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Quoted from "Quaffy2;545548"

Well that's interesting because my iceblade cost more than 10x that 30mp you pulled out of the air. Or do you think that everyone is using a lv0 iceblade to kill people in siege?Also nerfing any class into the ground would make anyone who plays that class unhappy, sounds like common sense to me. Take away low blow and hide -> rogues cry, take away chiron -> wd/s cry, take away life link and EA -> p/k cry. See how silly saying things like this is? It's just an immature argument to be honest.

My bad over the mana useage for picking the figure from here, having said that 10x the cost of 30mp is what? 300 MP? even with a 10k mana pool a P/S can still cast for over 100 times without the need for mana regen, lets be generous and call it 20 x 30MP cost ... still over 50times. I don't recall suggesting a nerf on the P/S damage in my post or to increase cast time or a nerf in any form, I did however, compliment a poster's suggestion of utilizing the secondary class energy source for the usage of Ice Blade since P/S does have a scout secondary and it makes perfect sense to utilise that energy source in damage skills.... but ah wells all these points are invalid as you deem them immature.

Quoted from "Quaffy2;545548"

Also scouts did complain, and very loudly. I'm not a scout and I complained along with them too because of how far they took to changing the class. Maybe you didn't hear all of the scouts because many straight up quit the game and most of the others switched to r/s

I am a scout, I played S/D (I'm a D/S when I'm not dpsing) then picked rogue to play S/R and more recently S/Wd and nope I don't recall people crying that much, only ones who I recall QQing excessively are the ones who are bandwagon jumpers and rolled R/S after the nerf.

Quoted from "maomiai;545564"

My bad over the mana useage for picking the figure from here, having said that 10x the cost of 30mp is what? 300 MP? even with a 10k mana pool a P/S can still cast for over 100 times without the need for mana regen, lets be generous and call it 20 x 30MP cost ... still over 50times. I don't recall suggesting a nerf on the P/S damage in my post or to increase cast time or a nerf in any form, I did however, compliment a poster's suggestion of utilizing the secondary class energy source for the usage of Ice Blade since P/S does have a scout secondary and it makes perfect sense to utilise that energy source in damage skills.... but ah wells all these points are invalid as you deem them immature.

The immature part was saying p/s will cry/whine or whatever if anything changes. And btw, I don't think your math is working correctly.

In your example, 10k mana/300mp = 33 iceblades before OoM, not 100 casts. And in your generous 20x30mp cost, it would be 10,000/600= 16 iceblades. And you know those attacks may also include hitting faces of treachery, eyes of true knowledge, flame/electric towers, guards. You'd be suprised how many attacks are actually used in siege, not all of them are on players

For future reference, all the mana costs on that website are for unleveled skills, the cost goes up for each upgrade

Quoted from "maomiai;545564"

My bad over the mana useage for picking the figure from here, having said that 10x the cost of 30mp is what? 300 MP? even with a 10k mana pool a P/S can still cast for over 100 times without the need for mana regen, lets be generous and call it 20 x 30MP cost ... still over 50times. I don't recall suggesting a nerf on the P/S damage in my post or to increase cast time or a nerf in any form, I did however, compliment a poster's suggestion of utilizing the secondary class energy source for the usage of Ice Blade since P/S does have a scout secondary and it makes perfect sense to utilise that energy source in damage skills.... but ah wells all these points are invalid as you deem them immature.



I am a scout, I played S/D (I'm a D/S when I'm not dpsing) then picked rogue to play S/R and more recently S/Wd and nope I don't recall people crying that much, only ones who I recall QQing excessively are the ones who are bandwagon jumpers and rolled R/S after the nerf.

Just can't argue with a p/$ they are too desperate to hold onto IB the way it is, they will fight tooth a nail not to have to play mage in siege. And their guildies look at their kills and join them in the fight.

R/S should be looked at more than P/S should lol. Its not a surprise that the OP and Ebilone are not only from the same guild but both R/S. Lets start a thread on what nerfs THAT class combo needs.

