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Imo the warden didn't deserve any nerf at all. GL

good, since when did a warden class deserve plate and such massive defense over a knight?
It wasent fair to begin with.

Quoted from "Bakken;546355"

good, since when did a warden class deserve plate and such massive defense over a knight?
It wasent fair to begin with.

Since when do you think you can go around deciding what is fair, versus what isn't? Have you actually played a warden?

Quoted from "Bakken;546355"

good, since when did a warden class deserve plate and such massive defense over a knight?
It wasent fair to begin with.

Guess you were left out of the loop but the devs claimed they would give knigh an Over hual after they did it for the wardens. I play k/w and ya i was originaly upset when wd/w was able to tank with 2hs and my class never recieved a boost. However, I found that the knights still can out tank a wd/w end game do to the amount of damage mitigation that we get. I also play wd/w and of the two wd/w is more universal but my k/w is still the better tank in the exact same gear minsus weapons which knight was using a tier 7 OD sword of fear and the wardens was using a non tiered OD giant tyda axe. So really all the devs did was undo the fixes they originaly gave to warden and made next to nothing of an attempt to fix knights. Ok so k/m did get some nice fixes but the k/p really suck in game.

i hope that they simply undo all the wardens changes they just made otherwise they are basicly the same as knights are now. W/k can tank. R/k can also tank. Heck I have even seen s/k and p/k tank. So I guess the warden is to become a dead class like knights and only be a secondary class.

Quoted from "LadyMacV;546358"

Since when do you think you can go around deciding what is fair, versus what isn't? Have you actually played a warden?

yes I do have a warden

and you cant seriously think wardens should have more pdef then knights....

Quoted from "Bakken;546355"

good, since when did a warden class deserve plate and such massive defense over a knight?
It wasent fair to begin with.

Wd/W was a tank just like any K/X or W/K. Wardens can't equip shields, so an extra pdef boost was needed, but there were still downsides to using a Wd/W over a knight. Nothing was imbalanced about a single warden combo being able to tank. They re-made the class so it COULD tank, and now they just took that away. That isn't fair.

Quoted from "Bakken;546361"

yes I do have a warden

and you cant seriously think wardens should have more pdef then knights....

From personal experience if a warden has more deff then and equal geared knight for tanking then you do not know how to stat or choose your won gear. wd/x does not by pass any of the knights in deff if they are equiping the same amount of gearing. The only thing a wd/x can bypass us in is dps and that is about it. So more or less you claim them getting nerfed is fair........well simple now that they are nerfed good chance knight will not ever recieve that intended fix.

O right the warden can match a knight once in a whilefor deff by poping their 50 elite

Quoted from "Bakken;546361"

yes I do have a warden

and you cant seriously think wardens should have more pdef then knights....

If they stat for it, then why not?

That's the thing. If a warden wants to stat so that he/she is all but impossible for physical classes or bosses to kill, then that's their choice. They sacrifice a lot for doing so, but it shouldn't negate the option they were trying to take. They statted to be almost unkillable for physical classes- which is not to say that they statted with tanking in mind. But they should absolutely have the option to do that.

In any case, this doesn't exactly come as a shock. Runewaker's up to their usual "reroll to the newest class and spend more money on it" tricks.

Wow Screw me, I just rerolled my knight to wd/w......

It's not like Wd/w's were replacing Knights.. Knights are still the Number 1 best tanking class. There was no reason to nerf WARDENS of all classes, WARDENS?

you guys know im talking only of wd/w because of the +135% pdef buff to knights 62.5

champion with its crazy pdef in shield form JUST matches the warden and that is just stupid. Not to mention the HP increase.

Quoted from "Bakken;546355"

good, since when did a warden class deserve plate and such massive defense over a knight?
It wasent fair to begin with.

wd/w does not have more pdef than a knight does, sure with defensive formation and coat of arms they do, but thats only for 30 sec, warden "deserves" to wear plate because there is no elf that can tank otherwise.

Quoted from "Bakken;546355"

good, since when did a warden class deserve plate and such massive defense over a knight?
It wasent fair to begin with.

+1

Honestly a Knight's enhanced armor is like what +60% pdef? Wardens can get like over 100% pdef buff... didn't sound fair. Either boost knight's pdef increase to 100% as well or lower warden's pdef buff to 60ish. One or the other and I guess they picked the latter.

Quoted from "SeanD123;546409"

clearly neither of u have played warden or knight u would know that knight can get more pdef because it can use shield...

Yup you're right. I haven't and don't plan on it. I was simply evaluating a warden skill versus a knight skill - not the overall Pdef. Obviously a knight is supposed to have more pdef than a warden since wardens have way more immunity settings compared to knights. Would it be fair for a warden to have equal / close to equal pdef along with all their "immune to first 3 hits" and "absorb 10% hp's damage" etc etc? No.

http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/490171/shield-mastery please learn the game

sheilds are about 70k-100k pdef fully buffed with every pdef buff

Warden/warrior was never an OP class, each tank class had it strengths.

I gotta link to my previous post >.>

Quoted from "pwnsnoobs;546380"

Wardens/warrrior never out pdeffed knights lol, and btw warden/warrrior were meant to be the elf TANKS, we were supposed to have high pdef like them cause were BOTH tanks. But now were broken and missing 42% pdef fully buffed went from 380k to 267k fully buffed in this patch.

And like said were both tanks, one class has to out pdef the other, whether we like it or not, but going from where we were to where we are now............. broken is only word possible here.

Also, the most pdef tank in game is the warrior/knight, derp.

Quoted from "L3g3nd;546402"

+1

Honestly a Knight's enhanced armor is like what +60% pdef? Wardens can get like over 100% pdef buff... didn't sound fair. Either boost knight's pdef increase to 100% as well or lower warden's pdef buff to 60ish. One or the other and I guess they picked the latter.

Knights have EA 62.5% ... plus a knight primary that boosts the shields PDEF by 63%

20k pdef sheild = ~35k pdef then 62.5% on top ~57k pdef

Quoted from "pwnsnoobs;546413"

http://www.runesdatabase.com/skill/490171/shield-mastery please learn the game

sheilds are about 70k-100k pdef fully buffed with every pdef buff

Warden/warrior was never an OP class, each tank class had it strengths.

I gotta link to my previous post >.>

Lol of course not. Read my last post.

If wardens had even close to a knight's pdef along with all their immunities, I think I wouldn't even bother trying to take on one of them in sw.