss alot on rogues so even if i candy ill miss and get one shot or they will candy and have at me

And the gcd is not debatable, it has been tested many times by different people. You dont get to cast iceblade faster than gcd even if latency makes it appear as if you are being hit quicker than that.

Mana also isn't unlimited, theres a reason why a number is attached to your mp amount and not just the symbol for infinity. Mana also regenerates at a snails pace, so once you run out, you aren't getting it back unless you die.

Honestly mages are much more useful and just as deadly in siege, so I don't see why it matters if someone wants to play p/s. Mage is actually better and has more utilities, but is more complicated to play. P/S does one thing and is more simple to play. There's your answer ebby

In pvp people choose whatever playstyle they want, mages going p/s want more simplicity and sacrifice their utility in order to do so.

make iceblade use focus like some1 said on this thread , or give the skill more Cooldown time ....

IF not .. then change cursed fangs to MP not energy (m/r)

its bs how tonight there was a p/s hitting 130k iceblades...

why are the loudest complainers usually R/S class?

where have these R/S been for the last 2+ years (since siege start) whining about M/x instants and --->>> wider array <<<--- of perfectly lethal magic DPS skills?

rogues finally get a OP unbalancing DEX-based skill (which is why chapter 3 was unbalanced and renamed Runes of Scouts), and figure that no one should be able to touch rogues now, even without using any strategy, even when wander around solo, even without their brains engaged. jeez.

Oh wait, the R/S are correct. Nerf all classes except R/S. That will fix everything.

So i put down no nerf is necessary because all the options suck.

Quoted from "montanamick;545429"

why are the loudest complainers usually R/S class?

where have these R/S been for the last 2+ years (since siege start) whining about M/x instants and --->>> wider array <<<--- of perfectly lethal magic DPS skills?

rogues finally get a OP unbalancing DEX-based skill (which is why chapter 3 was unbalanced and renamed Runes of Scouts), and figure that no one should be able to touch rogues now, even without using any strategy, even when wander around solo, even without their brains engaged. jeez.

Oh wait, the R/S are correct. Nerf all classes except R/S. That will fix everything.

Also dont try to pin this on rogues. ice blade is just as broken as any rouge skill. the problem is the pvp SYSTEM. not any class or class combo.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;545430"

So i put down no nerf is necessary because all the options suck.

Oh yea? I see lower damage, increase cool down, remove skill, etc,etc. What original and better options you got in mind?

Quoted from "gigilomann;545416"

1... mana on a p/s using/spamming iceblade does go away pretty quickly.

4.. The reason most m/p's switch in seige to p/s ismore thanlikely b/c they are 1. not skilled as a mage. 2. Not skileld as a mage in pvp.... 3... Rather jsut use 1 skill than a pvp rotation... 4... want moar kills....

1. I don't think so. I don't see priest/scouts mana going down 5k per Ice Blade. My energy goes down 25 for every low blow. I only get 4. Something that hits half as hard but from a LONG distance should be allowed only 4 hits as well.

4. I don't see how priest/scouts have any more skills than a mage/priest? Your attack skills drop from 3-4 skills to one Ice Blade. They switch because Ice Blade is just like Fireball but spammeable.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;545433"

Oh yea? I see lower damage, increase cool down, remove skill, etc,etc. What original and better options you got in mind?

Why each is terrible, in order:

decrease the damage of iceblade: you are basing the damage of iceblade on pvp, in a heavily pve game.

adding a cd: the balance for adding a cooldown would have to be increasing the damage. it dosent hit overly hard in pve, so if you add a cooldown, it would have to be stronger

nerf the range: possibly the only acceptable nerf, but its not a huge change. it wouldn't change the skill all to much and we would have the same problem.

make iceblade a projectile: still dosent really fix the problem.

so, again: the first change needs to be fixing the pvp system. The basic MECHANICS of the game need to change first, then you can start making skill changes.

There is no "acceptable" nerf to Iceblade. No matter what you do, even if you nerf it by increasing mana costs by 1, P/S will kick, scream and cry while they take the soft, fluffy nerf hammer, and Fan will prob write a 300 page essay and force us all to read it as punishment for making IB get nerfed -_-

Quoted from "pazuzzu;545384"

nerfs are never the answer...they only lead to more angry customers in a dwindling player population

I'd hate to see anything happen to anyone like what happened to scout in chapter 3->4. Not because the hit was all that serious, but it didn't fix the game's mechanics at all. You're just pissing off people when it is unneeded. Voted for no nerf.

Quoted from "ruisen2000;545437"

There is no "acceptable" nerf to Iceblade. No matter what you do, even if you nerf it by increasing mana costs by 1, P/S will kick, scream and cry while they take the soft, fluffy nerf hammer, and Fan will prob write a 300 page essay and force us all to read it as punishment for making IB get nerfed -_-

Ever gotten hit with a 150k sneak attack, or one shot with magama blade at 250 range? What does the average ice blade hit for, 60k? Make it focus based, then it cant be spammed, the focus will regen in 10 ish seconds when the priest stops moving, life is good. OR BETTER YET fix siege war.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;545435"

so, again: the first change needs to be fixing the pvp system. The basic MECHANICS of the game need to change first, then you can start making skill changes.

There's a lot of people saying this (even I have agreed with this point) and yet no one has actually acknowledged that this is in fact one of the biggest issues in the game and is causing the problem in the first place. Kudos to you for continuing to bring it up over and over for those who are still in denial (I guess).

As for Ice Blade somehow being the "only" skill with "Instant cast, no travel time spammable, unlimited energy pool, and no CD except gcd"...this is a false statement. Ice Blade is not the only one. I have a list of about six other skills that fit the bill and 3 passive buffs that boost existing attacks to do the same. Just because Ice Blade is the only skill receiving attention does not mean there are not other skills out there; some even hit harder than Ice Blade and cost half as much MP (instant cast and no CD). Which is exactly why threads and arguments like this are useless and also incredibly stupid.