Quoted from "regentego;545572"

Just can't argue with a p/$ they are too desperate to hold onto IB the way it is, they will fight tooth a nail not to have to play mage in siege. And their guildies look at their kills and join them in the fight.

Who cares if a m/p switched to p/s for siege? Lots of people have a combo for pve and one for pvp. How many m/w pve players do u see staying as m/w in pvp?

You are also ignoring the fact that the calculations from the person you are quoting were completely wrong...

Quoted from "Quaffy2;545569"

The immature part was saying p/s will cry/whine or whatever if anything changes. And btw, I don't think your math is working correctly.

In your example, 10k mana/300mp = 33 iceblades before OoM, not 100 casts. And in your generous 20x30mp cost, it would be 10,000/600= 16 iceblades. And you know those attacks may also include hitting faces of treachery, eyes of true knowledge, flame/electric towers, guards. You'd be suprised how many attacks are actually used in siege, not all of them are on players

For future reference, all the mana costs on that website are for unleveled skills, the cost goes up for each upgrade

Does your mana not regen in sw? So 16 iceblades and you're done until you die?

Quoted from "Quaffy2;545569"

The immature part was saying p/s will cry/whine or whatever if anything changes. And btw, I don't think your math is working correctly.

In your example, 10k mana/300mp = 33 iceblades before OoM, not 100 casts. And in your generous 20x30mp cost, it would be 10,000/600= 16 iceblades. And you know those attacks may also include hitting faces of treachery, eyes of true knowledge, flame/electric towers, guards. You'd be suprised how many attacks are actually used in siege, not all of them are on players

For future reference, all the mana costs on that website are for unleveled skills, the cost goes up for each upgrade

My sincere apologies for being bad at maths. Your point of

Quoted from "Quaffy2;545569"

You'd be suprised how many attacks are actually used in siege, not all of them are on players

..by this did you mean number of different skills or the number of the same skill cast (sorry I'm a P/S nub)....cos if it was a number of different skills used then you're right...I'm very surprised...

Quoted from "fajote;545581"

Does your mana not regen in sw? So 16 iceblades and you're done until you die?

Pretty much no, it doesnt. Mana regens at a super slow rate, once u run out, dying is pretty much the only way to get it back

Quoted from "maomiai;545583"

My sincere apologies for being bad at maths. Your point of ..by this did you mean number of different skills or the number of the same skill cast (sorry I'm a P/S nub)....cos if it was a number of different skills used then you're right...I'm very surprised...

Sorry, I mean the number of times any skill would be used. Since we were counting the number of iceblades that could be cast before theoretically running out. I just wanted to point out that targets vary and a player reach a high number of iceblades casted easily

Quoted from "Kefkai;545587"

Sorry to break it to you bud but if I can I'll play Wd/S, it's a lot more fun but if you get stuck vs Mage guilds it's very hard to play (especially with the lack of ability to remove roots, I have my pvp gloves, but I just have pvp gloves).

Anyways I'm gearing up a healer regardless, switched from my P/K to a D/W, wait someone can have more than one endgame toon?

So yeah, quit trolling, also Ebi quit trolling nub.

Wdn/S.. even better. Let's talk about how their pet can oneshot P/K's with 350K pdef shall we?

Quoted from "Borella;545588"

Wdn/S.. even better. Let's talk about how their pet can oneshot P/K's with 350K pdef shall we?

Oooh, and imagine if the damage reduction went through, and chiron still got to ignore defense and everything. OP wd/s everywhere, lol

Quoted from "LinkTheValiant;545561"

Mostly true, but Wind Arrow, while it has no cast time, has about the most travel time of any skill. I've literally waited two seconds apart from lag for a target to get hit. Focus runs out, and unlike Rogues, Scouts don't regen it fast while moving. (Aside from a 5 minute cooldown.)

But good luck spamming Wind Arrow against a P/S as any form of Scout.

