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i voted no nerf is nessicary but i wouldt be opposed to cutting the range to 170 or 150.and @ anyone that that thinks my ib hits hard wait im gonna start using rising tide with all casting time buffs hmmmmm it will hit 3 times as hard as ib and fully buffed .7 seconds per rt.now we will start seeing some mage/warlocks in siege at high level and geared which will cause ebi and others to start a new nerf thread.if you dont believe me check the skills for this class combo out.a 24 second dot plus casting while moving plus a skill that is spammable untill the target is dead.o and did i forget a casting speed buff from an attack..........
i must say way to many crybabies on these forums.nerfing causes nothing but more rage and qq.

Heck im still waiting on Excape to tell me what that list of skills like Iceblade he has, I mean he said he had them, why didn't he say then right there.

Quaffy, rogue having hide does not work as a counter argument, rogue can't instant heal, buff up a party, kite a group with shards of instant ice. Every class get benefits, Iceblade is a sub class benefit no other priest, hell no other player gets.

This will never be a fair debate because the OP forum users are directly affected by this. I like everyone here but you all stand to lose much if this skill Is given one single limitation. You all know m/p switch to p/s cause IB is OP. Remember you only hurt your soul when you lie to yourself and others. You're making the 6lb z Baby Jesus cry =[


Edit, I got escapes list and only one other skill has ever fit IB Criteria, that's s/k disarm, but people complained about it, and it got nerfed. Which means we need to QQ threads about IB!

I am in favor of seeing IB having its range reduced to 150-180, nothing else. The skill only needs a little tweek. RoM tends to go overboard when they try to "fix" things.

Damage reduction in siege? Be very careful what you wish for.

I don't really care if they are nerfed or not. However, it is entertaining to me that most every person defending P/S has picked up Scout as their 3rd class just to play P/S in siege.

It is simple really. In any MMO a character's highest dps skill is never instant cast with no cooldown, because if this was the case under no circumstances would you use any skill besides that skill. Your highest dps skill should either be a skill that requires built up rage, lots of focus or energy, a percent mana drain like Group Heal, a cooldown of at least 3 seconds like my earth surge, of a long cast bar like flame so that it is only your best skill once it is partnered with speed increases. I believe ice blade should recieve a three second cooldown and I believe it really shouldn't even be a discussion over it.

I would lol if they added a cast time to IB like they did to lightning sword. Then the P/S's will really be crying

I thought the other thread that was qqing was dying why resurrect it again?

Quoted from "SacredmagicMD;545523"

It is simple really. In any MMO a character's highest dps skill is never instant cast with no cooldown, because if this was the case under no circumstances would you use any skill besides that skill. Your highest dps skill should either be a skill that requires built up rage, lots of focus or energy, a percent mana drain like Group Heal, a cooldown of at least 3 seconds like my earth surge, of a long cast bar like flame so that it is only your best skill once it is partnered with speed increases. I believe ice blade should recieve a three second cooldown and I believe it really shouldn't even be a discussion over it.

ummm ice blade is not the highest dps skill rising tide is LOOK AT THE SKILLS BEFORE YOU POST A LIE. I have played p/s for 7 months.any real dps from this class comes from cast speed bufs and spamming rising tide.

Quoted from "timthum;545533"

ummm ice blade is not the highest dps skill rising tide is LOOK AT THE SKILLS BEFORE YOU POST A LIE. I have played p/s for 7 months.any real dps from this class comes from cast speed bufs and spamming rising tide.

Iceblade definately hits very hard though. I've been hit for 110k Iceblades. With the same Mdef, Fireball from other endgame mages only hits me for 70k at most, and fireball has a 5 sec CD. Its not the highest hitting skill, but its definately still one of the top 10 or so.

Quoted from "ruisen2000;545537"

Iceblade definately hits very hard though. I've been hit for 110k Iceblades. With the same Mdef, Fireball from other endgame mages only hits me for 70k at most, and fireball has a 5 sec CD. Its not the highest hitting skill, but its definately still one of the top 10 or so.

so double the dambe from rising tide i can get rt to a .7 second cast so if i was in an illusion i can pop you for 200k rt every.7 seconds.my point is ice blade is not the top dps skill for the p/s rising tide is.

