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Quoted from "zidlef;566387"

Follow the direction in the diamond page, use the card directly in there, no paypal, no moneybookers, just the plain credit card.

;-)

credit card is still processed by moneybookers, and yes they ask you to verify your identity - which is exactly why i would never purchase anything that way.

Wow people. It has always been a bannable offense. It has never changed. They were just nice and didnt ban anyone up until now. They are even giving a warning about the change AHEAD of time. While I have already moved on to another game and only check up on this one to see if they have fixed anything, i must say they are at least trying. Instead of trying to "find ways around it" just stop doing it.

"Well what if i...." Just dont, stop trying to find a loophole. Dont try to work around it. They told you it is an offense that can get ya banned. Dont do it and move on. If you dont like it, move to another game like i did. I hate defending Gameforge/etc but my goodness. They made a change just like diamond sales, abls, etc. If you dont like it move on. When it starts hurting they might listen. Forums posts and trying to find a way around wont change that.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;566388"

None of those things are very expensive though, Darwec. Nowhere near as expensive as all the things we used Zeevex for, like plussing stones, puris, charges, abls, RAP's, etc etc. Those are cosmetic or convenience items.

There is no flippin' reason the FtP community can't chip in and buy a $10 card themselves for those things once or twice a YEAR. Yes, I know I sound like EbiShrimpburger, but it's just the darned truth. Even the little guys can get Mom or Dad to buy them a card with their allowance for stuff like that.

God knows my free-to-play South Americans dealt with it somehow, back before they even had a payment option available to them in their countries. You'd think they'd have traded Zeevex all the time, but they never did. They just did without, they used alts for storage, they payed for ruby scrolls, and they did TH for random hair.

Now they just buy a $10 card every so often if they feel like it. Moneybookers was a godsend to my Mexicanos and Colombianos. But they lived without it for a long long time.

Posts like this one are pretty much the reason why most F2P give up on games.

If they had the option to do so before, can you give me one single reason why it should be revoked? It's not like they can abuse the use of a bank page.

Quoted from "shopguy;566364"

Really? So the guy with 1 billion gold because he runs ToSH hard and AC daily is going to just keep it to himself because he has to buy CS items directly now instead of buying Zeevex? wth would he do that, gold is worth nothing if you don't intend to spend it... and not like he is going to buy stuff off AH either, he (or she) is the one supplying AH.

This is exaclty the point. The end gamers will leave and the AH will die leading to F2p's leaving and the end of rom. It's a slipper rope to just up and decide to start banning ppl for things you allowed for years. Thats like enforcing a law form 1902 "You can carrie ice cream in your pockt in july" Really? its there but why enforce it? Infact it seems almost unlawfull if this wasnt a game to do so. I will garentee you 2 things come from this. More scammers you cant catch because they are talking throu Messangers. Also A larg loss of players. You will be left with another dead mmo. I really hope you have a new P2p cause no one will come back to a F2P from frogster after such a blaten Fu to the players.
Go back and read your own words about the subject over the years. Also look at your own action in that time. Tell me this is fair, and that you can really think this a good idea. No Dia NPC will cover your loss here.
I suggest a retraction of this policie and it to be written out of ToS, ASAP. I think i speak for a lot of your Dia/zeevex buyers (aka your pay check suppliers) when i say this.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;566388"

There is no flippin' reason the FtP community can't chip in and buy a $10 card themselves for those things once or twice a YEAR. Yes, I know I sound like EbiShrimpburger, but it's just the darned truth. Even the little guys can get Mom or Dad to buy them a card with their allowance for stuff like that.

As I'm typing this I'm sure others are flaming you for this comment, so before I lost track I wanted to point out that you have a good point. Someone earlier posted that they are so poor they can't afford to pay anything for this game, and I really did feel bad for them. But then I read your post, and I started thinking to myself, "wait, these people have a good enough PC to play RoM, and free time (takes a lot to be F2P and at a high enough level you care about CS items or have gold to buy them), so they can't be *that* poor". If they are, and really can't afford food... shame on them for not selling the PC to buy food, or at least try to find something they can do with it that makes money, even if it means clicking Google ads for 1 cent per click.

Just something to think about...

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;566389"

to unlock 3 packpack slots for 6 months is 20 dollars. as a college student, i literally cannot afford that.

<Darwec>

That... really legitimately stinks.

But you can grind the gold to buy rubies for scrolls, and now would also be a good time to start screeching for permanent backpack gashas again.

