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Really? They can give this skill to someone else?

Quoted from "AllHailMacbeth3;546450"

Did you guys even see that d/wd can give briar shield to anybody before making these outrageous changes?
now everything /k can have enhanced armor AND briar shield.

Either make it to where the pdef boost is warden primary only, or get rid of the d/wd skill, its cool that /wd classes can have a bit extra pdef now, but with d/wd everyone can have it, something needs to be done.

Before we start demanding nerfs....there aren't many d/wd healers who run instances for a reason. Druid healers in popularity and effectiveness tends to run D/S (great healing elites except for the 50/50 one) > D/W (good physical DPS buff/group heal) > D/M (good aoe regen /buff for tank)> D/Wd (good buff for magical DPS and so-so heals) > D/R (played it and it's not that amazing to heal with...maybe for magical DPS I'm not too sure). Besides Enhanced Briar Shield can only be cast on 1 target at any one time so unless you plan on making an army of D/Wds to wait outside dungeons to buff party runs every 15mins then no D/Wds are not OP and enjoying a sudden rise in popularity.

Quoted from "AllHailMacbeth3;546463"

You can give it to everyone, and all you need is a lvl 50 d/wd alt, im pretty sure i know what im talking about, or i wouldnt bring it up.

You can't give it to everyone, I'm a D/S/Wd (72/72/72) and have used this skill before. Here's a screenshot of the skill in case you feel the urge to waste your time to level one to prove me wrong.




(edit: copy of the warden general skill and also the d/wd elite which allows briar to be cast on another target)

Quoted from "maomiai;546464"

You can't give it to everyone, I'm a D/S/Wd (72/72/72) and have used this skill before. Here's a screenshot of the skill in case you feel the urge to waste your time to level one to prove me wrong.

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(edit: copy of the warden general skill and also the d/wd elite which allows briar to be cast on another target)

uhhh i have a twink d/wd and i used to buff my entire guild before siege so idk what your taking about

Quoted from "flare624;546470"

uhhh i have a twink d/wd and i used to buff my entire guild before siege so idk what your taking about

When cast on a second target before the Briar runs out, the buff on the first target disappears this is an observation I've noticed from actually playing D/Wd and also reading the skill description so I also don't know what you're talking about.

Since I like to get my money's worth for buying fraps, here is a demo for you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h89deZbCkaU

I see your proof and I don't doubt it but just today, I had a d/wd buff my entire party with briar shield before we did WA. Maybe its a bug that you can't buff yourself after giving it to others but the d/wd definately buffed 5 people with Briar Shield and left party for us to 5 man WA. Maybe a bit more testing with multiple people and not buffing yourself with it.

U can buff a entire Raid if u want, the think about Briar shield is just buff and zone out and buff other target again.

So the change to the ability has broken the way it works. Why call for a nerf on a broken ability?

Quoted from "Gilderoi;546614"

So the change to the ability has broken the way it works. Why call for a nerf on a broken ability?

Now knights and champions can have 32.5% more pdef, do you see nothing wrong with that in terms of balance?

The easiest fix to this would just be to make it so that Enhanced Armor and Briar don't stack; also make it so Champions can't have it while they are in defense mode, that should fix the problem.

Quoted from "Kefkai;546616"

Now knights and champions can have 32.5% more pdef, do you see nothing wrong with that in terms of balance?

The easiest fix to this would just be to make it so that Enhanced Armor and Briar don't stack; also make it so Champions can't have it while they are in defense mode, that should fix the problem.

I would never call for a nerf on a class's elite ability. It is what makes them special. So what if a D/WD could buff any tank and give it a boost to PDef? Well any tank but a warden one....

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You want to make the lesser line match the greater line by taking away from the greater line? That is the wrong way to look at things. Look what that thinking has just done to wardens in general.....

Quoted from "Gilderoi;546619"

I would never call for a nerf on a class's elite ability. It is what makes them special. So what if a D/WD could buff any tank and give it a boost to PDef? Well any tank but a warden one....

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You want to make the lesser line match the greater line by taking away from the greater line? That is the wrong way to look at things. Look what that thinking has just done to wardens in general.....

I don't think you realize that any /K or any Knight or Champ doesn't need the defensive boost (Knight needs a DPS Boost not a Defense Boost), it makes Warden weaker as a class by comparison so not only do Wardens get nerfed one of their primary buffs is able to be given to another class, it was ok when it was a 5% reflect because I mean that's not the same at all as giving a huge buff to defense.

Right now there's no reason to play a Warden, plenty of reason to play a /Wd, but taking away any ability a Warden has to tank and giving their abilities to other classes just doesn't make sense in this context since essentially Heart of the Oak was partially replaced by the upgrade to the Briar.

I don't know why you wouldn't want this skill changed this was changed as of this patch to include the defense...

By making the skill castable to another target by d/wd is not taking anything away from the warden class. This elite was pretty much worthless before. Now it has some value. You want to now take this away from druids because of how nerfed wardens have become? That's not a good way to look at things.

