Runes of Magic US / AU

Duly noted and I forward that wish, although this weekend it is most likely to late to take it into consideration. But I let the powers that be know

abls should be in item shop all the time gear prices are ridiculous.this idea of having them in the shop whenever someone feels like it is making an already bad economy worse. not to mention scaring new players(with new wallets)out of the game before they can even enjoy the mid level content.

Yes, they should be in shop on permanent basis, but this is not what this thread is about. It is about getting Dio to spam powers than be with the volume of messages that will put her on the "ignore list".

Having ABL's in the shop means I can just go buy all my gear, reach endgame status join parties for ToSH & AC causing massive wipes due to not really knowing my class properly.

I'd much rather be able to loot my own gear (costs me nothing then) build myself up and join a party for something where I am more suited and actually contribute to the run. This way, I learn to play better and gain experience which will be of use to me later. Plus, the sense of achievement due to having made my own gear fills me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. Mmm...

Well, maybe not entirely like that, but I get to create my own gear and perhaps buy a piece or two along the way. If there is no demand for something, prices should fall...

I've played the game long enough to know that threads like these don't help, but I haven't seen Advanced Bind Lifters in the Item Shop since I came back from a 7 month hiatus. My character is literally oozing with stuff I want to unbind for either profit or just to flat out give away to guildies. It's pretty upsetting that RoM will not even let me unbind things, and I can't plus my weapons or anything. I want to spend my money RoM...but there's nothing worth spending it on.

Realize that taking ABL's out of IS was a huge mistake, and may be the sole reason why I quit this game for the final time.

I think we've had several ABL sales. I can remember of 2 not too long ago.

Quoted from "Inferiority;565115"

Having ABL's in the shop means I can just go buy all my gear, reach endgame status join parties for ToSH & AC causing massive wipes due to not really knowing my class properly.

I'd much rather be able to loot my own gear (costs me nothing then) build myself up and join a party for something where I am more suited and actually contribute to the run. This way, I learn to play better and gain experience which will be of use to me later. Plus, the sense of achievement due to having made my own gear fills me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. Mmm...

Well, maybe not entirely like that, but I get to create my own gear and perhaps buy a piece or two along the way. If there is no demand for something, prices should fall...

More likely, you end up getting run through rt/gch and get your gear from there, do mems and shells and use bygone/glory/crimson stats, stat up to end game that way, and still not know your class. All it means is that tosh people cant sell tosh gear. People will still jump content.

Quoted from "Inferiority;565115"

Having ABL's in the shop means I can just go buy all my gear, reach endgame status join parties for ToSH & AC causing massive wipes due to not really knowing my class properly.

I'd much rather be able to loot my own gear (costs me nothing then) build myself up and join a party for something where I am more suited and actually contribute to the run. This way, I learn to play better and gain experience which will be of use to me later. Plus, the sense of achievement due to having made my own gear fills me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. Mmm...

Well, maybe not entirely like that, but I get to create my own gear and perhaps buy a piece or two along the way. If there is no demand for something, prices should fall...

This works...for games that aren't based on the F2P and P2W model. You cannot restrict gear unconditionally in a game like this without ruining the economy, and making it hard on the end game players to enjoy themselves and actually make gold in game. There's a huge shortage of supply right now in game, and some part of that is due to advanced bind lifters not being in the Item Shop. It's really frustrating to be stuck with 7-8 things to unbind, 1-2 things that need to be plussed and you can't do either because the item shop doesn't have them. Frustration like this does cause players to quit, and I will be next.

Merged two threads concerning ABLs wanted

Quoted from "Dionaea;565124"

Merged two threads concerning ABLs wanted

Seeing you had to do this, it shows how [Edit: removed, forum rule 2a] the sales team is. The fact that they don't put essential items on sale permanently is beyond me, when crappy looking costumes are always on sale. Makes no sense.

One thing to take note on that on Artemis runes are selling for crazy amounts because of the shortage of high level runes and rarity.
And there is hardly any used gears on the AH. And I am not talking about endgame untouched pieces those appear, just that I have an alt and would like to buy a few preferrably statted used pieces and there are hardly any at all.

Its obvious that the ones that don't buy ABL's when on sale to stock up are the ones that don't run endgame yet.
But they end up buying untouched endgame pieces off the AH from endgame farmers but are stuck with their used pieces unable to sell.

