Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "vfwiffo;559837"

This is like epeen thread, aint it. "Oh, yeah, well I run Tosh with DOD statted gear". "Pshaw, I run it in dirty statted DOD gear". "You guys are such newbs. I run tosh in quest gear. And it was underdura too."

Some people get better use of their gear than others. Two toons of same class and similar gear can generate very different amount of DPS. Yes, one player is better than other one, being able to take better advantage of buffs, keep better track of battlefield situation, have better rotation, etc. That does not mean everyone can do it. A person who plays his toon to 80%-85% of his capacity may need the gear from instance (and stats from better instance) to clear instance. Or maybe he is in small guild and can't quite master getting a run with 11 other OP toons.

Sure, there is a point at which you can say "L2P, noob" and be justified in your assessment of player's current capability. There are some people who are bad at this. C students or worse. But, for many B, B+ or A- players, what OP is asking for is not at all unreasonable and saying "well, I could do better with what gear you have" is rather elitist epeen display.

Agreed, and borella you should check out some of the lower population servers like palnque and see how the lack of abls has dmgd our in game economy. Also Rusty what if you're an F+ student like me

Lack of abl actually makes you play the game to gear up? Now you cant just farm dog meat and then buy better gear? Has this game really become full of so many whiners?

Quoted from "dexhunterz;559983"

Lack of abl actually makes you play the game to gear up? Now you cant just farm dog meat and then buy better gear? Has this game really become full of so many whiners?

Your obviously not endgame...go play...go gearup!
Don't whine about how others want to play. Some don't have 20hrs a day. He already stated that his guild doesn't have people enough. Considering only one guild on Artemis is running endgame (maybe 2 or 3 others that could but a matter of gathering when everyone maybe online and can afford to try)

Ok.

I get why people want to buy their gear. They don't have enough time to go farm it, they don't have enough people to go run for it, etc. etc. Others have one or the other, and are willing to trade an ABL+ the cost of materials and a little profit to get it to others.

Thus, the ABL sale facilitates the economy a bit. Players can now run for more gear, which they'll use to progress through the next few instances.

Only one problem: The in game populations are so low that guilds are starting to keep gear for their guild members only, making it next to impossible for anyone not in a particular guild at a particular level to get the gear they need to progress. Even an ABL sale will not guarantee that the gear you're after will get put in the AH.

Yes, Borella runs in an endgame guild. One of about two left on Reni. I run in the same guild. I have some endgame gear- not all of it is. I'm mostly X runed, I'm Hero/Crim/Glory/Bunker statted. I've done TOSH and AC until my eyes bled. VN too, along with RT, SC, GCH... if you can name it, I've probably been in there at one point or another.

One of the biggest issues with expecting to be able to buy gear on the AH is that it assumes two things: (a) there is someone who is willing to sell the gear you're looking for, and (b) the item will be able to be unbound to be sold.

An abl sale fixes problem two. It does not solve the first issue. And that's why, IMHO, you're better off spending a little bit of time to try to run for the gear yourself- you may not be able to get anyone else to do it for you.

Well two sides to the coin here, those of us without the time or people in our guilds want to buy gear, the other side is the guilds like PPK who I know burn through Phoenix redemptions running Tosh, they want to make gold for their time. They need ABLs to sell that gear.

You take the ABLs out and PPK isn't going to run nearly as much cause frankly there is no reward, also what abls they have are not gonna be used on 20 million gold items, they are going to save them for the 80 mil gold items. That or all the gear becomes inflated. Prior to chapter 5 I saw ppk just clearing out their bags "Jenny's gear 10 mil your ABL"

Diamond prices were down and gear prices were down, and Gameforge did one small change which killed the economy once again. Diamonds back up to 50k I'm seeing Tomb stated +16 gear go for 80 mil.

I'm also seeing very OP people quit, these were the people that supplied the economy with gear. I spend more on RoM then I would a p2p, but I can't play much, it would take me forever to progress in a sub based game. RoM has forgotten that a good chunk of their players are like me. I love MMOs but life happens first, so make sure I have an alternative to having to play for 5+ hours a day.

Quoted from "regentego;560493"

Well two sides to the coin here, those of us without the time or people in our guilds want to buy gear, the other side is the guilds like PPK who I know burn through Phoenix redemptions running Tosh, they want to make gold for their time. They need ABLs to sell that gear.