That would be the other thing our FtP's did... they spammed those perma gashas like there was no tomorrow, and I am pretty sure all my old guys got them all. I didn't bother to get even one, which shames me now that I am also more or less FtP (and unemployed).

Start a thread and see if maybe we can get Dio to get the EU suits to throw us a few bones.

Quoted from "LadyMacV;566392"

Posts like this one are pretty much the reason why most F2P give up on games.

If they had the option to do so before, can you give me one single reason why it should be revoked? It's not like they can abuse the use of a bank page.

Several have already been stated, here is a recap of my favorite.... It's a way for gold sellers to trade in-game gold for out-of-game items that can easily be converted to cold-hard-cash. So you're basically asking why we can't buy gold from players for real money -- and we don't need to bring up that debate again.

GO here and give some support so we can get this stopped.
http://help.zeevex.com/entries/21899342-…ainst-gameforge
Thank you ive forward this thread to zeevex Head quarters as well.

Quoted from "shopguy;566394"

As I'm typing this I'm sure others are flaming you for this comment, so before I lost track I wanted to point out that you have a good point. Someone earlier posted that they are so poor they can't afford to pay anything for this game, and I really did feel bad for them. But then I read your post, and I started thinking to myself, "wait, these people have a good enough PC to play RoM, and free time (takes a lot to be F2P and at a high enough level you care about CS items or have gold to buy them), so they can't be *that* poor". If they are, and really can't afford food... shame on them for not selling the PC to buy food, or at least try to find something they can do with it that makes money, even if it means clicking Google ads for 1 cent per click.

Just something to think about...

I'll take whatever flames the community thinks I deserve for it, and I won't judge people who choose not to spend money on the game for whatever reason. That's their business, not mine. Lots and lots of people play this game who have a limited and/or fixed income for reasons that vary from disability to terminal illness, and I'm not gonna grind them down. Your income, and how you choose to spend it is your business.

My point is, and was, that if you want those convenience items, there are other ways to get them, or you can choose to go without and still maintain endgame status, because they aren't power items.

Having no +12 stones or ABL's in the item shop is a legitimate roadblock to people's progression. Not being able to color a mount or expand your house is not.

And while they are expensive, and I agree that the access we currently have to rubies is stupidly limited, we can currently get bank and backpack space with rubies, which means they are available to any FtP player that can grind sufficient gold.

So, you can have your cake (ftp status) but you can't eat it too (by not having to buy small amounts of dias for convenience items).

Quoted from "drzaco;566399"

GO here and give some support so we can get this stopped.
http://help.zeevex.com/entries/21899342-…ainst-gameforge
Thank you ive forward this thread to zeevex Head quarters as well.

Says:

Quoted from "drzaco;566399"

Runes of magic/gameforge has now banned zeevex as currancy in game? If we players cant use then why would we buy. Give us some support Zeevex you have been a great place to buy please stay that way.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;566388"

None of those things are very expensive though, Darwec. Nowhere near as expensive as all the things we used Zeevex for, like plussing stones, puris, charges, abls, RAP's, etc etc. Those are cosmetic or convenience items.

There is no flippin' reason the FtP community can't chip in and buy a $10 card themselves for those things once or twice a YEAR. Yes, I know I sound like EbiShrimpburger, but it's just the darned truth. Even the little guys can get Mom or Dad to buy them a card with their allowance for stuff like that.

God knows my free-to-play South Americans dealt with it somehow, back before they
even had a payment option available to them in their countries. You'd think they'd have traded Zeevex all the time, but they never did. They just did without, they used alts for storage, they payed for ruby scrolls, and they did TH for random hair.

Now they just buy a $10 card every so often if they feel like it. Moneybookers was a godsend to my Mexicanos and Colombianos. But they lived without it for a long long time.

And we all know how well off Palenque is compared to the real servers, amirite?


You know, with all that tosh gear in the AH (I couldn't find it, so it must be hidden!) and people selling dias in world? That really populated server that cleared AC?

I'm sorry Fan, but your markets and ours are COMPLETELY different. Comparing the two, using your terminology, is apples to ...is that thing even a fruit?

Fact is, this hurts the f2p. Yeah I've spent maybe $300 on the toon Ravesden, but i haven't in months. Zeevex helped facilitate my needs as an end gamer, and some gear I've sold has been traded for Zeevex in the past. They had the dollars,.I had the item. Win win for both, even FrogForgeWaker.

