Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "srlebonv1;560479"

In light of all the nerf threads as of late. I thought id try a thread geared toward more constructive changes. Being a scout since chp2 I know first hand the excessive nature of the nerf hammer. So, let's spitball some ideas, ill start:
Make shot a truly spamable skill, ie no 1sec cool down, after all most scout skill damage percentages are lower than other comparable dps classes because of our speed and distance at sending that damage.No Trolls please

You ask for no trolls but you want shot to have no cooldown, you're the one trolling with that line.. classes shouldn't have their DPS entirely based off of one skill, it's a bad thought process

Anyways scouts are fairly consistant damage so they're not really anything I'd scoff at, they're not the highest dps but they're also in no way the lowest, also S/K is a beast in pvp and still very popular if anything they're a fairly balanced class all things considered and have the highest Patk boosting skill (at the price of a HP drain).

Personally I'd agree with lowering the amount of HP that it drains it seems like it should be either a fixed value or a lower percent, as is it just discourages people to use the skill..

Quoted from "Kefkai;560480"

You ask for no trolls but you want shot to have no cooldown, you're the one trolling with that line.. classes shouldn't have their DPS entirely based off of one skill, it's a bad thought process

Anyways scouts are fairly consistant damage so they're not really anything I'd scoff at, they're not the highest dps but they're also in no way the lowest, also S/K is a beast in pvp and still very popular if anything they're a fairly balanced class all things considered and have the highest Patk boosting skill (at the price of a HP drain).

Personally I'd agree with lowering the amount of HP that it drains it seems like it should be either a fixed value or a lower percent, as is it just discourages people to use the skill..

Way to be the first troll.
Lowering the BA Hp hit is a good option.
Shots1sec would work, that or beef up wind arrows dmg same principle a moderate spam skill in between cooldowns. Since scouts operate better as endured dps a filler skill isn't a bad idea.

I agree with Shot having a 1 sec cooldown. Or even its own global cooldown seperate from the other skills. Its substantially weaker than it used to be.

Quoted from "Kefkai;560480"

You ask for no trolls but you want shot to have no cooldown, you're the one trolling with that line.. classes shouldn't have their DPS entirely based off of one skill, it's a bad thought process

... and a p/s doesn't do this with iceblade?

You can indeed spam shot, but only with a GDFB, so it's only gonna hit for like 11k damage. Next best bet Desert Bow which only gives you gcd. I think scout could use a damage increase overall, nothing crazy or wind arrows will be flying like crazy again. Instances will be 5 scouts and a p/k again. Well at least I was the only rogue in siege back then.

Quoted from "regentego;560491"

You can indeed spam shot, but only with a GDFB, so it's only gonna hit for like 11k damage. Next best bet Desert Bow which only gives you gcd. I think scout could use a damage increase overall, nothing crazy or wind arrows will be flying like crazy again. Instances will be 5 scouts and a p/k again. Well at least I was the only rogue in siege back then.

True but that bows dmg is Sub par. I agree. I think the OP is saying more viable not top dps. As it is now between, deadly, vamp, piercing, combo and shot I'm still waiting on cool down and auto shot and white dmg are taking up a lot of scrut. Since scouts are sustained dps a filler skill would be nice. Also fyi for all :

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1) BA needs a serious reduction on the Hp drain
cut it in half.
2) wind arrow damage be increased. It's a spammable skill no doubt but it has focus restriction .
3) increased the speed of instant cast skill that has cool downs
i found that skills like peril shot and thorn arrow actually takes a while to actually"fire"
4) scout specific skills need a damage buff except combo shot
5) shot needs a bit more damage.
6) detection be given more detecting range.

hmm guess some ideas... these are kinda either or though, I wouldnt recomend doing them all togather.

- reduce blood arrow to a 1-2% hp tic and reduce the CD to 60 seconds

- A general increase of 50-100% more dps to all scout skills (for example shot would be around 300% dps instead of the 207% or so).

- increase weapon dps on bows/xbows (they are currently some of the lowest dps weapons in game)

- make shot a 1 second CD as in not dependent on the bow/xbow for its CD. This way you would have a solid filler while your higher dps skills where on cd rather then having to wait a couple seconds imbetween skill usage.

Make scouts an anti-P/S class, the same way that scouts can easily kill uber rogues. Have them be P/S's mortal enemy, which would reduce the need to nerf P/S, and add incentive to play a scout again in SW.

Ex. Have mana drain shot drain a (large) % of mana and reduces target's magical damage by % for [(buff) 0 time)] seconds instead, or something like that

And I don't really understand why my rogue guildies can sometimes shadowprison scouts. It doesn't really make sense. Either Detection needs a range increase, or those scouts are dummies. I'm not sure which, so I'll just leave it at that lol.

I think they are terrified of scouts, why on earth can't a speed weapon rune apply to a bow, why has ever bow after level 62 been 3+ speed, and yes bows are the lowest DPS.

Its like runewaker is saying "sure bow is your primary weapon but were gonna restrict it and just let every other class use stuff you can't"

Scout in chapter 3 wasn't OP beyond belief, it was their use of pots. But every class potentially has a burn mode, there were just too many YouTube videos of scout doing it.

Quoted from "Kefkai;560480"

You ask for no trolls but you want shot to have no cooldown, you're the one trolling with that line.. classes shouldn't have their DPS entirely based off of one skill, it's a bad thought process

Anyways scouts are fairly consistant damage so they're not really anything I'd scoff at, they're not the highest dps but they're also in no way the lowest, also S/K is a beast in pvp and still very popular if anything they're a fairly balanced class all things considered and have the highest Patk boosting skill (at the price of a HP drain).