You take the ABLs out and PPK isn't going to run nearly as much cause frankly there is no reward, also what abls they have are not gonna be used on 20 million gold items, they are going to save them for the 80 mil gold items. That or all the gear becomes inflated. Prior to chapter 5 I saw ppk just clearing out their bags "Jenny's gear 10 mil your ABL"

Diamond prices were down and gear prices were down, and Gameforge did one small change which killed the economy once again. Diamonds back up to 50k I'm seeing Tomb stated +16 gear go for 80 mil.

I'm also seeing very OP people quit, these were the people that supplied the economy with gear. I spend more on RoM then I would a p2p, but I can't play much, it would take me forever to progress in a sub based game. RoM has forgotten that a good chunk of their players are like me. I love MMOs but life happens first, so make sure I have an alternative to having to play for 5+ hours a day.

I couldn't agree more. I feel that most of the people that state " run your own instances for your own gear" are ftplayers. They seem to forget that the casual players that p2p keeps this game on. Let us spend our money so you can play for free. What's the harm in that. Keeping out abls means I don't buy diamonds to trade for gear because there is no gear, and if I don't get diamonds to trade to you guys you can't plus and hammer equipment to get said gear. I am open to being corrected respectfully, but please provide good support for your argument and leave the teen anxd attitude at the door.

Putting Abl's back in the CS full time now wouldn't do much to help tbh. With all the recent dmg that Froggy/Rune have done to this game has made a lot of OP endgame runners either F2P or P2P leave the game. I can tell yea that right now there is only 1 maybe 2 guilds that can successfully clear ToSH on Osha and even those guilds arn't running as much anymore. Simply due to the fact of some of are hardly on or have quit. Most are like Ebil and will log in an hour before siege run dailys, chat a bit then siege, then log off. I'm sitting on a small stack of Abl's(yes some hoarding is good) but problem is no is simply running anything. We are trying to put together a network of players to run stuff but it will take time to get ppl to either learn the stuff or to get them geared to be able survive.

I remember seeing a post by someone that said they run these higher instantances in the HoS/DL/ZS gear, only problem is that person was a rogue. You wont see a warrior wearing full Fury set to run GCH. Tbh i dont know many ppl willing to shell out the tons of money it would take to stat and gear and then stat and gear and then to stat and gear over and over again at this point. It was much cheaper a long time to do that, but now its just not possible. Yes Abl's perm in the CS would help a lot, but too much dmg to the player base has been done lately that even perm ABL's wont solve any problems.

Exactly
I am far from F2P, altho I haven't bought diamonds in a few months I have spent thousands in this game. Spent way more than any subscription based game and I have 2 endgame characters. I don't need anything for my characters and I farm gold during the levelling of my characters (which are all 72's now) just to siege and do a few runs to help guildies.
When I run I hardly roll on items as there is nothing I need and can't afford to make ATM anyways.
If ABL's were in the cash shop perm again or more often than they have been I would have more mojo to run and try to make extra gold and maybe even tier and stat some level 72 items
At this point I only do some runs for fun and to help guildies that are still In need and can afford to make their gears. If I was better set on gold I would be more inclined to help other friends and pug runs and other guild achieve their runs with my experience and endgame characters.I may have even made a new race alt.

I don't have much mojo to run , only for fun ATM. I farm enough gold for siege pots and some redemptions for the runs I do.
When it gets bad and there is noone selling diamonds , I just don't do much runs. I cashin a few adventure bags from my days of diamond buying spree when there was stuff in the game I wanted/needed and I made gears.
Otherwise I just farm for gold,cards,runes,TP and wait for siege

Something has happened with the economy since the ABL removal and like was said , when they do come out on sale , it raised the price of gears that people do sell , I don't keep gold aside to buy them for when I do run. I have 0 ABL right now but hundreds of puris, so what I get is stoned. I make a little gold off selling a stat here and there , I don't even do that very often. I could use my 2 endgame characters to help others. (being coleader of a guild for several years I have helped many people, now I just want to play)
Altho I don't have tank gears now, I was first to tank many world bosses for the server (Ant twins, Sand Vortex etc...)
I don't mind helping others on server
I am still hanging on, mainly just dailies and siege but I have seen alot of people quit, most that quit just don't log back , its not like they put their gears for sale on the AH, So I see a cycle of helping people achieve endgame then they just don't come play.

