Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "vfwiffo;566358"

Zeevex trade was a price stabilizing mechanism on diamond trade. During a hot sale dia prices shoot way up, because there is much increased demand. Supply, of course, get depleted; finding a diamond seller is usually near impossible.

Zeevex trade smoothed it out and stabilized the economy. If you are a zeevex seller, you dont have to wait till the hot sale, you sell your zeevex when you needed gold. If you are a buyer, you got your dias (in form of zeevex tokens) at reasonable rates during those between sales times. It helped the trade, and trade is always good.

I personally have never bought or sold zeevex, so I dont have a dog in the fight; but I can see how Zeevex trade is a positive influence on the game and stopping it is a terrible, terrible move.

Which, you may recall, I more or less said when the ABL's disappeared.

Apparently Zeevex trade was masking the economic impact of the ABL loss.

Perhaps (just perhaps), you'll allow me an "I told you so" on that.

Zeevex trades (or lack thereof) only affect zeevex traders. ABL's affect absolutely everyone eventually. Can we all focus on the real issue now?

The chances of us being allowed to trade zeevex again (in my estimation anyway) = zero.

The chances of us convincing GF to try ABL's in the item shop permanently on both sides of the pond = >zero.

I can haz concerted polite outcry for ABL's nao?

All this does is just keep RoM on life support a little longer.
Everyone know that RoM is just bleeding money.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;566367"

Which, you may recall, I more or less said when the ABL's disappeared.

Apparently Zeevex trade was masking the economic impact of the ABL loss.

Perhaps (just perhaps), you'll allow me an "I told you so" on that.

Zeevex trades (or lack thereof) only affect zeevex traders. ABL's affect absolutely everyone eventually. Can we all focus on the real issue now?

The chances of us being allowed to trade zeevex again (in my estimation anyway) = zero.

The chances of us convincing GF to try ABL's in the item shop permanently on both sides of the pond = >zero.

I can haz concerted polite outcry for ABL's nao?

ABL loss is a trade restriction mechanism, so yeah, I agree in a way. Trade took another form, there was a masking effect.

Both are form of trade restriction, and the more channels of trade are closed, the worse everyone is.

Would reappearance of ABL on regular basis compensate for this? Not to most people, IMO. It would be good step, of course, but the markets in those two types of trades (dias and gear) do not overlap all that much.

But, yeah... bring back ABLs *and* diamond/gold trade, be it via zeevex or other means. Trade is good for all.

Quoted from "shopguy;566364"

Really? So the guy with 1 billion gold because he runs ToSH hard and AC daily is going to just keep it to himself because he has to buy CS items directly now instead of buying Zeevex? wth would he do that, gold is worth nothing if you don't intend to spend it... and not like he is going to buy stuff off AH either, he (or she) is the one supplying AH.

ummmmm just buy the dias instead of buying zeevex is that friggin easy

Ban everyone also for posting on the forums, might as well come up with more BS to piss people off and make them quit the game, will w/e thats left of it i mean.

Quoted from "timthum;566371"

ummmmm just buy the dias instead of buying zeevex is that friggin easy

There's a big, big problem with this statement.

Zeevex cards/tokens can be bought with cash. In order to buy diamonds, you have to use a credit or debit card. A LOT of players I know aren't willing to use Paypal or give their personal information to Moneybookers.

I know a lot of younger players who simply don't have access to a paypal account, credit or debit card, but use zeevex cards to get their diamonds instead.

rubies? nope cant get those, they dont come with sale buys.

back pack tickets? now you have to buy them with diamonds. Either break out your credit card or buy some zeevex.

Oh wait, cant bu zeevex in world. Either drive to 7/11 and buy that zeevex or break out the credit card.

So now free to play's cannot unlock their backpack slots. They cant rent portable mail boxes or ah's. They have to break out their real money for it. Horray no more f2p rom!

Quoted from "LadyMacV;566373"

There's a big, big problem with this statement.

Zeevex cards/tokens can be bought with cash. In order to buy diamonds, you have to use a credit or debit card. A LOT of players I know aren't willing to use Paypal or give their personal information to Moneybookers.