Honestly, it's not even the PvP system that's necessarily at fault here, though that is a large portion of it. The problem is that most DPS classes have to stat differently for PvP and PvE, while M/P/S can combine their sets into one. Therefore they can afford optimal gear for both situations, while most other classes get screwed.

I have played in siege since it's introduction, and have seen hundreds if not more examples where I've died long before the animation hits me. I've been knocked down and a second later see a warrior charge me, I've dropped dead and halfway through sating 'what the' have magma blade come rolling over me. I've had my health drop to almost nothing and watch a fireball come in from the side. Every skill can beat travel time in PVE and PVP, it's so common that it an be considered normal.
I've been in siege as S/p and S/m as often as I've been in as P/x or M/x, and it's about 2 out of three times that I see my opponents HP drop long before the animation hits them.

Videos have been posted that show the same effect, oddly the most common argument about them is 'That's just lag, it doesn't work that way in siege or pvp'
Oh, right that explains it! We all know that lag isn't an issue in siege at all.

And seriously, how many other attacks does a scout have? wind arrow is only one of several (7?) instants, so they do not have to use that skill alone. If I'm in battle and some scout is only using wind arrow, I start to wonder if he power leveled or borrowed/bought the account.

If the P/s stats two sets they'll pay just as much as any other class combo. Priest mage and druid can all wear only cloth, but they don't get a discount for bulk purchase, any melee class can wear leather or cloth, and all but two can wear chain,and knights can wear any armor in the game, so melee actually has the advantage there.

Whatever class you play, you stat to meet your needs. If you want to do maximum damage, you don't stat the same as you would if you wanted to be a tank. A P/x can use mage gear and do very good damage, An X/p or X/d could use healer gear and do surprisingly good heals. A rogue stats like a rogue to do damage, A P/s stats like a mage to do damage, neither one of them stat like a knight.

There's really no point to this thread, its never gonna see a nerf, I mean look at the votes already...the priests would never vote to nerf it, and the people with tons of p/s in their guild sure don't want it nerfed either. You want a true nerf for it? Make it so the more they spam it the less their heals do, they wanna play like a damn mage, let them, but you're not gonna sit there and spam heal yourself either little button mashers.

Quoted from "Kefkai;545587"

Sorry to break it to you bud but if I can I'll play Wd/S, it's a lot more fun but if you get stuck vs Mage guilds it's very hard to play (especially with the lack of ability to remove roots, I have my pvp gloves, but I just have pvp gloves).

Anyways I'm gearing up a healer regardless, switched from my P/K to a D/W, wait someone can have more than one endgame toon?

So yeah, quit trolling, also Ebi quit trolling nub.

Trolling me? Why would I troll over weight people with bad skin, p/$ straight cash homie, make it rain Iceblades!

Quoted from "niburian;545595"

, but you're not gonna sit there and spam heal yourself either little button mashers.

I ROFLMFAO.......hurt my elbow too....ROFL.

Now lets have some crackers and cheese to go with the whine and close this thread too.

Quoted from "dexhunterz;545579"

R/S should be looked at more than P/S should lol. Its not a surprise that the OP and Ebilone are not only from the same guild but both R/S. Lets start a thread on what nerfs THAT class combo needs.

LOL, and that comeback was even from a R/S. So i guess not all R/S are whiny little babies.

I was starting to think I would have to quit playing my R/S as well, that I have had since chapter 1, in order not to be labeled as a WLB. At least there is hope out there, now I realize that I am the only one not worrying too much about a different magic class combo that can kill the ill-prepared WLB.

jeebus you guys still at it? wheres my damn popcorn. nomnomnomnom

actually im surprised how well behaved these 41 threads have been lately...bored people are cranky people. and we are bored. they need to nerf mages' silence. god i hate mages... so rude! with my ping i couldnt silence a dead hamster first >< oh p/d too..nerf them. err p/s

at least wardens got nerfed...their elite that forced relogging in siege was annoying. s/wd i think got shafted but damn, why m/k? we like the retard down the street..you dont go kick him on the way to school :/