Also I heard someone say in-game and was a very good idea.
They should release several level increases and land at a time. To keep endgame players busy for a while.
Should on been from level 70-80 and several maps. I would have bought diamonds and would have needed to.
I made it thru these last 2 levels with the same gears I had.
All the time it took them to release a chapter increase and was only 2 levels.

Also they should focus more on ingame bugs and such rather than new websites and forums.

Quoted from "Blkkntdave;560506"

I remember seeing a post by someone that said they run these higher instantances in the HoS/DL/ZS gear, only problem is that person was a rogue. You wont see a warrior wearing full Fury set to run GCH. Tbh i dont know many ppl willing to shell out the tons of money it would take to stat and gear and then stat and gear and then to stat and gear over and over again at this point. It was much cheaper a long time to do that, but now its just not possible. Yes Abl's perm in the CS would help a lot, but too much dmg to the player base has been done lately that even perm ABL's wont solve any problems.

That was me and I am a Warrior o.o Look at my siggy

Nah Firetruck it was in a completely different thread. He was talking about fully plus'd and stat'd atrocity gear and stuffs from Hos/ZS/Dl

Quoted from "Blkkntdave;560516"

Nah Firetruck it was in a completely different thread. He was talking about fully plus'd and stat'd atrocity gear and stuffs from Hos/ZS/Dl

Ahh ic... Yeah fully plussing and statting Atrocity at this point is a complete waste of resources. You can do better with shell gear plussed midway and decently statted with an up to date weapon.

Blaaargh you all really don't want me to repeat myself again do ya?

I said this was gonna happen and some people didn't listen. They said, "noooo, we'll get together and run stuff and leave all you greedy elitist endgamers behind now that you can't sell us gear, so NYAH!"

So how's that workin' out for ya?

Turns out some people actually like the model of "hey I can trade dias or gold for gear and not spend hours and hours that I don't have wiping in ToSH yay!"

To each their own.

Having ABL's permanently in the Cash Shop meant that people could choose which way they wanted to play. If they had the time, they could get their group together and progress through the instances. If they didn't, they could buy their gear from an endgamer. Both groups of people benefited.

Now, people like PPK don't have much incentive to run ToSH, since they can't sell what they get. People like Elmago are discouraged because they feel like they'll never get the gear they want since they don't have the time or the group that they need to farm the instance themselves.

So, who's happy about this? Who's happy about a crappier economy? Who's happy that even more end and mid-gamers are leaving? Anyone?

Noto still has a reason to run ToSH- since we started farming so late in the chapter, lots of us (me included) still need gear. But as soon as everyone has what they need, what will we do? Will we bother? I dunno. AC is easy and boring and kinda lame. A new instance might perk us all up for a little while, but what happens when people get everything they need and realize that farming for profit isn't worth doing without ABL's?

Don't even get me started on the prices of plussing your gear either- it's gone from bad to next to impossible. Need a perfect advanced stone? Good luck. Need a regular advanced stone? Gamble on a gasha and then gamble again and hope it doesn't fail! Frogster- I would give you money if you would just sell me what I need. It's really that simple. I want to buy ABL's, I want to buy +12 stones, I want to buy perfect stones- sell them to me!

Heres the problem with running stuff to get your own gear... THERE'S no one running anything... its easier to get a root canal and far less painful then trying to get enough ppl that want to run stuff or that have the knowledge or ppl that are already geared and they are willing to help run other ppl thru stuff. Ppl in this game tend to find a group of ppl and run with them and them only, or far too many ppl have quit the game for whatever reason. 90% of the ppl in RoM are more interested in crafting and events then anything else tbh. It doesnt matter if ABL's and plusers are in the shop all time or they actually had sales on them, because at least on OSHA not much is being run, im not sure about other servers all tho i do hear story's about it being the same on most other servers.

Idk about you guys but in my guild the situation was: The group that runs endgame stuff said we will give you or sell for cheap the gear that you need from instances to gear up and you don't even have to step foot in there. And what I wanted is to learn how to do those instances also so I was always begging for runs and if there was a spot for me in runs. I really wanted to learn the instances and learn how to play better with my class.

Was it worth it? I would say yes even know I wasted tons of pots, foods and hammers to run those instances, It was really fun and now I know how to do them and I can gear up myself and also teach other people the strategies in the instances.

Maybe for some people it's easier to buy gear than to get it themselves but you really miss a lot of fun if you do so and the game is about fun, FUN FUN FUN.

Maybe it's just me but I like to run instances and will pug with anyone, will help any noobs to run low instances or help with quests. Idk maybe it's just me.