I am just as upset as everyone else about the nerfs handed down to the warden class because I am a warden. All my alts are wardens. But I am not going to ask an elite be nerfed for druids because my class just got hit with a nerf bat and they got one single ability that has some value.

Again, how many druid/wardens do you know? How many of them exist to make this such an unfair advantage given to knights and champions? You make it sound like every knight and champion is going to be running around with a pocket druid/warden.

Quoted from "Gilderoi;546626"

By making the skill castable to another target by d/wd is not taking anything away from the warden class. This elite was pretty much worthless before. Now it has some value. You want to now take this away from druids because of how nerfed wardens have become? That's not a good way to look at things.

I am just as upset as everyone else about the nerfs handed down to the warden class because I am a warden. All my alts are wardens. But I am not going to ask an elite be nerfed for druids because my class just got hit with a nerf bat and they got one single ability that has some value.

Again, how many druid/wardens do you know? How many of them exist to make this such an unfair advantage given to knights and champions? You make it sound like every knight and champion is going to be running around with a pocket druid/warden.

What is the only tank ability that's now unique to Wd, having a pet that gives 20% pdef, that's it.

Also you can have alts to buff yourself people do all the time, I have a Druid Alt that I bring into siege D/W/Wd, I generally play it on the D/W side but once I start playing it normally I'm gonna be playing it D/Wd because of the defense buff, there's going to be a whole lot of D/Wds purely due to that (it's going to be similar to P/K in nature)

I like the buff to D/Wd that allows it to finally be a useful class (you know besides being able to buff the Mdmg of others), my friend also has a D/Wd alt that he brings into siege to buff his Mdmg up.

But let me put it this way, if everyone can have something it's not special, it only hurts Warden because it raises the upper limit of defense for other tanks (making it easier for them) and harder for Warden to catch up.

Also I laugh if you really think that there aren't going to be tanks that make D/Wd alts just for the buff, it lasts 15 minutes that's half the duration of a Rice Cake for about the same amount of defense (actually more), seriously have you never heard of buffing alts?

Just for a comparison in pdef.. champions still have 112% def buffs and d/wd elites can be casted on them for additional dpdef boost that becomes thats about 2.82 times base pdef while wardens have now about 1.59 times base pdef that's a 1.77 times increase in favor of champion. And at the same time knights can also reach close to champion pdef with use of shield even more as a k/s.

Ok ... I get it... Lets just nerf every class in the game so they are all as worthless as the next and Runes of Magic just dies all together. You want to cry for a nerf to another class, well look what the crying has done to the warden. Now you want other classes to feel the same.

Quoted from "Gilderoi;546634"

Ok ... I get it... Lets just nerf every class in the game so they are all as worthless as the next and Runes of Magic just dies all together. You want to cry for a nerf to another class, well look what the crying has done to the warden. Now you want other classes to feel the same.

Man you're persistant, a nerf is when a skill has generally been in the game a long time and hasn't changed at all, a balance is when a skill was recently changed and needs to be altered to accommodate to the rest of the game play.

The skill was buffed so you don't think it's OP? I suppose you don't think that the current Charged Chop is OP either (especially on W/Wd, hey now a ton of elites on a bunch of Wd/X classes and X/Wd classes are obsolete because of it), they seem like they're far from finished with balancing Warden. I don't know why they made so many changes because as is it sucks, a lot of the changes this patch had a lack of forsight you can see from the lack of Warden Tanking abilities, you can see by this skill, there are a number of things that scream that whoever developed this patch didn't really think things through, hell Throw and Combo Throw are waaaay too powerful right now and need to be toned down, it was a good start but they do too much damage.

I mean you admit that the Developers aren't flawless why do you think that this change had forethought in it at all?

Also why do you think that this has anything to do with people crying over skills, if it had been people complaining about skills and feedback from players we'd probably be seeing some kind of reaction in terms of two popular combos that people like to complain about. Hell, if this were about skills and feedback from players Chiron would have been fixed so that he doesn't avoid PvP damage modifiers.

Also, I will play D/Wd regardless of that skill, it's like P/K it has more defense so it makes siege easier and healing ripple is sort of an interesting skill, the only reason that I'd think that anyone would try to defend D/Wd is because they want to use the buff themselves so that they can tank things that are higher than their gear level would permit.

This patch has more capabilities of creating imbalance than balancing wardens. Of course it has given more dps capability to warden than before but interfering with general skills will create a lot of problems.
with w/wd you dont need to use any skills other than charged chop now. r/wd can now easily over dps any r/s after burn phase is over. s/wd charged chop is broken right now but after fix it will become a beast class again leaving all other dps classes useless. D/wd elite will make wd/w(even if its fixed in next patches) less needed when new instances come out.
And many more things which only time will tell.

Fixing(braking actually) a working class on priority when new classes dont even have set skills and many unimplemented features seems complete nonsense.