This needs to change.
If anything.....thats what ABL's are meant for , to sell your used pieces when you run endgame and get drops to make or even when you buy off the AH

Quoted from "BaseLord;565150"

Seeing you had to do this, it shows how [Edit: removed, forum rule 2a] the sales team is. The fact that they don't put essential items on sale permanently is beyond me, when crappy looking costumes are always on sale. Makes no sense.

I don't feel they need to be permanent, but putting them on sale a bit more often than they have been would be nice.
I do prefer to run instance to get my own gear, but don't mind buying when I see something better on the AH or in world, and I like to keep a supply of ABLs on hand to sell gear that I pick up.

Having them permanent will do nothing at all to lower the price of gear, a lot of gear that I see selling for 300-700 mil are things that I've seen drop on about every other run so there is no real supply<demand issue that raises the price.

What always gets me is when you see a new player, not an alt but a new player who hits 60 or 70 in a couple weeks, then buys up and gets fully geared with gear that runs a bare minimum of 50M a piece.

Running content to get your own gear sounds nice but is not very easy to do with the way this game works.

You might want some GCH gear, but you need 11 other people who also want GCH. If you don't have 11 other geared players for that dungeon you can't do it.

So now you found 11 other players, the chances of you getting that one drop you need are very low, so you need more then 1 run but most of the 11 people only want to run it once a day or once every 2 days.

So now it will take you a whole week just to run the dungeon 3-7 times and lets be real.. with the drop system we have in game you need at least to run a dungeon 20 times. Then you have to remember that even if you find your drop, there are probably a few others that need it too, so you might not win the roll and have to run it even more.

Now one of the 11 ppl got all the stuff he needs, he is tired of doing GCH, he is geared to do things like AC, so you have to hope you can find other people because endgamers don't want to have to spend weeks farming a dungeon they already have all the gear from for a few people. They want to clear the new content so you are left in the dust.

I want chap boots, i would love them as a drop but i can't find people to run gch with 3-4 times a day. i get to do it onec every other day and trust me, will take forever to get my drop.

Normally i would tell people like me to join a more active guild..but i found out that even being in one of the strongest guilds in my server we don't farm dungeons like gch. They are endgame, they don't need it.

This is why adv are so important. This game is not very friendly when it comes to pugs, you don't get to run with other guilds much because they take care of there guild first or if you are not mr popular you are just left out.

IMO the whole bound thing is a blind idea. Let's compare with RL. If I buy a car I have to put gas to make it run. Imagine if the gas were bound. What crazy dude have a creepy idea like this? Who would imagine a game concept that prevents people of buying things? With real money or with gold? What game developers win with this? Oh you might say that without it would ruin economy. Well you're wrong. Economy always find a way to adjust itself to people's reality and needs, some will always be poor, some will always be rich, that's life.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;565114"

It is about getting Dio to spam powers than be with the volume of messages that will put her on the "ignore list".

WTB "powers than be"...whatever those are.

Quoted from "kingzamorak;565163"

Running content to get your own gear sounds nice but is not very easy to do with the way this game works.

You might want some GCH gear, but you need 11 other people who also want GCH. If you don't have 11 other geared players for that dungeon you can't do it.

So now you found 11 other players, the chances of you getting that one drop you need are very low, so you need more then 1 run but most of the 11 people only want to run it once a day or once every 2 days.

So now it will take you a whole week just to run the dungeon 3-7 times and lets be real.. with the drop system we have in game you need at least to run a dungeon 20 times. Then you have to remember that even if you find your drop, there are probably a few others that need it too, so you might not win the roll and have to run it even more.

Now one of the 11 ppl got all the stuff he needs, he is tired of doing GCH, he is geared to do things like AC, so you have to hope you can find other people because endgamers don't want to have to spend weeks farming a dungeon they already have all the gear from for a few people. They want to clear the new content so you are left in the dust.

I want chap boots, i would love them as a drop but i can't find people to run gch with 3-4 times a day. i get to do it onec every other day and trust me, will take forever to get my drop.

Normally i would tell people like me to join a more active guild..but i found out that even being in one of the strongest guilds in my server we don't farm dungeons like gch. They are endgame, they don't need it.

This is why adv are so important. This game is not very friendly when it comes to pugs, you don't get to run with other guilds much because they take care of there guild first or if you are not mr popular you are just left out.

truer words have never been spoken. Hopefully the elitests will stop spouting 'get your own gear by running the instance' mess. I hope they remember when they had to get a group just to run such and such instance over and over...but they kept it in the guild and screwed over everyone else...

I want the gear too, I would LOVE to run the instance, but getting a group is too hard, and even if we did, the instance requires so much work that everyone only wants to go once.