Quoted from "EsxCape;545442"

There's a lot of people saying this (even I have agreed with this point) and yet no one has actually acknowledged that this is in fact one of the biggest issues in the game and is causing the problem in the first place. Kudos to you for continuing to bring it up over and over for those who are still in denial (I guess).

As for Ice Blade somehow being the "only" skill with "Instant cast, no travel time spammable, unlimited energy pool, and no CD except gcd"...this is a false statement. Ice Blade is not the only one. I have a list of about six other skills that fit the bill and 3 passive buffs that boost existing attacks to do the same. Just because Ice Blade is the only skill receiving attention does not mean there are not other skills out there; some even hit harder than Ice Blade and cost half as much MP (instant cast and no CD). Which is exactly why threads and arguments like this are useless and also incredibly stupid.

People have been pointing this out, and making great suggestions on how to fix it, since at least chapter 3 Its just sad to see no fixes coming =( which is why I think nerfing a skill based on its pvp usage is moronic in a pve game.

You should post the list. just so people know the skills.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;545443"

People have been pointing this out, and making great suggestions on how to fix it, since at least chapter 3 Its just sad to see no fixes coming =( which is why I think nerfing a skill based on its pvp usage is moronic in a pve game.

You should post the list. just so people know the skills.

There used to be a really good thread in the PVP forum section with idea about how to balance combat as well as PvP content on Grimdal and Indigo. However I think it's since been deleted with the forum revamp and none of the suggestions were taken...dunno if they were even forwarded. So sad...

I was going to not post it because someone will come along and nit-pick and say "but in this situation and if you do this and if you have this potion or if i use this spell or if if if if and and and and" -.-; Which is the same stuff you can say for Ice Blade, or really any skill on RoM, and I don't want to derail the thread (as happened when someone mentioned Disarmament). But for the sake of the example you're requesting, an obvious one that fits the outlined requirements is Power of the Wood Spirit (instant, spammable, uses MP pool which I guess is considered unlimited, no CD, and costs 50% less MP than Ice Blade). Not to mention this is a general tab skill, so any class that is x/wd can use this to their advantage in any way they see fit. Ice Blade is exclusive to P/S. That being said, don't let that derail the topic (or do...because I wouldn't mind having this thread closed anyway).

So with the highest vote being "no nerf" and the second highest vote, at half the votes, is to add another second to the cooldown.

Just for those of you who skip to the ends of threads instead of reading the entirety of it:

DPS classes are whining that a priest is killing them. They want the skill nerfed or changed to a focus cast or some such nonsense as it is. Even seriously had a rogue/scout complain that they can only use low blow 4 times, so priest/scout should only be allowed 4 times as well. Seriously.

Anyways, with the majority of the population thinking ice blade shouldn't be nerfed, the most likely course of action that will be taken is the skill will be entirely removed and replaced with something stupid like:
Ice Arrow: you shoot an arrow filled with ice at a friendly party member, lessening all damage received by .1%.

Quoted from "tmblake09;545447"

So with the highest vote being "no nerf" and the second highest vote, at half the votes, is to add another second to the cooldown.

Just for those of you who skip to the ends of threads instead of reading the entirety of it:

DPS classes are whining that a priest is killing them. They want the skill nerfed or changed to a focus cast or some such nonsense as it is. Even seriously had a rogue/scout complain that they can only use low blow 4 times, so priest/scout should only be allowed 4 times as well. Seriously.

Anyways, with the majority of the population thinking ice blade shouldn't be nerfed, the most likely course of action that will be taken is the skill will be entirely removed and replaced with something stupid like:
Ice Arrow: you shoot an arrow filled with ice at a friendly party member, lessening all damage received by .1%.

A biased summary is not a good summary in my opinion

Did he say make it 4 times? I'm too lazy to go back and check and I got flies to do

Why do you think they will replace it?

Quoted from "EsxCape;545442"

There's a lot of people saying this (even I have agreed with this point) and yet no one has actually acknowledged that this is in fact one of the biggest issues in the game and is causing the problem in the first place. Kudos to you for continuing to bring it up over and over for those who are still in denial (I guess).

As for Ice Blade somehow being the "only" skill with "Instant cast, no travel time spammable, unlimited energy pool, and no CD except gcd"...this is a false statement. Ice Blade is not the only one. I have a list of about six other skills that fit the bill and 3 passive buffs that boost existing attacks to do the same. Just because Ice Blade is the only skill receiving attention does not mean there are not other skills out there; some even hit harder than Ice Blade and cost half as much MP (instant cast and no CD). Which is exactly why threads and arguments like this are useless and also incredibly stupid.

Can I have the list of Attack skills just like iceblade please?

Quoted from "ChaosArmored;545449"

A biased summary is not a good summary in my opinion

Did he say make it 4 times? I'm too lazy to go back and check and I got flies to do

Why do you think they will replace it?

Well yes, but it is from someone who is known for saying trollish things on the forums, so I wouldn't take it too seriously

Quoted from "L3g3nd;545434"

1. I don't think so. I don't see priest/scouts mana going down 5k per Ice Blade. My energy goes down 25 for every low blow. I only get 4. Something that hits half as hard but from a LONG distance should be allowed only 4 hits as well.

I was also unaware that rogues no longer regained any energy at all, just 4 hits and they are done it seems...

And you're still doing flies? If you have access to the new zone I would highly suggest doing dailies there, it takes all of 2minutes to do 10 dailies if you are slow and have no ranged attacks