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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 2:16pm

Quoted from "Quaffy2;568086"

So for
a) You mean the immune that EVERY priest or priest secondary has...ok
b) pretty much any class' main attacks do reasonable damage in pvp if they have a weapon for dps and the patk/matk to back it up, it isnt like people are throwing pillows at eachother. At least it doesn't hit people for 2-3x their hp like many other skills
c) Seeing as this is a caster class and not melee, all of our skills are ranged. The exceptions would be AoEs in most cases for casters, but p/s doesnt have any of those
d) I'd be ok with making it less spammable if there were some other skills we could use to attack people with while it was on cooldown. So how about that compromise, add some more skills that do "reasonable damage" for me to cycle through so i don't have to use IB as the only viable option.

Based on that list, the only difference between p/s and say m/p is that m/p has other stuff it can do if one skill is on cooldown, has use AoEs (anyone else notice how useful thunderstorm is btw), can stun, silence, and root, while a p/s does not (so it uses the one skill it does have).

It's basically like saying, hey let's have this mage only use fireball with it's cooldown, and it cant do anything else offensively that's worthwhile until fireball gets off cooldown. That's what a p/s will be trying to attack people in siege if many people in this thread get their way.


My point was more that the combination of everything a p/s is makes it quite hard to deal with. Yes i understand that a m/p is very similar, although its skills arnt quite as spammable as iceblade (you can spam thunderstorm, but thunderstorm hits for less...but is also an aoe so that balances out). Im not saying it needs a nerf or a change, im not saying it doesnt. Just that all together, with all of its skills and such, a p/s becomes a very annoying class in pvp. Just like a rogue who hides and oneshots anything excpet a p/k or a tank. Or a s/k who takes no damage and slowly works down its opponents. A p/s can immune and kill people at range who they see coming. My point is that its not just iceblade at work here, its everything a p/s is.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 2:33pm

If anything, ice blade needs to be boosted, so it is useful in pve. You know pve, as in the majority of this game.

This game is player vs environment, pve. It is dumb that the siege pvpers, scratch that: pay to winners, whine about getting their butts handed to them, and so the pve(the majority of this game) gets the nerf.
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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 6:05pm

Quoted from "camagic;568114"

If anything, ice blade needs to be boosted, so it is useful in pve. You know pve, as in the majority of this game.

This game is player vs environment, pve. It is dumb that the siege pvpers, scratch that: pay to winners, whine about getting their butts handed to them, and so the pve(the majority of this game) gets the nerf.



Iceblade is as powerful as most DPS skills imo. It just because P/S doesn't have DPS buffs like the rest of the classes do during burn fights, and is not affected by any sort of casting pots/speed pots because the skill has those taken care of already..
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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 6:18pm

Quoted from "ruisen2000;568135"

Iceblade is as powerful as most DPS skills imo. It just because P/S doesn't have DPS buffs like the rest of the classes do during burn fights, and is not affected by any sort of casting pots/speed pots because the skill has those taken care of already..


It's not actually. The way casted skills work, Ice Blade is useless in any boss fight. The only thing good about Ice Blade in PvE is that it allows heal-statted priests to kill a little bit faster while questing.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 9:27pm

Quoted from "camagic;568114"

If anything, ice blade needs to be boosted, so it is useful in pve. You know pve, as in the majority of this game.

This game is player vs environment, pve. It is dumb that the siege pvpers, scratch that: pay to winners, whine about getting their butts handed to them, and so the pve(the majority of this game) gets the nerf.


It is useful in PvE but why exactly should P/S become a Burn DPS class, there's nothing to suggest it should be really, it's a support class that people turned into a PvP class.

If you start talking in that way I'd appreciate a Druid DPS class too, hell who cares if it makes no sense?

There are some things that some classes will just never be, even with their elite skills and other classes will just outperform them like there's just no reason that Priests/Druids should be remotely close to Mages in terms of DPS, P/W or D/W will never be as good a DPS as W/X will be, you can play this game the way you want sure, but some ideals are sort of set in stone.

