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Wednesday, September 5th 2012, 12:29pm

Quoted from "GravesGhastly;568292"

I cannot believe everyone says that wardens are so OP. I get my rear end handed to me constantly in SW with pet buffs and everything. Granted Im not an uber warden like Bluntwrap though but I am close.

I was alot better before they changed everything. The best thing they did was the spammable charged chop.

Highly doubt your gear is anywhere near Blunt's. And if you're having trouble in siege-you're not taking advantage of pet buffs+briar+cc+movement restriction.

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Wednesday, September 5th 2012, 8:49pm

Quoted from "GravesGhastly;568292"


I was alot better before they changed everything. The WORST thing they did was the spammable charged chop.


I fixed this quote for you and you are welcome.

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Wednesday, September 5th 2012, 9:38pm

umm graves... your warden/ warrior.... if you gettin ur butt handed to you you dont know how to play your class at all.. you have not one... but two immunes.... ANDDD candy if you need it... you can banish someone for 20 sec.. and you can root them with movement restriction... idk i played wd/s other night in siege, then wd/w past couple nights.. tbh i thought wd/w was better, extra hp, extra def, one more immune, i had fun haha.

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 10:13am

You guys may be right. I was used to playing one way as a tank and now Im really more "DPS" I guess.

And Brogue...why do you think the spammable Charged Chop is the worst?

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 12:18pm

Quoted from "GravesGhastly;568429"

You guys may be right. I was used to playing one way as a tank and now Im really more "DPS" I guess.

And Brogue...why do you think the spammable Charged Chop is the worst?


because he thinks spamming one skill is bad... but actually charged chop does not trigger a GCD so it should be weaved into a dps rotation. this really did make it one of the BEST things that could happen to a wd/x or melee x/wd.

or maybe he just does not like being out dps by a r/wd and w/wd.
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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 7:40pm

As a Warden now, you are more tanky than before and more dpsy than before. Win win in PvP for us.
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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 7:45pm

Quoted from "Cronrs;568434"

because he thinks spamming one skill is bad... but actually charged chop does not trigger a GCD so it should be weaved into a dps rotation. this really did make it one of the BEST things that could happen to a wd/x or melee x/wd.

or maybe he just does not like being out dps by a r/wd and w/wd.


Considering Brogue is one of our top dps, and only warden-type I've seen beat him is Aris (pro noob dps r/s/wd), that last part doesn't hold true.

Charged Chop is OP, Firetruck here on the forums will tell you the same. a ~600% dmg skill with no gcd with no real cooldown is OP. You could make the argument "low blow does that tooo!", but low blow restricted to being 25-30 energy cost in a 100 energy pool (yes, ET lets you virtually spam LB for its duration, but thats also why r/s does so well). Low blow needs ET to be spammable. CC is a standalone, 600% dmg skill that triggers no GCD and is spammable.

Check scrut. On any melee warden, CC will be the #1 used skill, and almost all of that toon's damage will come from CC.

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 7:54pm

Psh, I can beat Roguey too :p.

But anyways, no skill can compare to CC. They are all restricted to GCD. CC isn't, therefore it is OP and will be fixed... Eventually...
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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 7:57pm

ok we get it, CC is op but wardens being able to use pet buffs w/o needing pet up is not really OP its just more efficient than how other classes buff up. If warden tanks needed spirit of the oak out inorder to tank they would all quit. b/c im not gonna be standing around waiting for someone while my oak pulls random pats or the boss.

Weve all heard about how OP cc is but what about wound attack? sure its not spammable and it requires 2 bleeds, but at lvl 72 its dealing 1675.8% dps instantly which is more than double of what chargechop does and it can be used off of other peoples bleeds how come noone complains about how OP this is?

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:05pm

Because it has a 6 second CD? And it requires 35/100 Energy. Lol. CC is basically free. There's no GCD activation. So in reality when calculating CC's damage, it is CC + Skill you are using next. 2 Skills in one, no CD. It's on a whole different level.
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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:13pm

Aris rotation on boss fights = spam CC and WA when its up, as he leeches off the bleeds. So that's 600% spammable attack + WA which can proc for over 1mil dps with one hit. This not just for 15 seconds of a burn, like a r/s, this is for the entire boss fight. When not on his r/wd Aris is still a top dps; on his R/wd he is next to impossible to beat on boss dps. IF I crit like a beast I can beat him but crit is fickle like so many of you woman ;).

W/wd and R/wd = the top dps in game atm, which I don't really have an issue with, but spammable 600% dps skill that can be used pretty much endlessly and no GCD, does not scream balance to me.