Besides, NOW how's Whooty gonna sell her gear on Palenque for Zeevex and transfer to Reni? Its a shame i tell ya! Jk. But no. Really. Maybe.

Quoted from "zidlef;566313"

First question, does Zeevex belongs to Frogster or Gameforge?? no
Do they get a percentage from Zeevex sales?? probably a slim amount
When they sell diamonds from their website they get?? 100% money for them
Business wise very intelligent move.

Bought Zeevex twice in a year and it was a pain in the arse, not worth it. Maybe the economy in game will get better, hopefully. Thx.

Funny how nobody dares approach my post with a 10 foot pole , loll.

Buy your own diamond from website or from ingame players selling them, simple. Stop raging please, tyvm.

Quoted from "zidlef;566406"

Funny how nobody dares approach my post with a 10 foot pole , loll.

Buy your own diamond from website or from ingame players selling them, simple. Stop raging please, tyvm.

I like you Zid. You're that helpful/happy fun troll type.

That out of the way. Here I come with my 10 foot pole

Zeevex was a way for f2p to put their gold investments into. Think of it as a stock. It kept gold flowing through the game instead of it being ended up in some sad man's alt accounts boasting in world chat about having 8-10 billion.

More grown-up: Zeevex is the only form of currency used that does not require personal.information to be provided as a f2p. Sorry, some of us have already paid our dues ($300 I said earlier) and refuse to pay anymore into a spiraling game.
You can. That's your business. Rest of us don't.

Side note: I blame roguespawn for leaving EDH, breaking Mandrakes, causing him wanting to quit and "liquidate," thus resulting in this. WTT divorce for Zeevex.

Quoted from "Ravesden;566403"

And we all know how well off Palenque is compared to the real servers, amirite?


You know, with all that tosh gear in the AH (I couldn't find it, so it must be hidden!) and people selling dias in world? That really populated server that cleared AC?

I'm sorry Fan, but your markets and ours are COMPLETELY different. Comparing the two, using your terminology, is apples to ...is that thing even a fruit?

Fact is, this hurts the f2p. Yeah I've spent maybe $300 on the toon Ravesden, but i haven't in months. Zeevex helped facilitate my needs as an end gamer, and some gear I've sold has been traded for Zeevex in the past. They had the dollars,.I had the item. Win win for both, even FrogForgeWaker.

Besides, NOW how's Whooty gonna sell her gear on Palenque for Zeevex and transfer to Reni? Its a shame i tell ya! Jk. But no. Really. Maybe.

Welcome to the third world.

I know it's gonna hurt.

But in the end, we MAKE IT WORK. We don't have lots of ToSH gear in the AH for two reasons: A) our tank got called up by the Canadian Natl. Guard (yah, I didn't know they existed either til now) and B) ABL's aren't on sale, not because we suffered from a lack of Zeevex.

Get me Horo back (think he comes back today WHEEEE!) and get me ABL's and you'll see our economy pick up.

Look, Palenque has every disadvantage under the sun, you name it we got it- lowest population, worst economy, two or three or four languages- and we STILL freaking manage to get by. We even manage to compete with the big boys in SW.

I know things look bleak, and I do feel for you guys. But the bottom line is, I KNOW you can survive and adapt. Your current Zeevex buyers don't even need to change their habits, they just need to buy the dias themselves and sell them to you.

Look. You all know that I am not, nor have I ever been, a cheerleader for the Powers that Be (FA/FEU/GF whoever). And because we don't have a Zeevex trading thing on Palenque, I don't have a dog in the fight. It won't affect me one way or the other. BUT. This didn't come out of nowhere. It was always in the ToS. And while FA had a habit of looking the other way, we KNEW that GF doesn't look the other way on much at all. They're a big bunch of rule-loving German meanies. *will not break Godwin's... will NOT BREAK GODWIN'S... it hurts *

Cheer up Raves love, this too shall pass.

You'll have adapted to it before you even realize it.

It's an inconvenience, but it won't break your game. You can still be badass and free to play. You just need to talk to your zeevex sellers and turn them into dia sellers again.

Bottom line is this: if us dollar-store knockoff's on Palenque can live and thrive without Zeevex, I know you pro's can do it on Reni, and with more style than we could ever dream of.

<Raves>
palenque <3 reni forever

Still taking your druid.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;566395"

<Darwec>

That... really legitimately stinks.

But you can grind the gold to buy rubies for scrolls, and now would also be a good time to start screeching for permanent backpack gashas again.

