Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "dexhunterz;547022"

I hope all Wardens were calling for a nerf of Iceblade lol. You may know how it is to not be on the most OP toon as Wardens, but you have now felt what the nerfbat feels like.

Gosh people only think about themselves. They're going to fix it on Tuesday, so why not focus on that instead of thinking it's okay if someone feels the same misery as you. This community is full of people quick to want to nerf everyone else just because they are frustrated with the current changes. Adjustment and moderation is key, not nerfing.

I agree with Nytefall. Im gonna wait and see what changes come next week and see what happens.


I admit the charged chop without cooldown is really useful. The POTWS as an AOE I am not to sure about and the Frantic Briar with a cooldown isnt effective at all in my case. The passive Will Attack is the same as Frantic Briar. I miss having the ability to hit a ton of mobs compared to just 2 or 3.

Quoted from "Blkkntdave;547021"

Calling all WARDENS!! Lets make these devs/whoever know that what they have done is WRONG!!

I want my SKILLS back. There was no need or reason for these changes, if any1 has a legit reason to nerf us back to the days of chapter 3 then please let me know. Only one change that was needed was to Charged Chop it need to be fixed a long time ago.

You took away one of our most useful AoE's. 12 sec cool down on Frantic Briar... might as well add that cooldown to Purg or any other spamable aoe by any other class. Frantic Briar for me as a wrd/m tank was the best way to crowd control. Sure its now instant but a 12 sec cool down REALLY?

I'm almost done with this game, makes me sad to spend all this time and money on a game and i have pride in my character. I played a warden from chapter 2 so I've been thru a lot of crap and in chapter 4 we finally got some respect now we are going back to corner where all the bad step children are sent.

I welcome all input but until you walk thru 3 chapters as a Warden then don't flame.

Just don't play your Wrd/W side until they fix it in a patch, problem solved, less QQing for everyone. Frantic Briar was waaaaaaaay too OP before this patch, this made it like any other warrior aoe. Learn how to use it or get over it. You got two new spammable attacks, one a minor aoe, try to learn how to use them?

Um, Dave? Apparently you were MIA when we ran into one of the better-geared Wardens spamming FB in siege. Devastating, really. FB needed a fix, though I decline to comment on the alleged severity of it so far. I seem to recall that when Tiger was active, he spammed FB whenever possible, when surrounded by groups of soon-to-be-dead opponents. You may recall that he called himself a "weapon of mass distraction". He was also a "target attractor". Got himself killed a lot, but took many with him.

Remember that there's another patch scheduled for next week that's supposed to address some of the nerfage to Wardens.

Glad you're feeling better. And use duct tape on the kids...

Quoted from "Blkkntdave;547149"

Really Dex? Mr R/S, MR i just use Low blow and maybe Wound attack, Mr Ill pop into hide and shank you in the back and ignore all your pdef, Mr First one to Cry when they get around to throwing the nerf bat at rogues. I started playing a Warden and will always play a warden. I have a lvl 70 rogue cause once u hit lvl cap it gets a bit boring to just grind everyday. I know what Rogues can do and i wont be happy when they get the Nerf bat thrown at them. Cause at the end of the day, if my warden cant go somewhere i always get asked to bring to my rogue for his burst dps. No Warden in their right mind has ever asked for a nerf on any other class and if they did its cause they cant play the warden right. I have never called for an IB nerf and i never will. Cause when played right like i do Wrd/MAGE can stop any spell caster and then i have time to get in range and chop their face off. Nuff said...

I think everyone missed my point. The point was that everyone wants this nerfed and that nerfed, but when the nerfbat comes around, its not fun at all. Ive never once said that r/s shouldnt be nerfed. of course it should. SLice combat master in half. That will pretty much be all thats needed pve-wise. As far as hide goes, you cant really nerf hide. Its what rogues do. You may as well start asking to have priests heals nerfed and tanks tanking ablility nerfed haha.

Quoted from "Malignatus;547302"

Um, Dave? Apparently you were MIA when we ran into one of the better-geared Wardens spamming FB in siege. Devastating, really. FB needed a fix, though I decline to comment on the alleged severity of it so far. I seem to recall that when Tiger was active, he spammed FB whenever possible, when surrounded by groups of soon-to-be-dead opponents. You may recall that he called himself a "weapon of mass distraction". He was also a "target attractor". Got himself killed a lot, but took many with him.

