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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:27pm

so basically gameforge is worried goldsellers trade for zevex then spend it on another game/sell the zeevex for real money?! O-o

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:27pm

First question, does Zeevex belongs to Frogster or Gameforge?? no
Do they get a percentage from Zeevex sales?? probably a slim amount
When they sell diamonds from their website they get?? 100% money for them
Business wise very intelligent move.

Bought Zeevex twice in a year and it was a pain in the arse, not worth it. Maybe the economy in game will get better, hopefully. Thx.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:29pm

this whole "Assume and Punish" is really having me looking at other games now

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:31pm

Quoted from "myraged;566314"

this whole "Assume and Punish" is really having me looking at other games now


Good luck, considering most games don't even allow gifting, have fun with that.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:33pm

Quoted from "Kefkai;566315"

Good luck, considering most games don't even allow gifting, have fun with that.


This game has gone straight to hell when a gm can say oh i think you broke a rule i have no evidence but i think u did so you know what your suspended for 30 days or now your account is banned that right there should violate there own tos

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:34pm

Really ?

Quoted from "Nytefall;566307"

Diamonds purchased through the billing site are an in-game currency. You cannot use them outside the game. Therefore, the premise you are basing this on is incorrect.


Okay so, from the GM responces let me just get this out there.
You can not,
A) Send Gold to anyone with out a reciving a ingame item, this is bannable.
B) Send Items to anyone with out reciving a ingame item, this is bannable.
C) Recive gold form anyone with out sending a item in return, this is bannable.
D) recive items from anyone with out sending gold in return, this is bannable.

Basicly please stop playing our game we have F2p players. And you can support your alt accounts or we will ASSume your buying Zeevex. Sounds like a soldid hosting plane let me know how that goes for ya frogster.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:34pm

Quoted from "Shiki13;566311"

so send gold to my second account or my wifes account or vice verse to either of mine from her account get all 3 accounts banned by way that you can assume that we are buying Zeevex since only gold is passed between the accounts and no in-game item is sent in a certain amount of time? this concerns me cause our guild helsp each other out by sending gold to each other to help get in-game items as a loan that is paid back to the 1 sending the gold at a time when they earn it back up. so all that help could be assumed as we buying/selling Zeevex between us ?


As game mechanism is built that you can master only one skill, this makes it hard to send money to production alts as well, or to have selling alts and send gold back all together or send it to friends or family.

Still waiting for official response why exactly DIAS as in game currency is not allowed in place we exchange game goods - auction house.

Wonder how valid is their logic.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:37pm

Quoted from "drzaco;566317"

Okay so, from the GM responces let me just get this out there.
You can not,
A) Send Gold to anyone with out a reciving a ingame item, this is bannable.
B) Send Items to anyone with out reciving a ingame item, this is bannable.
C) Recive gold form anyone with out sending a item in return, this is bannable.
D) recive items from anyone with out sending gold in return, this is bannable.

Basicly please stop playing our game we have F2p players. And you can support your alt accounts or we will ASSume your buying Zeevex. Sounds like a soldid hosting plane let me know how that goes for ya frogster.


if u get to 1billion gold, u will get banned. Since u have to send some to your alts. ;)

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:39pm

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This game has gone straight to hell when a gm can say oh i think you broke a rule i have no evidence but i think u did so you know what your suspended for 30 days or now your account is banned that right there should violate there own tos


Don't you think that you are a bit over reacting?

How many players you know in RoM that this has happen to?

This as any other game will be played as long as players have fun. As soon as fun factor disappears, people will find some other fun things to do.

Game that already cost RoM many good paying players will go F2P this fall, wonder what current RoM staff will offer us to keep us happy and dandy without thinking to try/play that other game.

This is not helping so far, according to this feedback.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:41pm

I brought this up almost a year ago on the forums when EU announced playspan trading was against the ToS. Even nytefall was all like "Your wrong ebil" then mrmisterwaa was all like "I buy 4k zeevex a week, they will always allow it" and then Kalvan was "You all play nice"

Well lookie now, super ebilone the Oracle! Ebil wins!

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:42pm

Quoted from "RoMage;566321"

Don't you think that you are a bit over reacting?

How many players you know in RoM that this has happen to?

This as any other game will be played as long as players have fun. As soon as fun factor disappears, people will find some other fun things to do.

Game that already cost RoM many good paying players will go F2P this fall, wonder what current RoM staff will offer us to keep us happy and dandy without thinking to try/play that other game.

This is not helping so far, according to this feedback.



And you know people wont get banned because? oh that's right you don't know either if you learned to read what the Gm had said to start with says right there Assume and punish so if they think you did something wrong cya

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:43pm

I guess this is what we get for requesting diamond NPC.