That would be the other thing our FtP's did... they spammed those perma gashas like there was no tomorrow, and I am pretty sure all my old guys got them all. I didn't bother to get even one, which shames me now that I am also more or less FtP (and unemployed).

Start a thread and see if maybe we can get Dio to get the EU suits to throw us a few bones.

Kay Normally Fan I agree with everything you post.. but I cannot honestly believe that you are defending the removal of Zeevex trading. Just because it didn't happen on YOUR SERVER doesn't mean that we should all have to deal with it just because you're all used to it. That's like saying "ABL's being removed is fine.. cause the EU people never had them permanent so if they can do it we can too". But you're all pissed about ABLs being removed. (Yes, I am too, just pointing out that the same logic is being used there.)

I'm sorry that YOUR server sucks and doesn't have all the options the other servers do, but that doesn't mean that all the other servers need to be forced into the third world as well.

And.. you keep saying "use rubies". Are you kidding me? Really? Are you? Where do you think those rubies are gonna come from Fan? Where? Nobody gets rubies from anything anymore.

Removing zeevex is a bad, bad, bad idea. Seems like every day I log on there's yet another good reason for me to just quit the game now.

Also, buying diamonds just got a hell of alot more expensive. What I used to do was just save up increments of 10, 20, 30K zeevex, and then spend it all when we got a diamond sale. (Like the 150% a week or two ago.. that was excellent). That would even out to about 25-30ish K a diamond that I would be spending.

Now that I can't do that, I have to hope and pray that I can find a diamond seller when the sales are up, and chances are even if I do find a diamond seller (Which is unlikely), it will be for 40,50,60K/per diamond. Which is just idiotic.

I love you too Ravesden ;-) just trying to understand what happened and tought i made sense there, but i am DISTURBED.

;-)

Quoted from "Ravesden;566409"

I like you Zid. You're that helpful/happy fun troll type.

That out of the way. Here I come with my 10 foot pole

Zeevex was a way for f2p to put their gold investments into. Think of it as a stock. It kept gold flowing through the game instead of it being ended up in some sad man's alt accounts boasting in world chat about having 8-10 billion.

More grown-up: Zeevex is the only form of currency used that does not require personal.information to be provided as a f2p. Sorry, some of us have already paid our dues ($300 I said earlier) and refuse to pay anymore into a spiraling game.
You can. That's your business. Rest of us don't.

Side note: I blame roguespawn for leaving EDH, breaking Mandrakes, causing him wanting to quit and "liquidate," thus resulting in this. WTT divorce for Zeevex.

Quoted from "Borella;566418"

Kay Normally Fan I agree with everything you post.. but I cannot honestly believe that you are defending the removal of Zeevex trading. Just because it didn't happen on YOUR SERVER doesn't mean that we should all have to deal with it just because you're all used to it. That's like saying "ABL's being removed is fine.. cause the EU people never had them permanent so if they can do it we can too". But you're all pissed about ABLs being removed. (Yes, I am too, just pointing out that the same logic is being used there.)

I'm sorry that YOUR server sucks and doesn't have all the options the other servers do, but that doesn't mean that all the other servers need to be forced into the third world as well.

And.. you keep saying "use rubies". Are you kidding me? Really? Are you? Where do you think those rubies are gonna come from Fan? Where? Nobody gets rubies from anything anymore.

Removing zeevex is a bad, bad, bad idea. Seems like every day I log on there's yet another good reason for me to just quit the game now.

I know Bor, I know.

It is unfair, and I do feel somewhat like I've morphed into an EbilHatFrankenmonster.

But I'm obliquely happy about it because it might actually force people to deal with the ABL issue AND the ruby issue. There, I came out and said it.

In this case, your pain might turn into everyone's gain, if we could get our message straight. This could be the tipping point we needed, to get the community unified and all asking for the same things. We need abls, we need plussing stones, we need more and better access to rubies, and being able to trade Zeevex was a bandaid fix that just got ripped off in an ugly and admittedly brutal way.

And I do understand how hard this is for y'all... or at least I think I kinda do. Maybe I don't. My logic may indeed be super-fail here, because I have an agenda, and once I get all agendafied I lose perspective.

I should prolly just shut up now and stop being a meanie.

I don't wanna fight with you guys, cause I wuv u all too much.

Sorry *hides*

At this point i'm probably just gonna play till my backpacks expire.. then quit. That'll be the options left without being able to buy zeevex.

I certainly can't justify spending a dime on this game, even the 20 bucks to get backpack slots.