Remember that there's another patch scheduled for next week that's supposed to address some of the nerfage to Wardens.

Glad you're feeling better. And use duct tape on the kids...

Clearly u didnt have any mages on ur side if u were getting dominated by a warden in pvp all it takes is 1 lightning and 1 flame which works even if i cast banish on the mage before the cast of flame finishes somehow.. ALSO important note is to NOT standing near the warden while it casts its FB which has a pretty long cast time for pvp...

Im still waiting until they fix it. All I know is I got slaughtered in SW tonight where as before I would have had a decent chance to at least beaten some of the opposing guilds members. The OP Frantic Briar would have definitely have helped against all the Ice Blades I saw tonight.

Quoted from "dexhunterz;547411"

You may as well start asking to have priests heals nerfed and tanks tanking ablility nerfed haha.

errr, the latter has already happened. annnd, oh yea, priests did take a arrow to the knee, last balancing round if i remember right. they have recovered well, as i am sure wardens will, rogues however, probably would not recover from any kind of nerf. say, a dex nerf? oh wait, noone builds dex rogues anymore, do they/?

Here's what I don't get- Wardens just got completely rebalanced in Chapter 4, and pretty much everyone was thrilled silly about it. No one was complaining; wardens and non-wardens rejoiced because such a fail class finally (FINALLY!) got the love it needed.

So, if everyone was happy, WHY ON EARTH would they go and more or less reinvent wardens AGAIN?

This is the main objection my guild's main warden has. He spent two years learning his class (he was wd/m all through Chapter 3, and went wd/w gleefully in Chap 4) and all of a sudden he finds all his go-to skills redefined. Poor kiddo hasn't logged on since patch day, and I don't blame him.

Even assuming they fix wd/w's tanking ability on Tuesday next, it doesn't justify Runewaker fooling around with the class for no apparent reason. Jeebus, who was it who had the signature that said, "Runewaker's Motto: It's not broken, let's fix that!" That's what they've done, and as someone upthread pointed out, not just to wardens. D/S and R/D both got broken skills rebroken in new and interesting ways. My poor d/s is going d/wd now- how messed up is that really? I mean, hey, I get an mdam buff out of it, so I'm not complaining too hard, but seriously, why would you "fix" a skill just to break it worse?

Now, we can argue and fuss and fight amongst ourselves when it comes to which skills and classes are OP and need a nerf- but literally NO ONE was complaining about wardens. Cause they WEREN'T BROKEN, in any way (well, except for maybe Chiron in PvP, and they didn't address that at all, and Chiron is an inconvenience, he doesn't deserve the nerf bat either).

When will they learn to do minor tweaks to individual skills instead of tossing whole classes into the industrial blender?

And @whoever was saying that wd/w's should just play whatever their other class is for a week- um, well, the vast majority of wd/w's have spent lots of time and dias modding plate gear for tanking. Why not tell a knight "Gee Bob, why don't you just try and dps for a week with your 40k pattack and 200k hp? You'll be fine! No, really!" It's not really doable for wd/w to just up and turn themselves into a dps class since they have gear that's just as specialized as any knight's.

The saddest thing is, wd/w already had to struggle to tank. While their great pdef and excellent single-target aggro made them good in boss fights, they relied on Frantic Briar to grab pats, and three seconds was a heck of a long time for them to have to wait to scoop up a whole patrol, and it made tanking trash hard for them. Making it an instant cast is fine, but 12 seconds is an insanely long time to expect a tank to be able to hold aggro on a group without losing some mobs. Replacing that AoE with one that only hits three mobs, in an era when patrols can have 8 mobs- isn't going to cut it.

Wardens already struggled tanking trash before- now it's impossible (unless they know something I don't, I won't claim to be a warden expert) and giving them back their lost pdef isn't going to solve that problem.