It's obvious we can't have both and it's obvious they got a universal request to stand tall on zeevex, we get 2 blue names in this thread.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:46pm

Quoted from "Nytefall;566307"

Diamonds purchased through the billing site are an in-game currency. You cannot use them outside the game. Therefore, the premise you are basing this on is incorrect.


You can just as easily go on ebay, and put up an ad saying you are selling diamonds for dollars.
Or adv packs for dollars.

Your problem is that people are converting zeevex into US dollars, but anything else in this game can be as well. Zeevex can also be converted into diamonds. its a matter of if it stays in the loop or not.

(This entire issue is eliminated if you let us gift diamonds again)

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:46pm

Quoted from "myraged;566316"

This game has gone straight to hell when a gm can say oh i think you broke a rule i have no evidence but i think u did so you know what your suspended for 30 days or now your account is banned that right there should violate there own tos


That's pretty much 100% of how banning botters has always worked, you can say oh hey that guy's botting get him reported a GM might investigate him, but there's no way to really know if they were or not without actually looking at that guy's computer screen.

Hell, all games are like that, RoM is pretty laissez faire compared to a lot of games, if there's one thing about this game that I'll defend that's it. I pay for my diamonds either way with real money, I care about gifting because it'd hurt my guildees if it were taken away, or that we have the freedom to do so.

Seriously though, if you didn't read the ToS, that's your problem, it's been there for a loooong time, I don't think anyone really has any reason to complain when they're able to get real money for time spent in a game, or atleast the game's premium currency.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:46pm

I see a lot of people upset/worried over the Terms of Service quote.

As a qualifier, I'd like to state that I do play Runes of Magic, and I also do many of the same behaviors you have described - Loaning gold, trading items between alts and alternate accounts, and so on.

I know what these behaviors look like, as do the rest of the support staff, and we investigate things to avoid making mistakes and banning people for legitimate game play. To my knowledge, we've never banned someone for trading gear, items, or gold between an alt and main, unless they had also committed another offense.

You also retain the right to appeal via a support ticket if you feel we made a mistake, and provide proof.

So no - what you have so far described should not get you banned. The rules are strict, but part of my job is to correctly interpret and enforce them. Banning people for legitimate and normal gameplay would mean I am doing my job poorly, and would harm the game.

TL;DR: Legitimate gameplay will not lead to an account suspension.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:49pm

What I wanna know is what kind of currency is going to help fix all the problems with this game. I think our GM's should spend more time forwarding and trying to fix the game then worry about what people are doing with in-game currency. Once You spend your hard earned money on Zeevex...it is no longer out of game currency. I'd like to see you spend a zeevex card on some milk. And if one of you guys out there tries this... Could u please record it? Would be hilarious!!!

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:49pm

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;566326"

(This entire issue is eliminated if you let us gift diamonds again)


Dias in AH is what developer planed for Dias exchange, all the problems regarding Zeevex, current dias gifts and trade are resulted from Frogster not using Dias (and AH) as originally intended by developer.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:51pm

i heard a rumour that zeevex was going to be discontinued,just sayin

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:51pm

Quoted from "Nytefall;566328"



As a qualifier, I'd like to state that I do play Runes of Magic, and I also do many of the same behaviors you have described - Loaning gold, trading items between alts and alternate accounts, and so on.


As an equality full-filler, I'd like to state this quote is lovely. Do you spend money on this game like we do, no, do you invest large amounts of time IN GAME to supplement not spending money on this game, no. So you play runes of magic, but more than likely you don't play it like a huge majority does.

How do you feel about the lack of ABL from your non-gm squad alt guild, or do you even have those types of friends. Do you ever hear in game dissatisfaction and think to yourself wow, I really didn't know it was this bad. Do you ever listen to a guildmate now have limited places to turn to escape their RL either good or bad because now rom (something they really adore) has become something they can't stand, probably not.

I believe the staff are good people but there is a completely different mindset when you are a genuine player. It's just the way it is sorry.

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Friday, August 24th 2012, 9:53pm

Quoted from "Stickingit;566325"

I guess this is what we get for requesting diamond NPC.

It's obvious we can't have both and it's obvious they got a universal request to stand tall on zeevex, we get 2 blue names in this thread.


I don't know if there is an obvious relation between two, but people who needed a reminder why "EU is better off because they have stuff we dont, and we dont have anything that they dont" was a stupid statement just got a good refresher. We have Zeevex, a way to transfer diamonds from one player to another. AFAIK, EU does not have anything like that - their closest equivalent was more paypal-like than Zeevex like.

Ok, we *had* zeevex, not have.
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