I know a lot of younger players who simply don't have access to a paypal account, credit or debit card, but use zeevex cards to get their diamonds instead.

im sorry you misunderstood me, i meant buy dias from players instead of zeevex its that friggin easy.also you can get Ultimate game cards.

Quoted from "LadyMacV;566373"

There's a big, big problem with this statement.

Zeevex cards/tokens can be bought with cash. In order to buy diamonds, you have to use a credit or debit card. A LOT of players I know aren't willing to use Paypal or give their personal information to Moneybookers.

I know a lot of younger players who simply don't have access to a paypal account, credit or debit card, but use zeevex cards to get their diamonds instead.

Then just get a prepaid credit card from Walmart, unless there is none where you live? I use a prepaid card for it and never got scammed. I have a credit card that i can add funds to, as i wish, so i always keep only 100$ on that card and use it for all internet transaction. They wanna dupe, hack that card go ahead, loll.

Prepaid credit card are all over the place, even for younger people to get, hell i got some for my kids who play this game.

So that is no excuse, i'm sorry.

Quoted from "timthum;566375"

im sorry you misunderstood me, i meant buy dias from players instead of zeevex its that friggin easy.also you can get Ultimate game cards.

Still cant use dias for everything. Cant unlock backpacks, change mount colors, change your hair, cant get portable mailboxes or ah or bank, cant get bank rentals, cant open that third costume closet page... you have to buy your own dias for all of that. Its just screwing over free to play users even more.

Quoted from "zidlef;566376"

Then just get a prepaid credit card from Walmart, unless there is none where you live? I use a prepaid card for it and never got scammed. I have a credit card that i can add funds to, as i wish, so i always keep only 100$ on that card and use it for all internet transaction. They wanna dupe, hack that card go ahead, loll.

Prepaid credit card are all over the place, even for younger people to get, hell i got some for my kids who play this game.

So that is no excuse, i'm sorry.

prepaid credit cards have a minimum of 25 dollars + a 2dollar fee.

zeevex you can get in 2 dollar increments.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;566370"

ABL loss is a trade restriction mechanism, so yeah, I agree in a way. Trade took another form, there was a masking effect.

Both are form of trade restriction, and the more channels of trade are closed, the worse everyone is.

Would reappearance of ABL on regular basis compensate for this? Not to most people, IMO. It would be good step, of course, but the markets in those two types of trades (dias and gear) do not overlap all that much.

But, yeah... bring back ABLs *and* diamond/gold trade, be it via zeevex or other means. Trade is good for all.

Well "most people" on Reni... like I said, we never got into that whole newfangled "WTB/WTS Zeevex!" thing on Palenque, ever, so... it has zero effect on us.

We all (well most of us here in the forums) knew that Zeevex was eventually prolly gonna get the banhammer, since EU didn't accept it, just like they also never allowed the EU players to do, erm, well, interesting things with a certain addon dealing with spell effects. *coughs*

This should not be big news.

ABL's on the other hand, (which we also should have seen disappearing and screamed bloody murder about BEFORE it happened, that I'll admit) do affect all servers.

Zeevex was a time tool. ABL's are too. If I can trade my gear at any time for cash shop items (since I can just get them to gift me a full-price ABL) then the crushing need for zeevex as a time tool is diminished.

And I would argue that we do already have a way to trade gold for dias. That's what gifting is for, and the day they remove gifting- well, that's the day RoM crashes and burns on both sides of the pond, so it Ain't Gonna Happen.

im not sure where in the united states you can get ugc but in canada you can get them from 7-11 stores

Eat Pizza. 3 new pages.

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This is really what it boils down to. So please lets concentrate on that fact and I gladly forward your feedback and concerns in that matter, but please lets not derail and panic.

Dionaea, I don't think you are understanding. This statement is over used and nothing ever comes of it. So using this line over and over and over is getting really old. Cause nothing ever get's done. Besides nerf's to the community. Take our ABL, Take our Wardens, Take our Zeevex. When are ya'll going to provide a service that some of use pay for?

Q. Where is the Warden "FIX" ya'll said you would have in a week?
A. Blah Blah Blah - We'll forward your concern...

Q. Where did our ABL's go?
A. We took them out. We'll forward your concern...

Q. Our server is glitched out...
A. Forum posts deleted...We won't forward your concern cause we don't really know how to fix it.