Quoted from "timthum;545545"

so double the dambe from rising tide i can get rt to a .7 second cast so if i was in an illusion i can pop you for 200k rt every.7 seconds.my point is ice blade is not the top dps skill for the p/s rising tide is.

Then why don't p/$(cause they are money baby) go around hitting me with rising tide?

Quoted from "maomiai;545491"

Ice Blade is M.Dam DPS, I don't think there are any bows available with M.Dam, hence it'll be a big time nerf to base IB on ranged weapon damage (personally I'd welcome a bow with M.Dam for Healing Arrows).

Nice idea (whoever it was) about using a focus charge instead of 30MP charge per use, most elite skills utilise the secondary class energy source per usage. Although it can't be counted as an infinite energy pool, however, 30 MP cost per IB is a little too generous; even if stated as a mage and not healer, a P/S can easily get a +10k mana pool.

Nerfing Ice Blade damage will just make P/S' cry, there are some guilds who're overrun with P/S for SW, let them have their fun for an hour a day. P/S aren't a popular DPS class in instances for a reason > IB spam on bosses is .... let's say not that OP outside of sw.

Meh what are people complaining about anyway? Scouts have been hit the hardest and somehow I don't recall scouts crying half as much as any of the other classes pre/post scout nerf.

Well that's interesting because my iceblade cost more than 10x that 30mp you pulled out of the air. Or do you think that everyone is using a lv0 iceblade to kill people in siege? Also nerfing any class into the ground would make anyone who plays that class unhappy, sounds like common sense to me. Take away low blow and hide -> rogues cry, take away chiron -> wd/s cry, take away life link and EA -> p/k cry. See how silly saying things like this is? It's just an immature argument to be honest.

Also scouts did complain, and very loudly. I'm not a scout and I complained along with them too because of how far they took to changing the class. Maybe you didn't hear all of the scouts because many straight up quit the game and most of the others switched to r/s

Quoted from "regentego;545518"

Quaffy, rogue having hide does not work as a counter argument, rogue can't instant heal, buff up a party, kite a group with shards of instant ice. Every class get benefits, Iceblade is a sub class benefit no other priest, hell no other player gets.

I wasn't using rogue as a counter argument for IB. I'm not trying to make a "this thing is more OP than the other thing" type of argument. I quickly made a list of like 6 skills off the top of my head that have no equivalent on any other class, since you seem so determined to see a skill which is exactly like iceblade for some reason. Honestly I don't care that rogues can't heal themselves or if they can kite (even though r/s can kite as well, along with every class combo that has a /s on it).

Quoted from "regentego;545547"

Then why don't p/$(cause they are money baby) go around hitting me with rising tide?

because it isnt an instant cast like hide+lowblow+hide a very easy macro
wow just close this thread already nothing is getting acomplished.
66 pages of bs from all sides.nothing contructive in here either.

See Quaffy no other skill has the OP benefits IB does, the last one Runewaker nerfed it to oblivion, they saw disarm was OMFG, and spiked the ball on it. You all know IB is not matched by any other skill, that why you all play it in siege. You can't tell any other class combo "hey you got one of these skills too" you just can't, but you all try to run deflection "look over here a shiny object, rogue hide...umm nothing to see" IB IB IB "oops did I just kill you, oh feel bad cause you dps types should have lots of mdef stats, sure it's not fair, so eat immunes, yes you can't naturally beat me, but it's your fault not mine" p/$ straight ccash homie!

And Tim your macro would fail on any /k or a p/$ with defensive towers.

If I swap from P/s, with Ib at 72, to P/m with fireball at 69, (losing bow stats in the process), my fireball hits nearly as hard as ice blade, and icewind blade hits for 5k less, but hits twice. Ice blade Iceblade Iceblade from a PS is going to have the same result as fireball and icewind blade, plus give the P/m lightning to hold your buddy still, silence to keep your healer out of my way, and in addition to having rising tide to throw in if I want, I'll still have holy aura and soul source.

If I swap to M/p (70) fireball hits 10% harder on average than my iceblade, and I get a better shield.