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Wednesday, September 5th 2012, 3:30pm

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.. I see someone else got killed in siege
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Wednesday, September 5th 2012, 3:49pm

I hit a p/s for 220k last night in SW and he didn't like it???? Also...... I love lamp. Two completely unrelated topics but both funny to meeeeee!!! :p

548

Sunday, September 9th 2012, 3:49am

The Damage should be reduced because cooldown and range doesn't matter if it one shots you

549

Sunday, September 9th 2012, 4:43am

Having quested to 72 on a p/k, the reasoning for needing iceblade to quest is just retarded. I survived just fine without it on p/k. That skill doesn't belong in the game, it unbalances most everything. I can't count high enough to count the number of stupid p/s that think they can dps in instances. Most p/s healers on Govinda won't heal in run anymore simply because they think "Ive got iceblade I can dps". Iceblade has done nothing but takes priests from being a healer class to being a useless class.

Flame me all you want, say whatever you want about me. I don't care. I've been here since the 2nd day of beta, seen the numerous changes that have broken the game. Iceblade is doing nothing but creating crappy toons that can't heal or dps.

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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 5:15am

Quoted from "Ziav;568934"

Having quested to 72 on a p/k, the reasoning for needing iceblade to quest is just retarded. I survived just fine without it on p/k. That skill doesn't belong in the game, it unbalances most everything. I can't count high enough to count the number of stupid p/s that think they can dps in instances. Most p/s healers on Govinda won't heal in run anymore simply because they think "Ive got iceblade I can dps". Iceblade has done nothing but takes priests from being a healer class to being a useless class.

Flame me all you want, say whatever you want about me. I don't care. I've been here since the 2nd day of beta, seen the numerous changes that have broken the game. Iceblade is doing nothing but creating crappy toons that can't heal or dps.


So iceblade should be removed because...a few nubby p/s' wrongly think they can do good dps in instances as p/s? lol, ok. I'm pretty sure no p/s is delusional enough to think they can do great dps in an instance with iceblade. As ebilone loves to point out, many of them switch to m/p or m/s to dps in pve, cause u know...mages can actually dps a boss well and p/s cant. BTW im on govinda, I dont agree with your "most p/s healers on govinda" statement. If a p/s wants to heal, they have healing gear and do a pretty great job at it.
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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 6:06am

Quoted from "Ziav;568934"

Most p/s healers on Govinda won't heal in run anymore simply because they think "Ive got iceblade I can dps". Iceblade has done nothing but takes priests from being a healer class to being a useless class.

This is what I read here: "Some morons dont know how to play, so nerf the skill they spam instead of healing!'

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Flame me all you want, say whatever you want about me. I don't care. I've been here since the 2nd day of beta, seen the numerous changes that have broken the game. Iceblade is doing nothing but creating crappy toons that can't heal or dps.

Then you wouldnt know that Iceblade, since chapter 1, has not changed at all. Only reason people QQ is because we have the option of choosing a 3rd class, and the m/p's or p/m's or p/k's who used to stay as those classes as their names, are now able to play p/s. Just because there are *more* of a class, doesn't mean the skill itself needs to be nerfed.

Instead, you should make a QQ thread about noobs who need to l2play.

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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 6:14am

Just stop replying to the people here. Hopefully the stupid thread will die then lol.

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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 6:10pm

shut up pinkthing and res me PLEASE

there are no stupid threads..just stupid forums

554

Sunday, September 9th 2012, 9:59pm

Quoted from "Ravesden;568939"

This is what I read here: "Some morons dont know how to play, so nerf the skill they spam instead of healing!'


Then you wouldnt know that Iceblade, since chapter 1, has not changed at all. Only reason people QQ is because we have the option of choosing a 3rd class, and the m/p's or p/m's or p/k's who used to stay as those classes as their names, are now able to play p/s. Just because there are *more* of a class, doesn't mean the skill itself needs to be nerfed.

Instead, you should make a QQ thread about noobs who need to l2play.