Personally I'd agree with lowering the amount of HP that it drains it seems like it should be either a fixed value or a lower percent, as is it just discourages people to use the skill..

I agree with you, but M/wd is best in PvP. Kanuunchou sucks compared to Sacredmagic in siege.

Quoted from "regentego;560523"

Scout in chapter 3 wasn't OP beyond belief, it was their use of pots. But every class potentially has a burn mode, there were just too many YouTube videos of scout doing it.

Yeah, the common theme of Ch3 was that scout skills were not horribly OP nor was scout gear, but the buff stackability was OP. They could just stack too many things that improved them. So, what do they do to address the problem? Make sure that there are limits to what buffs can do? Naaaaah... don't be silly. Let's nuke the base skills.

Quoted from "regentego;560523"

I think they are terrified of scouts, why on earth can't a speed weapon rune apply to a bow, why has ever bow after level 62 been 3+ speed, and yes bows are the lowest DPS.

Its like runewaker is saying "sure bow is your primary weapon but were gonna restrict it and just let every other class use stuff you can't"

Scout in chapter 3 wasn't OP beyond belief, it was their use of pots. But every class potentially has a burn mode, there were just too many YouTube videos of scout doing it.

I was one of the only two tanks on Artemis that could clear RT diamond at lvl 60 in ch 3. And for your information it was only doable with 1 k, 1 p, and 4 scouts. The highest of dps other than scouts could barely do have a scouts damage in scrutinizer per boss. Scouts were gods in ch 3 at max endgame. People saying they weren't just didn't know because they sucked too bad to see the good people play it.

Scout is no the king of dps like in ch3 but still a good dps and 100% viable class but sure i want some updates/fix in a few skills.

Quoted from "Cronrs;560518"

- make shot a 1 second CD as in not dependent on the bow/xbow for its CD. This way you would have a solid filler while your higher dps skills where on cd rather then having to wait a couple seconds imbetween skill usage.

Yeah make a Shot 1 second CD no matter what is the weapon attack speed but keep auto shot CD base on weapon attack speed.

Blood Arrow need a reduce in the HP% drain, somethink like 5-7% will be good.

Fix the Dmg on Piercing Arrow and Shot, Shot with 212% at lvl 72 (s/w) do more dmg if u compare with Piercing Arrow 322%+200 dmg at lvl 60 (s/w) maybe is the class combo but i notice this.

Make Detection have a 150-180 permanent range detection. The current range for a same lvl invi target is like 100-120 is pretty close.

Increase 30-40% the dmg on Shot , Increase 10-20% the dmg on Piercing and Reflected Shot, Increase 50% the dmg on Wind Arrow.
Increase 20-30% the dmg on Vampire Arrow and this is a personal idea change the current bleed dmg for max HP% dmg, Make the target lose 5% maybe 10% (maybe to much)of the Max HP target every 2 sec for 10 or 5 sec. The bleed is dmg is reduce with the current pdef on target.

And more import for fix the LOS! still have weird issues on siege and pve is no a big deal but is very annoying.

This just for Scout class in general.

Quoted from "Winston;560528"

I was one of the only two tanks on Artemis that could clear RT diamond at lvl 60 in ch 3. And for your information it was only doable with 1 k, 1 p, and 4 scouts. The highest of dps other than scouts could barely do have a scouts damage in scrutinizer per boss. Scouts were gods in ch 3 at max endgame. People saying they weren't just didn't know because they sucked too bad to see the good people play it.

I saw it, I was there I also saw strong stim, fire training, food, instruments and then a boss drop in 20 seconds. See scouts were supposed to be a semi automatic weapon, the pots turned them into a 50 cal fully automatic cannon. Rogues are a 45 cal 6 shooter, alot of power but limited energy and burn.

In RT it was just a shot spam no focus needed, and if buffs ran out your 4 scouts hit windarrow to finish it. They took sustainable DPS and turned it to roflstomp a boss that's supposed to take 5 minutes to kill.

They could have made it so no spped buffs stacked, cause yeah you stack 3 speed buffs with no GCD at that time and you are only limited to your clicking speed. Most people knew it wasn't scouts that were powerful it was their pots, no one ever asked for the class to be that badly nerfed, that move cost this game alot of money.

Quoted from "Winston;560528"

I was one of the only two tanks on Artemis that could clear RT diamond at lvl 60 in ch 3. And for your information it was only doable with 1 k, 1 p, and 4 scouts. The highest of dps other than scouts could barely do have a scouts damage in scrutinizer per boss. Scouts were gods in ch 3 at max endgame. People saying they weren't just didn't know because they sucked too bad to see the good people play it.

That was largely due to the ability to stack buffs and that was then, this is now. Scouts were sent to the corner for time out. It's time to put SOME life back into them. Give them more balance between dps and utility. Also I agree chp3 scouts were ridiculous and you would have scout instance burns but that may have had something to do with all the rerolls to scout. A damage buff to scouts would still require knowledge of the class to be viable. Whereas chp 3 was a 1-2 skill killing machine. Other classes were still viable in chp 3 but required some skill and understanding of the game mechanics.

Lol just remembered that lame podcast after the nerf with swag where the scout he was interviewing who was defending the nerf didn't even know about half the changes.

Yep, too much stacking.

Quoted from "Winston;560528"

I was one of the only two tanks on Artemis that could clear RT diamond at lvl 60 in ch 3. And for your information it was only doable with 1 k, 1 p, and 4 scouts. The highest of dps other than scouts could barely do have a scouts damage in scrutinizer per boss. Scouts were gods in ch 3 at max endgame. People saying they weren't just didn't know because they sucked too bad to see the good people play it.

It wasn't ONLY doable by 4 scouts. My group often took a mage or a warrior along with us. granted they weren't at the top of the charts, but we did it.