Quoted from "rhenzic;565327"

truer words have never been spoken. Hopefully the elitests will stop spouting 'get your own gear by running the instance' mess. I hope they remember when they had to get a group just to run such and such instance over and over...but they kept it in the guild and screwed over everyone else...

I want the gear too, I would LOVE to run the instance, but getting a group is too hard, and even if we did, the instance requires so much work that everyone only wants to go once.

Meh that's a little unfair and judgemental. Yeh a lot of endgamers have had to repeatedly run the same instances for gear until their eyes bled. It's the same group of people they're running with who're helping them and vice versa (normally within guild). It's true that a lot of people like to keep certain instances as guild runs, more often than not a guildie needs gear and runs are started to accommodate that need. When having to pug (due to lack of guildies online) you can't expect/demand non-guildies to not roll on items just because you or your own guildie wants them. Keeping it in guild doesn't necessarily mean they're trying to screw over everyone on the server, it may just mean that the people running are prioritising their guildies over non-guildies. Not every ToSH or GCH run is carried out in order to sell things.

As for the "get your own gear by running the instance" ~ feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but from observation that statement is usually directed at people who start trash talking sellers if they can't get the item for the price that they want it at i.e. next to nothing.

Quoted from "rhenzic;565327"

truer words have never been spoken. Hopefully the elitests will stop spouting 'get your own gear by running the instance' mess. I hope they remember when they had to get a group just to run such and such instance over and over...but they kept it in the guild and screwed over everyone else...

I want the gear too, I would LOVE to run the instance, but getting a group is too hard, and even if we did, the instance requires so much work that everyone only wants to go once.

So let me get this straight. WE screw EVERYONE else up, because WE choose to bring in people WE trust (our guildies), instead of pugging the instance with people outside, who have no experience, and never put in the effort/resources themselves to push the content when it first came out.

"But getting a group is too hard" - no it isn't, you just haven't established yourself as someone who CAN run the instance. I know I sure as hell am not going to waste my hammers/pots/foods/time/gold to carry someone in an end game instance they shouldn't be in.

You do what we did, push the content yourself. "Its too hard" isn't an excuse. You have better stats than we did when it first came out. Strat vids are all over youtube. You have the resources, yet YOU still sit here and complain about pricing.

On topic: ABL's kept prices of gear down due to competition, at least on Reni. At one point there were 3 guilds farming ToSH daily. Boredom and drama cut that number to 2 guilds, and unfortunately with the supply of decent unbound gear from ToSH becoming more and more rare (we gear up our guildies first, group sale items last), along with the price of simple repair hammers heading to 2 mil a stack, and the rise of dia prices/adv packs (they used to be 20-25k per before the *respectable* diamond sale drought, now theyre up 35-45k per), prices of gear have to rise.

It is still cheaper to run the instance, but also have to put the effort in. Very few do that, and those few are the ones we've invited to our guild.

And for the record: We sometimes do pug tosh, if not enough interested are in guild, or people are afk. But we pug with people (Heretic, mainly) who we trust and know are geared for the instance. Some people refuse to run with certain individuals, I kicked someone who used to be a guildie (ex guildie now) from raid because I know they bot. We do pug, if you're not included, then its because you're not geared/known.

Back on topic:

An ABL sale would be lovely, as I'm down to my last 2 and group sales to those who can't run for the gear aren't going to happen unless more get put up soon in the IS.

Off Topic:

I wish we had more guilds who had the capability to run the highest level instances on Reni. I can find so many sources of blame for the fact that there aren't- people not getting along with one another, the IS being too restrictive in what it sells, for what price and when, some of the biggest players in the server choosing to break the TOS and get banned as opposed to playing the game in their own best interests, the gear treadmill getting longer and longer with each new chapter release (although the Codex vendors can help with that somewhat), too low of a game population, too few people willing to establish new relationships outside their own guild or those they already have...

The list of reasons why a guild or person can't run for what they need is huge. And the playerbase can only do so much to reduce those obstacles. I sometimes wish that I could just go out and run people for what they needed constantly. It isn't a feasible idea because of the massive resource drain the instances themselves became at around SC/GC, my own out of game time constraints, and what seems to be a constant prioritization of a single player's wants to the detriment of the server.

Gearing up in this game takes time, and nobody expects anyone else to be able to come into the game and run TOSH-H or AC two weeks later. That said, people have to make an effort to work together to clear content, sometimes at expense to themselves that won't be paid back. It'll never happen otherwise, ABL's or no.