So you readily admit you can't read. Good, happy we got that out of the way. Yes I do know it has been here since the beginning, that still doesn't change the fact that it's causing the p/s to become a broken class. There is no reason that skill should be in game, I've said it from the beginning. It's a disgusting sign of player mentality when the majority of the "I don't know who to play any class, so I'll roll rogue/something or priest/scout so I can mash 1 button" players. 98% of all rogues and p/s are to lazy to play so they take the easiest class combo there is to make themselves feel epic. The only thing epic about it is their fail.

I've got my opinions, you have yours. I'm just sorry yours are wrong.

555

Sunday, September 9th 2012, 10:19pm

Quoted from "Ziav;569001"

So you readily admit you can't read. Good, happy we got that out of the way.

Oh, the irony.

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Yes I do know it has been here since the beginning, that still doesn't change the fact that it's causing the p/s to become a broken class.

So something that stays static and does not change from the very beginning...is somehow causing p/s to become a broken class? Your idiocy is amusing.

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There is no reason that skill should be in game, I've said it from the beginning. It's a disgusting sign of player mentality when the majority of the "I don't know who to play any class, so I'll roll rogue/something or priest/scout so I can mash 1 button" players. 98% of all rogues and p/s are to lazy to play so they take the easiest class combo there is to make themselves feel epic. The only thing epic about it is their fail.

98% of rogues and p/s don't know how to play - yet you're here QQing about them. Cry a bit more about people who don't know how to play. If they're they're actually killing you in siege...when they dont know how to play...then l2play.

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I've got my opinions, you have yours. I'm just sorry yours are wrong.

I've yet to hear any good, standalone opinions from you. All I see is QQ.


Answer me this: Whats your mdef? If it isn't even above 100k, don't bother replying to the thread anymore.

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Sunday, September 9th 2012, 10:20pm

Quoted from "Ziav;569001"

So you readily admit you can't read. Good, happy we got that out of the way. Yes I do know it has been here since the beginning, that still doesn't change the fact that it's causing the p/s to become a broken class. There is no reason that skill should be in game, I've said it from the beginning. It's a disgusting sign of player mentality when the majority of the "I don't know who to play any class, so I'll roll rogue/something or priest/scout so I can mash 1 button" players. 98% of all rogues and p/s are to lazy to play so they take the easiest class combo there is to make themselves feel epic. The only thing epic about it is their fail.

I've got my opinions, you have yours. I'm just sorry yours are wrong.


I'd say raves' reading comprehension is quite good, as that was an accuracte summary of your previous post.

Also great job of strawmanning anyone who plays a rogue or p/s, clearly they only chose that class because they don't know how to play any "real" classes and/or are lazy. /s

I'm just going to go ahead and ignore any further comments you make as they are probably just to troll and create silly arguments.
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Monday, September 10th 2012, 9:02am

I remember when this thread was so young... They grow up so fast sometimes. :(

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Monday, September 10th 2012, 9:34am

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I remember when this thread was so young... They grow up so fast sometimes. :(


Back when I cared about it, and raised it.. soon enough it will fly out of the nest and have it's own family.

It's funny how a mistake can turn into something that people cherish so dearly.

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Monday, September 10th 2012, 9:38am

Quoted from "Ravesden;568939"

This is what I read here: "Some morons dont know how to play, so nerf the skill they spam instead of healing!'


Then you wouldnt know that Iceblade, since chapter 1, has not changed at all. Only reason people QQ is because we have the option of choosing a 3rd class, and the m/p's or p/m's or p/k's who used to stay as those classes as their names, are now able to play p/s. Just because there are *more* of a class, doesn't mean the skill itself needs to be nerfed.

Instead, you should make a QQ thread about noobs who need to l2play.


skill hasnt changed but gear and magic damage/weapons have.

we all know how much weapons can change skills (think WA bow)
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Monday, September 10th 2012, 8:14pm

Quoted from "Cronrs;569055"

skill hasnt changed but gear and magic damage/weapons have.

we all know how much weapons can change skills (think WA bow)


Sorry, I didn't realize this was chapter 3 still and people walked around wielding bows with mdmg on them.

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