Q. Why are you taking our a form of currency that helps my game?
A. Because we want to punish you for things done by others. But we will forward your concerns...

Q. Why do i keep wasting my time playing a game that I KNOW will not get better?
A. Ida know...That's a good questions. Here, we'll help by not making possible to buy diamonds on a sale, o yeah, and we'll forward your concern on that too.

Anyone noticing a pattern? Your customers are angry about your decision making. Your customers are telling you what we would like. The whole reason you even have a game is so that you can have customers come and play and have fun. This game is turning into a catastrophic time bomb. How long before we go boooooom?

I'm pretty sure we are all either going to try different avenues of trading...or move to another game. My guess is the latter, cause it's much easier to just move on to a game that cares...and WANTS my money.

Quoted from "zidlef;566376"

Then just get a prepaid credit card from Walmart, unless there is none where you live? I use a prepaid card for it and never got scammed. I have a credit card that i can add funds to, as i wish, so i always keep only 100$ on that card and use it for all internet transaction. They wanna dupe, hack that card go ahead, loll.

Prepaid credit card are all over the place, even for younger people to get, hell i got some for my kids who play this game.

So that is no excuse, i'm sorry.

I don't know if there is a Wal-Mart in Columbia, or up in the Netherlands, or any number of other places my guild mates play from.

Sure, you can try to use a prepaid card. Paypal wants bank verfication, as I recall so does Moneybookers. That isn't going to happen with a prepaid card.

Stop writing such long posts. By the time I read them, 6 more are made. Ffs, Fand.

Quoted from "LadyMacV;566382"

I don't know if there is a Wal-Mart in Columbia, or up in the Netherlands, or any number of other places my guild mates play from.

Sure, you can try to use a prepaid card. Paypal wants bank verfication, as I recall so does Moneybookers. That isn't going to happen with a prepaid card.

ok i have done this to buy dias on eu server when you activate a prepaid dredit card they give you a verification number

Follow the direction in the diamond page, use the card directly in there, no paypal, no moneybookers, just the plain credit card.

;-)

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;566377"

Still cant use dias for everything. Cant unlock backpacks, change mount colors, change your hair, cant get portable mailboxes or ah or bank, cant get bank rentals, cant open that third costume closet page... you have to buy your own dias for all of that. Its just screwing over free to play users even more.

None of those things are very expensive though, Darwec. Nowhere near as expensive as all the things we used Zeevex for, like plussing stones, puris, charges, abls, RAP's, etc etc. Those are cosmetic or convenience items.

There is no flippin' reason the FtP community can't chip in and buy a $10 card themselves for those things once or twice a YEAR. Yes, I know I sound like EbiShrimpburger, but it's just the darned truth. Even the little guys can get Mom or Dad to buy them a card with their allowance for stuff like that.

God knows my free-to-play South Americans dealt with it somehow, back before they even had a payment option available to them in their countries. You'd think they'd have traded Zeevex all the time, but they never did. They just did without, they used alts for storage, they payed for ruby scrolls, and they did TH for random hair.

Now they just buy a $10 card every so often if they feel like it. Moneybookers was a godsend to my Mexicanos and Colombianos. But they lived without it for a long long time.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;566388"

None of those things are very expensive though, Darwec. Nowhere near as expensive as all the things we used Zeevex for, like plussing stones, puris, charges, abls, RAP's, etc etc. Those are cosmetic or convenience items.

There is no flippin' reason the FtP community can't chip in and buy a $10 card themselves for those things once or twice a YEAR. Yes, I know I sound like EbiShrimpburger, but it's just the darned truth. Even the little guys can get Mom or Dad to buy them a card with their allowance for stuff like that.

God knows my free-to-play South Americans dealt with it somehow, back before they even had a payment option available to them in their countries. You'd think they'd have traded Zeevex all the time, but they never did. They just did without, they used alts for storage, they payed for ruby scrolls, and they did TH for random hair.

Now they just buy a $10 card every so often if they feel like it. Moneybookers was a godsend to my Mexicanos and Colombianos. But they lived without it for a long long time.

to unlock 3 packpack slots for 6 months is 20 dollars. as a college student, i literally cannot afford that.