Yeah, those that run with me on Reni know I QQ all the time if I am not top dps for a boss fight. Hurts my epeen status :mad:. Also, wtb enlightenment X's....

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:13pm

Quoted from "SeanD123;568529"

ok we get it, CC is op but wardens being able to use pet buffs w/o needing pet up is not really OP its just more efficient than how other classes buff up. If warden tanks needed spirit of the oak out inorder to tank they would all quit. b/c im not gonna be standing around waiting for someone while my oak pulls random pats or the boss.

Weve all heard about how OP cc is but what about wound attack? sure its not spammable and it requires 2 bleeds, but at lvl 72 its dealing 1675.8% dps instantly which is more than double of what chargechop does and it can be used off of other peoples bleeds how come noone complains about how OP this is?


Granted, a fully buffed, premed (guaranteed all 3 hits will crit), bleed leeched Wound Attack is pretty damn OP as an opener...

Wound attack has a 6 second cooldown (because its pretty damn OP otherwise), and energy needs to be managed post-burn phase to have that 35 needed to cast it. So some noob low blow spammer who has 0 energy once WA is up has to wait approx 3 secs (thats 3 hits theyre not hitting) for their energy to fill up, meanwhile, the bosses' hp is going down, which means they've used WA less in that fight which ---->overall dmg/dps reduced.

Check this scenario:

Charged Chop casted every second for 6 seconds---> ~600% dmg per second x 6 seconds = 36,000% dmg
Wound Attack 3 hitting every 6 seconds---> 1,675.8% dmg

See the argument we're making?

Note: Noob drood here, dunno wat im talkin bout

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Quoted from "brogue;568535"



W/wd and R/wd = the top dps in game atm, which I don't really have an issue with, but spammable 600% dps skill that can be used pretty much endlessly, does not scream balance to me.

Nah, its wd/s atm. Its just no one has realized what they can do now.

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:18pm

Quoted from "Ravesden;568536"

Nah, its wd/s atm. Its just no one has realized what they can do now.


Shhh! Don't let my secrets out. Until other people figure this out no one will know about it and I will be super duper OPPPPPP. :D
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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:21pm

Quoted from "mikkehboii;568537"

Shhh! Don't let my secrets out. Until other people figure this out no one will know about it and I will be super duper OPPPPPP. :D

Thought it was Blunt that figured it out? xD

He should be like...a laywer...or something. He reads fine print so well o.o

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:25pm

Quoted from "Ravesden;568539"

Thought it was Blunt that figured it out? xD

He should be like...a laywer...or something. He reads fine print so well o.o


He fell upon it by accident and told me about it. I found out why it happens, how to get it to happen and abuse it :)
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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 8:31pm

shut up you two. Can't have MGK know this. Can we get a GM to remove those comments about wd/s?

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Thursday, September 6th 2012, 9:24pm

Ohhhh sure... i see how it is ><. :P Love u 2

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Friday, September 7th 2012, 1:28am

Quoted from "Ravesden;568525"

Considering Brogue is one of our top dps, and only warden-type I've seen beat him is Aris (pro noob dps r/s/wd), that last part doesn't hold true.

Check scrut. On any melee warden, CC will be the #1 used skill, and almost all of that toon's damage will come from CC.


yep never said it wasnt OP> and i suspect r/wd or w/wd would out dps a r/s by quite a bit if equally geared, especially in a longer fight. I really dont care anymore though, so another class besides r/s gets a chance at top dps. R/S can go start their QQ nerf threads I suppose, but the fact that rw has epicly failed at balances requested by the player base i wouldn't get your hopes up.
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Friday, September 7th 2012, 2:32am

You guys are using wrd as a secondary, of course a r/wrd is going to be on top of the scrut. Try reversing it and see what happens, wrd/r i promise it wont be the same im just saying. O wait you can spend thousands of real life dollars to gear up said wrd/r then you could be the top in dps, then again prolly not. This thread is about wardens not ROGUES please stay on topic TROLLS!!!
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Friday, September 7th 2012, 3:16am

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You guys are using wrd as a secondary, of course a r/wrd is going to be on top of the scrut. Try reversing it and see what happens, wrd/r i promise it wont be the same im just saying. O wait you can spend thousands of real life dollars to gear up said wrd/r then you could be the top in dps, then again prolly not. This thread is about wardens not ROGUES please stay on topic TROLLS!!!


I dont know, Nimble hands is a nice little bonus, I think anything /Wd or Wd/pretty much anything except a certain few like Druid and Mage can be pretty decent if geared as a DPS though not that I'm ragging on Wd/D or Wd/M or anything I hear conglomeration attack is not bad.