This is somewhat off-topic, but it seems like Runewaker is afraid of allowing any one class to excel at tanking both single targets and multiple mob patrols, and I think that's idiotic. Look at poor Knights- they have significantly less aggro gen than w/k's, Champions or Wardens (especially after this "buff")- but they excel at large trash pulls. Warrior/knights, champions and wardens can all hold a boss better than knights, but they all also struggle with trash. I'm not saying that these classes can't tank- obviously they all do. But there's really no good reason to single knights out for bad aggro gen, or deny good CC to the other tanking classes. Each and every tank class in RoM should be able to do both.

So, to Runewaker- WTF guys? We need our wardens to still be wardens, and we need our wd/w's able to actually tank, and tanking is more than just holding aggro on a boss and living through his attacks. If you have a yearning to fix things, please try and fix the things that are ACTUALLY BROKEN first. Please see the Knight class for a good example. Or maybe wander down the Varanas bridge and talk to Lieve. -_-

Long post is long.

I'm a warden.

But to have the possibility to spamming 2 Frantic Briars every second was WAY OP!
Our defense buff was also WAY OP!
Chiron in pvp...

Actualy i really like the changes they made to the warden, it's way less boring now.
No more recasting pet etc. for buffs.
More combo's with warden are now possible

They only need to fix some elites (especialy for wd/w)
and alter the cooldown of the new Charged Chop/Power of the Woods Spirit

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;547476"

This is somewhat off-topic, but it seems like Runewaker is afraid of allowing any one class to excel at tanking both single targets and multiple mob patrols, and I think that's idiotic. Look at poor Knights- they have significantly less aggro gen than w/k's, Champions or Wardens (especially after this "buff")- but they excel at large trash pulls. Warrior/knights, champions and wardens can all hold a boss better than knights, but they all also struggle with trash. I'm not saying that these classes can't tank- obviously they all do. But there's really no good reason to single knights out for bad aggro gen, or deny good CC to the other tanking classes. Each and every tank class in RoM should be able to do both.

Actually i like this philosofy, different tank classes all with there own speciality. Otherwise we would have 1 tank class, 1 dps class and 1 healer class which would be boring and a BIG FAIL!
If you want a 1 size fits all tank class... it shouldn't excel at all points (from balance perpective), but that would also be a fail because we all wannabe best at something, otherwise the Battlemonk would have been the most played class, and not the R/S...


So if they fix some elites (especialy for wd/w)
and alter the cooldown of the new Charged Chop/Power of the Woods Spirit
the wardens would be verry balanced, versatel and fun class to play (imho)

Quoted from "Blkkntdave;547543"

We were well balanced before this nerf, now we are completely broke again. ANYWAYS I STILL DARE ANY1 TO SHOW ME A POST STATING HOW WARDENS NEEDED A NERF OR WHERE WARDENS WERE OP...

idk I've always said wardens were super OP since the day they came out.

A single class having magical AoEs, 1v1 melee, ridiculous pets that you can send out untouchable behind walls, ability to wear plate with massive defense increase(wd/w only), heals/pet sacrafice, phy dmg repel (i've killed myself a few times attacking high hp wardens)

It's quite a lot for a single class you gotta admit, that being said its not easy to play either.

edit- WOOT to the rogue throw buff :3

What ShaWalker said. Warden before this tweaking was soooo boring. It got turned into a spam queen with the changes from Chapter 4, but this made the Wardens more like Chapter 3 Wardens again, only this time they actually work​.

Quoted from "tmblake09;547584"

What ShaWalker said. Warden before this tweaking was soooo boring. It got turned into a spam queen with the changes from Chapter 4, but this made the Wardens more like Chapter 3 Wardens again, only this time they actually work​.

LOL they *actually work?* try tanking gch or toshh pats without healer diein every pull with the new warden. And also if u say ch4 warden was nothing but a spam queen clearly u or the person that played warden didnt play it correctly cuz my scrut never had any skill above 30% dmg will attack and double chop and neither of those are spammable did more dmg than frantic for me anyways.

I'm guessing the spam queens where the none wd/w? Guess what, warden is still a spam queen, just can't spam frantic briar. Just choose what instant cast you want to use. Making them like chapter 3 again? Not even close. Chapter 3 warden was way more fun than this instant cast boredom that it has become.