Quoted from "mikkehboii;560577"

Ahh ic... Yeah fully plussing and statting Atrocity at this point is a complete waste of resources. You can do better with shell gear plussed midway and decently statted with an up to date weapon.

That ... i dont totally agree with. Id rather have tomb/castle stated atrocity over tomb/temple statted shell gear. Id rather have the crit and damage bonus over the pa, def, and hp.

Either way, you can get either gear set without needing abls, and it should get you into GCH minimum.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;560693"

Blaaargh you all really don't want me to repeat myself again do ya?

I said this was gonna happen and some people didn't listen. They said, "noooo, we'll get together and run stuff and leave all you greedy elitist endgamers behind now that you can't sell us gear, so NYAH!"

So how's that workin' out for ya?

Turns out some people actually like the model of "hey I can trade dias or gold for gear and not spend hours and hours that I don't have wiping in ToSH yay!"

To each their own.

Having ABL's permanently in the Cash Shop meant that people could choose which way they wanted to play. If they had the time, they could get their group together and progress through the instances. If they didn't, they could buy their gear from an endgamer. Both groups of people benefited.

Now, people like PPK don't have much incentive to run ToSH, since they can't sell what they get. People like Elmago are discouraged because they feel like they'll never get the gear they want since they don't have the time or the group that they need to farm the instance themselves.

So, who's happy about this? Who's happy about a crappier economy? Who's happy that even more end and mid-gamers are leaving? Anyone?

Noto still has a reason to run ToSH- since we started farming so late in the chapter, lots of us (me included) still need gear. But as soon as everyone has what they need, what will we do? Will we bother? I dunno. AC is easy and boring and kinda lame. A new instance might perk us all up for a little while, but what happens when people get everything they need and realize that farming for profit isn't worth doing without ABL's?

Don't even get me started on the prices of plussing your gear either- it's gone from bad to next to impossible. Need a perfect advanced stone? Good luck. Need a regular advanced stone? Gamble on a gasha and then gamble again and hope it doesn't fail! Frogster- I would give you money if you would just sell me what I need. It's really that simple. I want to buy ABL's, I want to buy +12 stones, I want to buy perfect stones- sell them to me!

Again I feel like the f2p mentality is that we want to be lazy and just buy or way to endgame. My reply to that is, its an back and forth relationship. And remember those people keep the lights on at RW/FEU. There is a big enough demand social implications aside, its stupid to deny said demand.

Who cares... ABL's are back... for only 69 diamonds too. And there's supposed to be a diamonds sale on Sunday.

It's probably a bad thing (despite that I'm on temporary hiatus from the game) that I still have ABL's sitting in my backpack from the last sale, right?

Out of the 30 that I bought when they came on, I've used 17. Of the 17 that I used, only two were used to unbind old gear of mine to sell on the AH. The rest went towards unbinding gear I won in rolls from TOSH to go to the metric ton of new people in XG.

Granted, I unbound it for free and they got the gear for free. I did so because I want them to be able to run, to be a part of the guild, and to come play with me in TOSH. Or the cadaver den. Or whatever's beyond that.

I want them to do well in Siege too. But once in a while- just once- I would like to be able to take that piece of gear that I won, unbind it, stat it, plus it up, drill it and sell it for a good chunk of change to help me keep running.

There are problems with that, though, that have nothing to do with a lack of ABL's. The way I statted the item may not be the way the other person wants to have it statted. There may not be enough extractors in my bookbag for me to clean it and keep a few around for my own personal stat extractions, if I still have to do some. The plussing jewel fail rate is astronomical, and if I try to include that in the sale price of the item, it'll sit in the AH as "overpriced greedy endgamer gear".

ABL's not in the cash shop definitely hurts the amount of gear available on the AH. But it isn't "worth" it for me to hope an UD TOSH item will sell at 7-10 mil, with me maybe making 3-4 mil profit, when I can just as easily do it with a stat sale. It's not worth my having spent an hour and a half getting killed in TOSH for it, although I really do like running the place (save Huerton, the laggy S.O.B).

I want to help others get the gear they need to run. I want to see the game population go back up. The elimination of ABL's and implementation of B.O.E. is one way that might happen, the other is for the fail rate on the jewels to go down.

Otherwise, about the only way I'll be able to put gear in the AH for others to buy is if no one in the guild needs the armor/weapon and I won it on a greed roll. My luck isn't that decent.