Wow this thread is still open. I guess the mods are on summer holiday. >_>;

If I couldn't take this thread seriously before, then now I really can't. How about a bunch of intelligent PvPers get together and create a thread for all these PvE players to explain exactly how PvP is conducted in Runes of Magic. Some people here sound like they haven't PvP'd a day in their life. -_-;

At this point, if Ice Blade is the single skill that brings you down in combat, then frankly you deserve it. And the Priest can run right by your corpse singing "Lalala a Priest just killed you, how does it feel? Lalala " No nerf is needed...especially not on behalf of Rogue/Scouts. The community has made it pretty clear that a nerf isn't needed, as evidenced in previous threads and by the majority vote in the poll. Next person that wants to bring this topic up hoping to get different responses: don't. Just don't. You waste your time, you waste my time, you waste everybody's time. Just say no to repeat threads. *smh*
(And yes, this is my last post in this thread if you couldn't tell. I really hate redundancy.)

hmmmm its the exaxct same as saying stack more p def if a rogue hits you too hard. seriously look at the numbers before you talk.play the class combo before you say something needs a nerf bat and lastly LEARN TO PLAY AGAINST IT.let the flaming begin

Quoted from "regentego;545552"

See Quaffy no other skill has the OP benefits IB does, the last one Runewaker nerfed it to oblivion, they saw disarm was OMFG, and spiked the ball on it. You all know IB is not matched by any other skill, that why you all play it in siege. You can't tell any other class combo "hey you got one of these skills too" you just can't, but you all try to run deflection "look over here a shiny object, rogue hide...umm nothing to see" IB IB IB "oops did I just kill you, oh feel bad cause you dps types should have lots of mdef stats, sure it's not fair, so eat immunes, yes you can't naturally beat me, but it's your fault not mine" p/$ straight ccash homie!

And Tim your macro would fail on any /k or a p/$ with defensive towers.

haha, you're having way too much fun in here ebby =)

Basically the problem seems to be there is no incentive to stack mdef on anything cause who the hell wants wisdom when juicy stam also gives hp. Then the other problem is that in pvp, being able to do lots of quick instant attacks and having range is beneficial. Wheres in pve, being able to buff up and use several cooldowns to burn things is great. P/S hits the same with iceblade in nearly every scenerio, since it doesn't really have cooldowns to use like everyone else to boost iceblade dps in instances.

I didn't design the statting system which discourages min/max dpsers from statting mdef. I also didn't design the pvp system where fights end in like 1 second, so having range or stealth means everything. You want things to change or be balanced, address those two things first before taking apart every skill that you don't like. Cure the disease instead of trying to react to symptoms

Quoted from "regentego;545552"

See Quaffy no other skill has the OP benefits IB does, the last one Runewaker nerfed it to oblivion, they saw disarm was OMFG, and spiked the ball on it. You all know IB is not matched by any other skill, that why you all play it in siege. You can't tell any other class combo "hey you got one of these skills too" you just can't, but you all try to run deflection "look over here a shiny object, rogue hide...umm nothing to see" IB IB IB "oops did I just kill you, oh feel bad cause you dps types should have lots of mdef stats, sure it's not fair, so eat immunes, yes you can't naturally beat me, but it's your fault not mine" p/$ straight ccash homie!

And Tim your macro would fail on any /k or a p/$ with defensive towers.

Agree. as mentioned a hundred times in both of the current threads, with the exception of wind arrow there are no skills that are exactly like iceblade with instant cast and GCD.
The only other real damage skill P/s has is rising tide, is ignored for the same reason that most mages don't use flame, scouts don't snipe and other classes don't use skills with long casting times, there is very seldom time to get the cast completed, most often you start casting and someone hits you with an instant then you're either dead or interrupted.

And before it gets mentioned, shot and vamp arrow are not viable options for P/s for the same reason that melee classes don't stat wisdom or int, it does nothing for your primary and wastes a space you need for good stats.

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Agree. as mentioned a hundred times in both of the current threads, with the exception of wind arrow there are no skills that are exactly like iceblade with instant cast and GCD.

Mostly true, but Wind Arrow, while it has no cast time, has about the most travel time of any skill. I've literally waited two seconds apart from lag for a target to get hit. Focus runs out, and unlike Rogues, Scouts don't regen it fast while moving. (Aside from a 5 minute cooldown.)

But good luck spamming Wind Arrow against a P/S as any form of Scout.

Honestly, it's not even the PvP system that's necessarily at fault here, though that is a large portion of it. The problem is that most DPS classes have to stat differently for PvP and PvE, while M/P/S can combine their sets into one. Therefore they can afford optimal gear for both situations, while most other classes get screwed.